[Levi Jones]

Re: Love

Not to use the Bible out of context

Since you are claiming the context argument, it is your responsibility to show us how we are taking the scriptures out of context and to show the proper context for their use.

Your original post asked, "would Jesus speak the way you do?" The answer to that is a resounding yes. Yes Jesus would and did speak to people very harshly.

"DOGS" Matt. 7:6 Jesus said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs" (see also 2 Peter 2:20-22, Rev. 22:15)
"SWINE" Matt. 7:6 "...neither cast your pearls before swine"
"VIPERS" Matt. 3:7 "O generation of vipers..." (see also Matt. 12:34, 23:33 and Luke 3:7)
"HYPOCRITES" Matt.6:2 "...as the hypocrites in the synagogues..." (see also Matt.6:5, 16, 15:7, 16:3, 22:18, 23:13-15, 29, 24:51, Mark 7:6, Luke 11:44, 12:56)
"CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL" John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil..." (see also Acts 13:10)
"PERVERSE" Mat. 17:17"...O faithless and perverse generation" (see also Luke 9:41, Acts 20:30, Phil. 2:15, 1Tim. 6:5)
"REPROBATE" 2Cor 13:5-7 "...except ye be reprobates" (see also Rom 1:28, 2Tim. 3:8, Tit. 1:16)
"HEATHEN" Mat. 6:7 "...as the heathen do" (see also Mat.18:17, Act 4:25, 2Cor. 11:26, Gal. 1:16, 2:9, 3:8)
"FOOLS" Mat. 23:17 "...Ye fools and blind" (see also Luke 12:20, 1Cor.15:36, Mat.23:19, Luke 11:40, 24:25, Eph. 5:15)
"WICKED AND ADULTEROUS" Mat. 16:4 "A wicked and adulterous generation" (see also Mat. 12:45, 13:49, 18:32, 21:41, 25:26, Luke 19:22, 1Cor. 5:13, 2Thes. 3:2, 2Pet. 2:7, 3:17)
"O YE OF LITTLE FAITH" (Christ's favorite name for His apostles!) Mat.6:30, 8:26, 14:31, etc., etc., etc.

Jesus also said that if people do not repent they will perish for eternity. Does that sound particularly nice? Does that sound like the Jesus you invented in your head and NOT the one from the Bible?

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Love

God showers us with just the correct amount of Love. Any more and man would become complacent, any less and people would be sad. So you see, it is a very fine line and only Jesus can walk it.

That was very encouraging Mr Hutchins. When left to my own devices I never get it just right and there is mania, sloth and grief. The degree of unhappiness is always blown out of proportion by fallen souls, stumbling in darkness. Doctors for example have us parroting their mumbojumbo, obsessive compulsive disorders, depressions, anxieties, mental illnesses where in reality the Christian knows these are demons, urgent to fill the void with teeming horror.

Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
KJV

One of those evils is obsession with genitalia and desire for copulation with anything quick. Still in Genesis, I noticed that the last thing before the historical account of God's punishment by mass drowning and the first thing mentioned after it was sex and madness.

IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE FLOOD

Genesis 6:2,4 ..the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
KJV

IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FLOOD

Genesis 9:20-22,24 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without..And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
KJV

The joy we know in Him is made possible by Jesus' Perfect Sacrifice and by God's intervention in the world He's made, on our behalf. That is necessary because according to our own understanding we could never discern the path to true happiness. I know that as an unsaved wretch I misunderstood what happiness was, seeking the immediate thrill rather than anything which would endure. Imagine the reaction of a parent to a child's death. The sudden onset of despair, the cloying mantle of grief and although these things will endure they cannot really be described as joy. Such is life for those who reject Christ.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
KJV

When God delivered the Israelites from bondage under pharaoh He led them into fulfilment. Throughout history we see these once chosen people as a sort of glorious barometer, showing us the unfolding of God's Plan For Salvation and assuring us of His never-ending Love (for us); just as surely as He led those (often ungrateful and complaining) people into The Promised Land so He undertakes to deliver us into everlasting Paradise.

The atheist has no such promise. Oh, they believe in God alright and know what He has prepared for them. Is that why they "obsess" over the death of infants Mr Hutchins? When Joshua considered Jericho he was confident and secure in God's Love. That wicked city knew all about God just as today's atheist knows all about God and both acknowledge what He has in store for them. Persisting in the darkness of barbaric evil is more important to these fools than anything that should happen to their children as a result.

JOSHUA 2
1 And Joshua the son of Nun sent out of Shittim two men to spy secretly, saying, Go view the land, even Jericho. And they went, and came into an harlot's house, named Rahab, and lodged there..

9–11 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you. For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed. And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath..

23–24 So the two men returned, and descended from the mountain, and passed over, and came to Joshua the son of Nun, and told him all things that befell them: And they said unto Joshua, Truly the LORD hath delivered into our hands all the land; for even all the inhabitants of the country do faint because of us.
KJV . whole chapter here

Jesus is God. In John's Gospel it is explained how Jesus created the universe and the extent of His Love is revealed as He is whipped and mocked. Jesus is not some other god. Jesus is this God. Joshua knew that deliverance was within His ken and stepped forward boldly in Glory where the atheist would cower in grief.

JESUS IS THIS GOD

JOSHUA 6
1–2a Now Jericho was straitly shut up because of the children of Israel: none went out, and none came in. And the LORD said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho..

10 And Joshua had commanded the people, saying, Ye shall not shout, nor make any noise with your voice, neither shall any word proceed out of your mouth, until the day I bid you shout; then shall ye shout..
13 And seven priests bearing seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD went on continually, and blew with the trumpets: and the armed men went before them; but the rereward came after the ark of the LORD, the priests going on, and blowing with the trumpets...

15 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times..
20–21 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword..

27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.
KJV . whole chapter here

When we recall how Jesus delivers us from sin and hopelessness we are reminded of His Majesty throughout the ages. For the wretched secularist God's Love is misunderstood as grief and sorrow. To the heathen mind a place like Jericho with all its murdered children, the thousands of chopped up mothers and the reeking fumes of incineration is just that: murder. It's all they will ever see. Without Christ in their lives the beauty of God's deliverance is invisible, the fulfilment of His Promises obscured. All they see is hate. Christians on the other hand have The Mind Of God and see in Jericho His Perfect Love and our certain hope for the future.

Proverbs 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
KJV

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[James Hutchins]

Re: Love

Mr. Ezekiel: Please refer to the OP, my message is one of love. It seems you quoted enough scripture to make my point concerning my SN. Read the full context of each of the scriptures you provided. Research the translations and ask God to guide you. Practice biblical discernment (Thess. 5:21-22) I don't blame any of you for testing me as you have. May God bless all of you and forgive you and myself for our transgressions. God will not abandon you, but satan will not give up his onslaught, therefore be cautious and question any man who leads you.

God showers us with just the correct amount of Love. Any more and man would become complacent, any less and people would be sad. So you see, it is a very fine line and only Jesus can walk it.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Love

If love is not the core of ALL your thoughts and words for any and all, saved and unsaved, Jew or Gentile, then you are not doing your best to emmulate the Living Gospel, Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was sent by Our Father in Heaven to show us the True way and to die for our sins. If you could not imagine Jesus acting or speaking the words you do, then pray and read the Bible. I say this as guidance that I, myself, follow not as a demand from a high horse. Pride can be a tricky tool of Satan that pits brethen against eachother!

Please tell Satan to BE GONE and ask God to guide you if you do choose to respond to my post. There is alot of hate and judement on here and not enough love and offer of earnest sincere prayer.

Hello Mr Judge. First time I've seen an introduction beginning with "If.."

Rather than commenting on your remarks so far perhaps I could ask you then: Which people are we supposed to hate?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Love

Welcome to the forum, Herman. You still haven't told us what denomination you're with or how you came to find Jesus.

It seems you quoted enough scripture to make my point concerning my SN. Read the full context of each of the scriptures you provided. Research the translations and ask God to guide you. Practice biblical discernment (Thess. 5:21-22). Satan will not give up his onslaught, therefore be cautious and question any man who leads you.

But I don't continue to reply because I want to "win" or "lose", only to share the Gospel that the Living Word, Jesus Christ did. That is our duty. Not to use the Bible out of context to support our own radical ideas of hate and violence.

Twice now you have brought up the "context argument" to defend your position. I would encourage you to read in context those verses that Pastor Zeke mentioned. Let's take the first verse on his list, Lev 19:15, and put it in context.

Lev 19
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the Lord your God am holy.
3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the Lord your God.
4 Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the Lord your God.
5 And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the Lord, ye shall offer it at your own will.
6 It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
7 And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted.
8 Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the Lord: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.
11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.
13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the Lord.
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the Lord.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
20 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.
21 And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering.
22 And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him.
23 And when ye shall come into the land, and shall have planted all manner of trees for food, then ye shall count the fruit thereof as uncircumcised: three years shall it be as uncircumcised unto you: it shall not be eaten of.
24 But in the fourth year all the fruit thereof shall be holy to praise the Lord withal.
25 And in the fifth year shall ye eat of the fruit thereof, that it may yield unto you the increase thereof: I am the Lord your God.
26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.
27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.
30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.
31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.
32 Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am the Lord.
33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
35 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure.
36 Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have: I am the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt.
37 Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: I am the Lord.

I posted the whole chapter because you keep bringing up the "context defence." So here it is -- Lev 19:15 in context. Now please show us how the context supports your position. The burden of proof is on you. Verse 17 is especially important. You may think you are showing love by not judging. But if your neighbor sins, you must rebuke him. Failure to do so means that you hate him in your heart.

1 Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

I find it very ironic that you are so keen on the "context defence" yet feel free to pull Mat 7:1 out of context

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

when the very next verse reads:

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

You tell us to question any man who leads us. I hope that was not a dig at Pastor Zeke. God commands us to submit to the church leadership.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

God has also put checks and balances in place so that an office bearer's reputation cannot be ruined by the word of just one nut job.

1 Tim 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

[NoManCanJudge]

Re: Love

I will do you the respect of watching the video you sent me, if it truly comes from a place of love and a desire to save me for God, in your eyes. But I don't continue to reply because I want to "win" or "lose", only to share the Gospel that the Living Word, Jesus Christ did. That is our duty. Not to use the Bible out of context to support our own radical ideas of hate and violence. I humble myself and hypothetically wash your feet with love AND earnestly will pray for you and I would be honored and blessed if you would do the same for me. Praise be to God in Heaven on His Throne forever and ever. Amen

[dr wayne kerr]

Re: Love

Mr. Ezekiel: Please refer to the OP, my message is one of love. It seems you quoted enough scripture to make my point concerning my SN. Read the full context of each of the scriptures you provided. Research the translations and ask God to guide you. Practice biblical discernment (Thess. 5:21-22) I don't blame any of you for testing me as you have. May God bless all of you and forgive you and myself for our transgressions. God will not abandon you, but satan will not give up his onslaught, therefore be cautious and question any man who leads you.

ok Frodo enough of the subtly.

you seem to be an agent of the anti-christ or a sub breed of eskimo lusting for seal blubber.

we have tried to reason with you but you just dont quit do you.

YOU are a GUEST in this house and within 1/2 a day have managed to upset many fellow members just to try and prove a point.

still hasnt worked in your favor now has it?.

next you will be loving all abominations be it gay, heathen and anal bleacher alike.

Devils agent be gone!
keep your hippy fantasies and explain them to the proper hippy channels.

[Russell Holbeck]

Re: Love

Hello NoManCanJudge. I read all of the verses that Billy Bob Jenkins and Pastor Ezekiel posted for you. I do not think your name is accurate. They are very nice people here so you should ask them to change your name.

Thank you.

Rusty

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Love

Mr. Ezekiel: Please refer to the OP, my message is one of love. It seems you quoted enough scripture to make my point concerning my SN. Read the full context of each of the scriptures you provided. Research the translations and ask God to guide you. Practice biblical discernment (Thess. 5:21-22) I don't blame any of you for testing me as you have. May God bless all of you and forgive you and myself for our transgressions. God will not abandon you, but satan will not give up his onslaught, therefore be cautious and question any man who leads you.

Do you know what Jesus means by "love?"

Rom. 9:22-24: [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

[NoManCanJudge]

Re: Love

Mr. Ezekiel: Please refer to the OP, my message is one of love. It seems you quoted enough scripture to make my point concerning my SN. Read the full context of each of the scriptures you provided. Research the translations and ask God to guide you. Practice biblical discernment (Thess. 5:21-22) I don't blame any of you for testing me as you have. May God bless all of you and forgive you and myself for our transgressions. God will not abandon you, but satan will not give up his onslaught, therefore be cautious and question any man who leads you.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Love

Dear Heathen Fool;

Here's the problem: Man CAN judge. In fact, God commands the righteous to judge others. If you had studied the Holy Word of God like I have, you would know that.

Leviticus 19:15
In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1 Corinthians 6:2-3
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

1 Tim 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

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YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

[NoManCanJudge]

Re: Love

Mr. King: It is only pride that makes you think I am "non-judgementally judging" you. Say, Be Gone, satan! It really does work! Once you feel God's love embracing you and encouraging you, that will be the time you weep and feel unworthy and repent a hundred times over. I reply because it is my duty.

[NoManCanJudge]

Re: Love

Mr. King: Christianity's intent is not to entertain, but to save. Judge not, that ye be not judged. God is Judge Himself.

[Nobar King]

Re: Love

Don't you have some family who you can bother with your non-judgmental judgment? Or, have you bored them all to death, already?

[NoManCanJudge]

Re: Love

I don't seek glory or approval from any man. God willing, my reward is in Heaven. I have no way of knowing who is a "senior member" and who isn't, though website status is a frivolous matter, I stumbled across this site by chance and felt it my duty to express love and quote scripture in the prescence of hate and judgement that I only see as confusion of the Word. Please don't let pride get in the way, it is a powerful tool of satan that pits brethren against eachother. I TRULY believe NOT judging others, but loving them and praying for them is the core of Christianity.