[The_Reasoner]

Re: Introduction

Either karma is real or it isn't. Either reincarnation is true or it isn't. Which view is right and how do you know?



So hindu religious ceremonies and beliefs are just a trick of the mind.

It's similar to saying, whether God exists or not. Which view is right, and how do you know (Just using an analogy here. No offense meant) It's a matter of belief. If you don't want to believe it's upto you.
Er.. I was explaining they have more sides to them than just spiritual. Doesn't confessing your sin calm you mind down, lessening the guilt? Just because it affects mind as well does not mean it is entirely related to mind only.

[Adam Fag]

Re: Introduction

Glad to hear that, sir. I'd like to know more about the religion, that's why I joined the forum. If you want me ask about anything you've heard about Hindu religion, which makes you feel that It is questionable, I'll gladly discuss with you. Feel free to ask me any time.
(I'm not saying you should follow it, it's entirely your decision. But no one can deny it has some interesting principles. If you have free time, you can give it a try, assuming it'll not hurt your religious feelings. I'd say you should try, because maybe you are going from what you have heard and condemn it for being bad without understanding it. Maybe the two books say similar things. If it won't burden your conscience, you may go through the basics and Bombard me with anything you find objectionable. If you find it good, you can share with others, if not, God will forgive he, won't he? I mean, you were just trying to see if the religion is against the God really or not, if it's not, it'll clear your anger against it away, and if it is, you can beg God for forgiveness as I heard you do, which will redouble your faith in Christianity as well.)

Romans 6:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

I don't think we need to beg God, that's done for us. Just tell him what you want. I don't see your art as "false gods" - they don't show men or beasts do they? Just weird things like apes with 8 arms and stuff.

Exodus 20 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

There are no apes with 8 arms in heaven or earth or in the water are there? If I've got that wrong though, I'm sure I'll get a tip off one of the guys or gals here. They're kind (in their own way). Odd. But kind.

What do you think of space?
You've sent out a Moon craft.

[The_Reasoner]

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God's rules are in the Bible, friend. Why God wouldn't even show Himself to Moses face to face and just showed him His back parts. Are you trying to tell us that He was embarrassed to do so because He was a monkey?

I can't believe how offensive you heathens are.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Offensive? You are the one who called God Gay, and I am the offensive one? So you are saying that God should follow Bible as well? He is the maker of rules, rules don't make him. And it is not necessary that he should appear in the same for before moses. Also, are you saying that Monkeys were not created by God? Why would he be ashamed to take form of his own creation?

[The_Reasoner]

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Please note that Adam Fag is a totally unreliable woo woo follower who believes Jesus was an alien in a flying saucer or some such new age drivel. He says different things depending on how much crack he has smoked today. He really will lead you up the garden path and tell you the lies he thinks you want to hear.



Now we get down to it. You want to get us to like you so we'll follow you and worship your gay monkey gods or elephant gods or whatever and stop eating beef! Well we know your game, dot head!

Get out!

You, sir need some serious treatment. If you read my whole reply, I have stated about three times that I do not want you to do this if this is against your religious beliefs. If you don't want to do it, it's not like I am going to come out the screen and make you do it. Stop seeing "plan" when their isn't one. That is called as paranoia.
Not like I care if you follow my religion or not. Hindu religion is known for not spreading itself, specially by means of force. Those who like it come by themselves and join.
I have said again and again that I was interested in views and teachings of Christians. That is what I am trying to discuss. Quit trolling.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Introduction

Some people believe in karma, some don't.

Either karma is real or it isn't. Either reincarnation is true or it isn't. Which view is right and how do you know?

If I were to speak in psychiatric way, it works on the mind on the same way a confession does. Clearing away any little guilt you had about the crimes you may have forgotten. If you try any one of the two, sir, I can assure you that you will feel similar calming, energizing effect.

So hindu religious ceremonies and beliefs are just a trick of the mind.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Please stop being aggressive and disrespectful for no reason. So you are saying God has no right to appear in the form which you do not like? I'd remind you that he created the world. Those are his own rules. He can appear in any form he'd like to. Who are we to put restriction on that?

God's rules are in the Bible, friend. Why God wouldn't even show Himself to Moses face to face and just showed him His back parts. Are you trying to tell us that He was embarrassed to do so because He was a monkey?

I can't believe how offensive you heathens are.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

[The_Reasoner]

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Oh dear!

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

So you prefer an obviously gay monkey god to Jesus?

Please stop being aggressive and disrespectful for no reason. So you are saying God has no right to appear in the form which you do not like? I'd remind you that he created the world. Those are his own rules. He can appear in any form he'd like to. Who are we to put restriction on that?
Lastly, your comments are becoming insulting. "Obviously Gay"? Do you even know what he stands for? He is the God of Bramhacharya, that means the men who worship him follow a strict lifestyle, and have sex for recreational purposes only. Exactly what has been discussed in some of your own threads. You have no right to insult something which you do not know. Do I need to remind you that some anti christians make similar accusations about Jesus? You are saying they will rot in hell and you will not for the same thing? At least, as God's true followers, learn to be respectful to each other. I am sure no God will ever tell his follower to be rude and insulting. I am not here to spread hatred, sir, please keep that in mind.

[The_Reasoner]

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So do you believe in karma, that if something bad happens to someone, they deserve it? Do you believe if a woman is raped, she's to blame? Many of your fellow hindus do.



How can you say you haven't committed any sins? Are you better than the millions of your fellow hindus who go through the meaningless ceremony of washing themselves in the River Ganges?

I've never given Karma a specific thought till now. Some people believe in karma, some don't. But I believe one thing which has been told. "Do your work right, for the sake of doing it as it should be done, not for the sake of any materialistic benefit it will bring you" That means, you shouldn't do something good because it will stack up good karma and help you in future. You should do it because it is meant to be done in the correct way.
Now, I've tried my best till now to follow this, and I can say without doubt that my conscious is clear. I have not commited any sin deliberately (To be frank, I never have been in contact with the 'sin' stuff. I am pretty much an average scholar who just kept doing his things regular)
Now, that does not make me any better than my fellow Hindus. Why? Is it because they have gone through the holy dip in water of Ganga river? No. Because most of them try to follow their principles as well.
The wash, as you call it, is meant for washing away the sins you may have committed unconsciously, or minor ones which you forgot. You go in the river, feel the water rushing about you, and pray your sins to be washed away by the flow.
If I were to speak in psychiatric way, it works on the mind on the same way a confession does. Clearing away any little guilt you had about the crimes you may have forgotten. If you try any one of the two, sir, I can assure you that you will feel similar calming, energizing effect.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Glad to hear that, sir. I'd like to know more about the religion, that's why I joined the forum.

Please note that Adam Fag is a totally unreliable woo woo follower who believes Jesus was an alien in a flying saucer or some such new age drivel. He says different things depending on how much crack he has smoked today. He really will lead you up the garden path and tell you the lies he thinks you want to hear.

If you want me ask about anything you've heard about Hindu religion, which makes you feel that It is questionable, I'll gladly discuss with you.

Now we get down to it. You want to get us to like you so we'll follow you and worship your gay monkey gods or elephant gods or whatever and stop eating beef! Well we know your game, dot head!

Get out!

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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This is a Christian site for the sole purpose of praising God.

Not a site for drumming up trade for heathen demons

YIC

[Thomas Taylor]

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Both the things said by me are true. How does that make me a liar, or deceiver? Stop accusing wrongly. Of course I believe in them. It is said that all Gods are equal, or to be more accurate, one and the same. Why shouldn't God appear in any form he likes? I mean, for someone who created the universe, he should be able to take any shape, right?

You are a liar - you said you believe in God. As a Hindoo you believe in 15, one of them is a monkey. How sick and twisted is that

We, as Christians, believe in One True God. Not 15.

Accept the One True Christian God into your heart or you will be going straight to Hell.

[The_Reasoner]

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Hi Reas.

It's cool to see you know God in your own way. And as long as you don't dis him and do what feels right you'll get the thumbs up from our book, too. When Luke and Mark heard there was a man on his own path (as they saw it) to serve God and spoke out, they were calmed with these words from the Lord

Luke 9 "we forbad him, because he followeth not with us." 50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

It's good to see you here on the board. I'm sure you'll have much to teach us and you can learn from us too. Is Christ like an avatar of Vishnu? Then you'd be not against him. That makes sense to me. Here's how Mark puts it.

Mark 9 Jesus said 40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

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Glad to hear that, sir. I'd like to know more about the religion, that's why I joined the forum. If you want me ask about anything you've heard about Hindu religion, which makes you feel that It is questionable, I'll gladly discuss with you. Feel free to ask me any time.
(I'm not saying you should follow it, it's entirely your decision. But no one can deny it has some interesting principles. If you have free time, you can give it a try, assuming it'll not hurt your religious feelings. I'd say you should try, because maybe you are going from what you have heard and condemn it for being bad without understanding it. Maybe the two books say similar things. If it won't burden your conscience, you may go through the basics and Bombard me with anything you find objectionable. If you find it good, you can share with others, if not, God will forgive he, won't he? I mean, you were just trying to see if the religion is against the God really or not, if it's not, it'll clear your anger against it away, and if it is, you can beg God for forgiveness as I heard you do, which will redouble your faith in Christianity as well.)

[Redeemed Papist]

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I am a Hindu, sir. I believe in God

Oh dear!

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

So you prefer an obviously gay monkey god to Jesus?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Introduction

Well, maybe it's not God of the Bible......What I am trying to say is, I already am living in a way God has told, and I already have saviour. Why should I go to hell for that?

If it is not the god of the Bible or God as I like to call Him the Bible says you will go to Hell.

That you do not understand does not matter. I personally can't figure out why God hates the gaywise. But hate them he does and He commands that they be killed if allowed by the secular law. As a Christian that is my position too. I don't need to understand God, I just need to obey Him.

Do you see now?

YIC

[Pim Pendergast]

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Partly. I read up a bit about what it says, and I chose to follow it willingly afterwards.

So do you believe in karma, that if something bad happens to someone, they deserve it? Do you believe if a woman is raped, she's to blame? Many of your fellow hindus do.

This week marked the start of the Kumbh Mela, a religious festival held once every 12 years, during which 100m pilgrims led by monks in silver chariots and naked holy men wielding tridents will plunge into the River Ganges at Allahabad to cleanse their sins.

These exuberant ceremonies, however, coincide with agonised introspection among middle-class Indians about the darker side of the country’s ancient cultures.

The trigger for this soul-searching was the gang-rape and murder of a physiotherapy student who boarded a bus with a male friend one December evening in Delhi. The brutality of this crime and, above all, the bizarre reactions of some religious and political leaders to it, have exposed contradictions between old-fashioned beliefs about women and life in a modern city.

Asaram Bapu, a 73-year-old spiritual guru known as a “godman”, particularly incensed Delhi’s liberals with his suggestion the victim was as guilty as the rapists and should have invoked the name of God and appealed to them as her “religious brothers” to stop attacking her and eviscerating her with an iron bar. Mr Asaram, a former bicycle mechanic who sports an unkempt beard and has built a business empire, later apologised and said his remarks were “taken out of context”.

Even if Mr Asaram is dismissed as an eccentric, the same cannot be said of Mohan Bhagwat, head of the powerful Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (Organisation of National Volunteers), a religious group seen as the parent of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata party. Mr Bhagwat said (inaccurately) that such crimes were common in “India” – that is, the modern, urban parts of the country poisoned by western culture – but not in “Bharat”, the villages and rural areas. Far from being modernised, he said, attitudes to women should be “revisited in the context of ancient Indian values”.

Ramachandra Guha, the Bangalore-based historian who says he was brought up in a home of broad-minded Hindus, notes that all but one of the correspondents who send him “Hindutva hate mail” are men.

His occasional articles on Hindu fundamentalism, he writes in his new book Patriots and Partisans, “have brought me into contact with a certain kind of Indian who gets up before dawn, has a glass of cow’s milk, prays to the sun god, and begins scanning cyber space for that day’s secular heresies”.

How can you say you haven't committed any sins? Are you better than the millions of your fellow hindus who go through the meaningless ceremony of washing themselves in the River Ganges?