[James Hutchins]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

You talk as if you're the only ones who read and study the Bible. I do every day. I'm a preacher, christian counselor, and street evangelist. I am a mouthpiece for the word just like you. But I don't think you understand the doctrine of Grace.

Friend, reading and studying the Bible does not cut it. Reading a AR-15 field manual and studying it will not make it shoot more reliably. You have to actually follow the instructions and do EXACTLY as it describes. See friend, every single True Christian™ not only reads the Holy Bible, we actually do what it says, as God commands. Because of this, we can do no wrong in the eyes of our Lord. The Bible tells us this.



Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

In case you doubt Gods failt in those the are True:
1st John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1st John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1st John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1st John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

1st John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


Finally, if you doubt the veracity of my words, realize God stands with me (and not you):
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

John 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
John 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

1st Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1st Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1st Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1st Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1st Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1st Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1st Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1st Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1st Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1st Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1st Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1st Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1st Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Have a good Godly day, friend!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

You talk as if you're the only ones who read and study the Bible. I do every day. I'm a preacher, christian counselor, and street evangelist. I am a mouthpiece for the word just like you. But I don't think you understand the doctrine of Grace.

With a name like yours I'll bet you're a joo.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

If you wanna meet girls to "date" go to the park. Or a bar. Just about anywhere really. Except Church. I know there are "churches" where fathers don't care much what happens to their daughters. God explains IN THE BIBLE which one's should be killed and usually HOW they should be killed. At this stage in history we anticipate that glorious day when Jesus returns and kills them all wholesale. Since you study The Bible I won't need to provide the reference. The number of people He'll be killing is in the 5 - 10 billion range so you can be certain of many daughters, sons, wives, babies, kindly hindoo grandparents and the like receiving their just desserts.

Okay. I'm rational. I'm open. What makes saying that a bad thing to anyone? Why might someone be offended at this?

You also mentioned something about being "playful" and yes, there are forums where that is the norm. Not so here. If you didn't know, well, you do now. If you are looking for a wife, contact one of the male members at your place of worship.

Christianity is not about being rational. The purpose of this forum is to Praise the Lord.

Hallelujah!

There is something I'm ashamed about, and I'm having trouble not being double minded over it, sometimes thinking at least in a way it's okay, because I don't know why it's wrong other than what the results are and the fact that there's a law against it in the Old Testament.

Although I suspect your "problem" will be more appropriately dealt with in the men's forum nevertheless if you feel unable to tell us what it is there's not much we can do to help you. I'm sure you appreciate this.

You mentioned I John 3:9.

Here it is:

I JOHN 3
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
KJV

I am happy to provide Scripture with appropriate context but in this case not much context is necessary. The words mean what they say. Certain theological books suggest otherwise but The Bible is always clear. Verse 9 makes it certain that Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin. It doesn't specify a list of sinful behaviours. Behaviours either done or not done. If you have been born of God you do not commit sin. God also explains why. What's so difficult about that?

If you're puzzled by the pronouns I'm sure our Pastoral Team will explain Greek cases to you.

I JOHN
II JOHN
III JOHN

III John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. KJV

Welcome to the forum Mr Helper, I trust you will be richly blessed.

PS - have you posted your introduction yet?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

The post you want me to read doesn't describe me. I don't know what a fringe or extremeist is, and I think you've "flamed" me. I certainly didn't deserve your accusations. I'm a grown man. I'm not yakking. I'm talking in a mature manor. I didn't ask whether you were serious about what you said, I did however present Scripture arguments defending what I believe. All you've managed to do is give me bad points for being bad. Satan is the accuser of the bretheren, and you've accused me of a lot of things so far, that simply aren't true. Jesus preached grace. Grace. While I was very open to this site before, now I see that the people of this church want to give me holiness by way of shaming and belittling until I suppose that would make any man lowly in spirit through manipulation, but what if the beradement stops? Then the man is left without a relationship with God. That's not humbleness. Humbleness comes from within, not from without with people giving shame. Humbleness comes from choices that a man makes to have faith in and love God.

I realise that whining and playing the victim is second nature to an atheist but you really don't need to go so out of your way to persecute us.

Why does the thought of God hating you trouble you so much? Is it because deep down you know you are a pathetic, unsaved wretch, born in sin and unsaved?

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

You talk as if you're the only ones who read and study the Bible. I do every day. I'm a preacher, christian counselor, and street evangelist. I am a mouthpiece for the word just like you. But I don't think you understand the doctrine of Grace.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

The post you want me to read doesn't describe me. I don't know what a fringe or extremeist is, and I think you've "flamed" me. I certainly didn't deserve your accusations. I'm a grown man. I'm not yakking. I'm talking in a mature manor. I didn't ask whether you were serious about what you said, I did however present Scripture arguments defending what I believe. All you've managed to do is give me bad points for being bad. Satan is the accuser of the bretheren, and you've accused me of a lot of things so far, that simply aren't true. Jesus preached grace. Grace. While I was very open to this site before, now I see that the people of this church want to give me holiness by way of shaming and belittling until I suppose that would make any man lowly in spirit through manipulation, but what if the beradement stops? Then the man is left without a relationship with God. That's not humbleness. Humbleness comes from within, not from without with people giving shame. Humbleness comes from choices that a man makes to have faith in and love God.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

It's hard to feel comfortable telling you, because I feel like you guys would pounce on me instead of help. Like none of you would even try to counsel me, just riticule me.

Our tough love on Jesus' behalf is often mistaken for ridicule by the unsaved. What you need to realise is we are merely a mouthpiece for His word and anything we tell you is correct according to the Holy Bible. If you don't like this then you really need to take it up with God.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

It's hard to feel comfortable telling you, because I feel like you guys would pounce on me instead of help. Like none of you would even try to counsel me, just riticule me.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

It's hard to feel comfortable telling you, because I feel like you guys would pounce on me instead of help. Like none of you would even try to counsel me, just riticule me.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

No, I'm not gay.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

For clarity for the mods on this site I'm saying this is in response to the second infraction I recieved. From the lips of Jesus using KJV Matthew 5:22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." Raca defined according to Strong's Greek: empty, foolish, which is what I was called in the infraction.

[John Creeser]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

There is something I'm ashamed about, and I'm having trouble not being double minded over it, sometimes thinking at least in a way it's okay, because I don't know why it's wrong other than what the results are and the fact that there's a law against it in the Old Testament.

Perhaps these are the verses you are referring to?

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

There is something I'm ashamed about, and I'm having trouble not being double minded over it, sometimes thinking at least in a way it's okay, because I don't know why it's wrong other than what the results are and the fact that there's a law against it in the Old Testament.

Post the Old Testament law.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

There is something I'm ashamed about, and I'm having trouble not being double minded over it, sometimes thinking at least in a way it's okay, because I don't know why it's wrong other than what the results are and the fact that there's a law against it in the Old Testament.

[GoldHelper]

Re: I'm an atheist, but very open minded, and want to find God.

The first reply was before I read your reasoning for the points against me, the second was the response to your post, because I couldn't respond directly to you, I had to post it here.