[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

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And to answer your question: No, I wouldn't harm a baby. I respect life, it is holy to me. Life isn't something to be thrown away like trash. Even if it were older than my believe, I wouldn't, because I wouldn't feel good with it.

How can we know that you're not lying?

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

According to God's Word you are a deceiver and an antichrist. Why should we believe a word you say?

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

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By the way, sorry for the harsh answer I gave to Mr. Much. I was driven by emotions.

Mr. Much, I didn't say anything harmful to you to cause such a reaction. I feel offended by you and I think it is not your right to judge about me nor about my believes. I would prefer, if we just stop talking to each other, so we can avoid more anger. Thank you.

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

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It is hard to explain, Mrs Etheldreda, why I believe in that, especially since my English isnt the best. Here isn't someone, who could translate some German into proper English? I'm pretty sure you know that feeling, when you think about Jesus Christ? Or about God? It's the same feeling I have towards the Goddess.
And I don't believe it because it's old, but because I feel, that this is the right thing for me. Because my lifestory makes perfect sense this way. Because I feel love towards myself and everything around me and because I feel, that everything is perfect like this. It is a lot about feelings, but as I said, I feel good and right like this. Just as you do with your Saviour Jesus Christ.

And to answer your question: No, I wouldn't harm a baby. I respect life, it is holy to me. Life isn't something to be thrown away like trash. Even if it were older than my believe, I wouldn't, because I wouldn't feel good with it.

You know, sometimes I just sit there with my friends, drinking a hot cup of tea and talking about how you could heal a cold or headache, or help your children if they are sick. Sometimes we dance and listen to music, or pray to our goddess. And sometimes we cook together or make some pies, while talking about some tricks and spells to make the day easier and to make some stress go away or we try to see the future, just to get a hint what we are doing wrong and what we should change.
Wiccas aren't such a big thing as you might think.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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That reincarnation and the Goddess are beliefs which are very, very old and already existed thousands of years before Christianity, mostly by the celtics.

So this is why you believe them? Because they are very, very old beliefs?

You don't mind having no evidence for your beliefs? What if you found an older belief, say, sacrificing babies, would you adopt that one because it's older than your very, very old one?

For the record, my beliefs are rooted in the beginning of Time. The first man created knew and loved the LORD (Genesis 3:8-10).

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

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Sorry, Mr. Much, that isn't even worth an answer. Seriously, come back, when you have grown up a bit and are able to have a serious conversation, I think this is a forum for people 13+.

[Didymus Much]

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...isn't it stupid to think that everything just came from nothing?...

Yes, and you're showing your ignorance by thinking that the problem in question can even be phrased that way.

...How did our heart stop beating?...

Study medicine and find out. Oh, wait, that's "hard" and requires "facts" when it's so much easier to bury our heads in our butts because it's all warm and gooshy and make the mean old world go away now please.

...Who are we?...

I'm me and you're you. As the kids say, herp derp?

...Why can we even think about this?...

Study philosophy and medicine and find out. Oh, wait, that's "hard" and requires... just see the above answer.

...So I think, there is some of this Spirit inside of us, our eternal soul...

Unless you're ginger...

...When we die, our bodies die and that soul moves on and gets reborn in another body...

And then the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus do the hokey-pokey and they turns themselves about...

...Actually, there are souls who can't handle their death and become ghosts...

No ghosts in the Bible. Prepare to be mocked from two sides.

...Sometimes there were even cases, when people had an accident and fell into coma. As they woke up again, they were totally different persons, speaking another language, having different names, ect...

So instead of investigating this strange (and curiously void of any supporting references aside from the National Enquirer, according to Google) phenomenon, you are more than willing to ascribe it to supernatural causes:

...I think it could be possible that one of those scared and lost souls took over them in a moment when they were weak...

"Hey, this is MY coma victim. Go find your own. Damn squatters"

...But usually the souls get into newborn babies and start a new life...

And where are all these new souls coming from? The population of the Earth is increasing. Is there a "soul tree" somewhere?

...not remembering any of what happened in their old life. Only very powerful Wiccas con-artists can see some very rare moments or ideas of their former life...

Anyone want to bet that they were ALL Cleopatra?

...And no, this has nothing to do with fear of death...

Your denial of its existence speaks otherwise.

... I'm sorry to see you so disillusioned and bitter, Mr. Much...

Disillusioned? I'll take that as a compliment here, because I'm not the one desperately grasping to illusions to give my life meaning.

...I hope this good christians...

The fact you think they exist reveals more of your ignorance. Have you ever read the Bible?

...will help you find some love and faith in life.

Got love, thanks. Faith? Belief in that which cannot be shown to exist, let alone proven? Why the heck would I want that?

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

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Glory!

I appreciate your willing to get me to your saviour. But you see, maybe I have a lack of strength that you seem to own. Maybe I am a weak person, but I couldn't bear this life if I couldn't be happy or honest with myself. I can't be a strong person as you are and, let's be honest, even your bible tells us, that only very rare get into heaven.

That reincarnation and the Goddess are beliefs which are very, very old and already existed thousands of years before Christianity, mostly by the celtics.
In fact, our religions have more in common than you actually think.

Let's take an example. On 25th of december, when Jesus Christ was born by a virgin, the lightest north star led 3 kings to his birth place. It is also known, that Jesus Christ died on the cross and got resurrected 3 days later. That is for your religion.

Wiccas also celebrate the 25th of december, but because of the midwinter. On that time, the lightest star in the sky is the "Sirius" and is part of the star sign "the three kings". On the next day, when the sun is rising, it is directly under the star sign "the virgin", so it looks like the new sun gets born by the virgin.
Also at the midwinter, the sun will stop to rise later at the evening and it will be the same for 3 days, which is called "the death of the sun". after that 3 days, the sun starts to rise earlier again and shine more brightly than before.
In fact, in that old believes Jesus Christ is a metapher for the sun, since both are called "the light of the world".
I don't want to weaken you in your believe, since I actually admire your faith and I think, I couldnt do so, even if I wanted to . But if you are interested in such things, this theory is actually very interesting.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I respect all of your opinions

Did you mean to say you respect the fact that we all have opinions, dear? Because frankly, if you respected our opinions, you'd be on your knees before Christ right now, begging Him for mercy, and confessing the fact that you are naught but a wasted flesh-bag of mostly water, taking up resources from this earth and pushing your pagan ways on others by trying to make them look respectable.

and yes, Mrs Etheldreda (a beautiful name, by the way) I would like to answer your questions. It is true, not all Wiccas believe the same thing, but I prefer on believing in what my heart says is right.

But there is no way for you to know if what your heart "says" is morally correct or not, is that right? You could be like a pre-Saved© Jeffrey Dahmer who believed he was following his own heart when it came to raping, boiling, and eating young boys. Only by faith was he spared the eternal punishment of not believing, and at this moment is receiving his eternal reward!

I do not intend to do anything evil but to live a life, in which I can stand myself and won't regret anything. If I would claim to be a christian now with a lying heart, it would bring me to hell anyway.

Well, you may not intend to do anything evil, but without Christ in your heart, how would you know?

Now, to the reincarnation: I believe that the Holy Spirit is all around us, making things, people, animals live. I mean, isn't it stupid to think that everything just came from nothing? How did our heart stop beating? Who are we? Why can we even think about this? So I think, there is some of this Spirit inside of us, our eternal soul. When we die, our bodies die and that soul moves on and gets reborn in another body.
Actually, there are souls who can't handle their death and become ghosts. Sometimes there were even cases, when people had an accident and fell into coma. As they woke up again, they were totally different persons, speaking another language, having different names, ect. I think it could be possible that one of those scared and lost souls took over them in a moment when they were weak.
But usually the souls get into newborn babies and start a new life, not remembering any of what happened in their old life. Only very powerful Wiccas can see some very rare moments or ideas of their former life. And no, this has nothing to do with fear of death, but with the eternal circle of life.

Well isn't this a lovely idea! But from where does it come? Although I agree with you in that it is stupid to think that everything just came from nothing, ignorance of how the world works is no excuse to believe whatever story appeals to your emotional state or is simple enough for a child to comprehend. That's just silly, and one could fall for any tale that way. But we have a Heavenly Father who left us a number of facts, including from where everything came, and what happens to the soul after bodily death. It also explains how resurrection works, which is a matter of fact, not a fantasy like reincarnation.

I'm sorry to see you so disillusioned and bitter, Mr. Much. I hope this good christians will help you find some love and faith in life.

Don't spend too much worry on account of him. It is a known fact that atheists are all disillusioned and bitter. They have no purpose in life and are incapable of feeling joy or peace at any level. It's quite sad, really, but only until we are in Heaven, where the memories of our unsaved friends and family, and the knowledge of their unending pain and suffering won't even be preserved in our memory! Glory!

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

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I respect all of your opinions and yes, Mrs Etheldreda (a beautiful name, by the way) I would like to answer your questions. It is true, not all Wiccas believe the same thing, but I prefer on believing in what my heart says is right. I do not intend to do anything evil but to live a life, in which I can stand myself and won't regret anything. If I would claim to be a christian now with a lying heart, it would bring me to hell anyway.

Now, to the reincarnation: I believe that the Holy Spirit is all around us, making things, people, animals live. I mean, isn't it stupid to think that everything just came from nothing? How did our heart stop beating? Who are we? Why can we even think about this? So I think, there is some of this Spirit inside of us, our eternal soul. When we die, our bodies die and that soul moves on and gets reborn in another body.
Actually, there are souls who can't handle their death and become ghosts. Sometimes there were even cases, when people had an accident and fell into coma. As they woke up again, they were totally different persons, speaking another language, having different names, ect. I think it could be possible that one of those scared and lost souls took over them in a moment when they were weak.
But usually the souls get into newborn babies and start a new life, not remembering any of what happened in their old life. Only very powerful Wiccas can see some very rare moments or ideas of their former life. And no, this has nothing to do with fear of death, but with the eternal circle of life.

I'm sorry to see you so disillusioned and bitter, Mr. Much. I hope this good christians will help you find some love and faith in life.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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An irrational fear of death, accompanied by sufficient willful scientific ignorance, and chauvinism (inevitably based on egoism) that the universe just could not be so cold and heartless that it would dare to exist for any purpose other than to give Maike (and her friends, of course) a place to exist for a blink in time. Add a little "karma" to this (so that the "bad people" who make poor little Maike's life so terrible, but that she's personally too weak and powerless to do anything about [or so she has convinced herself], end up suffering for their crimes instead of getting away scot-free) and either reincarnation or Heaven (which is still reincarnation, just not on this plane of existence) become necessary for the protection of her idea of self.

Does any of this sound vaguely familiar, Mary?

Not quite, dear. For one thing, this Wiccan belief is as hard to pin down as nailing jell-o to the wall. There are many websites and books claiming to teach “real” Wicca, but the truth is, there is no consensus among Wiccans as to what the religion is all about in the first place. So how would Maike and her friends even know if they believe the right thing, or if they're practicing their beliefs the right way? In contrast, the Christian faith is as easy to understand as opening a book and praying to the Holy Spirit for guidance.

Wicca is a religion that takes a pack of lies, ties it in a romantic ribbon, and appeals to frightened, ignorant, lazy, gullible, and lonely people to sell its hollow doctrines. It seems the fascination with Wicca is the purported use of spells and magic to change an unpleasant reality. The difference between us is that Wiccans like Maike claim magic is simply using their minds to control matter, while True Christians™ like myself call upon an omnipotent, omnipresent God to heal people and to intervene and work in our lives. One is wrong, the other is right.

[BelieverInGod]

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An irrational fear of death, accompanied by sufficient willful scientific ignorance, and chauvinism (inevitably based on egoism) that the universe just could not be so cold and heartless that it would dare to exist for any purpose other than to give Maike (and her friends, of course) a place to exist for a blink in time. Add a little "karma" to this (so that the "bad people" who make poor little Maike's life so terrible, but that she's personally too weak and powerless to do anything about [or so she has convinced herself], end up suffering for their crimes instead of getting away scot-free) and either reincarnation or Heaven (which is still reincarnation, just not on this plane of existence) become necessary for the protection of her idea of self.

Does any of this sound vaguely familiar, Mary?

Wow, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

What's with all the anger today? Is Jesus knocking at your heart starting to keep you up at nights?

[Didymus Much]

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...I don't believe in hell but in reincarnation. But I don't want to get more into detail in there...

...What is this belief based on?...

An irrational fear of death, accompanied by sufficient willful scientific ignorance, and chauvinism (inevitably based on egoism) that the universe just could not be so cold and heartless that it would dare to exist for any purpose other than to give Maike (and her friends, of course) a place to exist for a blink in time. Add a little "karma" to this (so that the "bad people" who make poor little Maike's life so terrible, but that she's personally too weak and powerless to do anything about [or so she has convinced herself], end up suffering for their crimes instead of getting away scot-free) and either reincarnation or Heaven (which is still reincarnation, just not on this plane of existence) become necessary for the protection of her idea of self.

Does any of this sound vaguely familiar, Mary?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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As I said before, I am not here to find to Jesus Christ, nor to troll or to spread hate. I am here to learn more about your history and your believing

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I don't believe in hell but in reincarnation. But I don't want to get more into detail in there, since it won't interest you much anyway, I guess

What is this belief based on? Can I learn about it?

[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

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We just celebrate once in a month and praise the Goddess and the horned God, we sing and eat together, talk about cooking and healthy meals, try to tell the future, let ourself go, trying to learn more about natural medicine and gain some wisdom. Does that really sound this evil to you?

In other words: you worship the devil. And yes that does sound quite evil indeed.

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

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As I said before, I am not here to find to Jesus Christ, nor to troll or to spread hate. I am here to learn more about your history and your believing and feel free to ask me questions, too. I am not whorshipping the devil, since Wiccas are using positive and good magic to praise the Goddess and feeling one with nature and everything. We are not evil nor ugly. In fact, even old documents about the witchhammer claim, that the accused witches were mostly very beautiful, to seduce mankind. Of course, this is not true, we don't have something like that in mind. All we want is being happy and feeling near to the Holy Spirit.

We just celebrate once in a month and praise the Goddess and the horned God, we sing and eat together, talk about cooking and healthy meals, try to tell the future, let ourself go, trying to learn more about natural medicine and gain some wisdom. Does that really sound this evil to you?

I don't believe in hell but in reincarnation. But I don't want to get more into detail in there, since it won't interest you much anyway, I guess

Unfortunately, Mr. Niles, there aren't any pictures of me on the internet, as I am not a very famous or good model. I only do it once in a while, when my agency gets some offers. Then I only model for things like brochures or advertising for small companies. But if you want to see some pictures so badly, I will call the agency and ask if I could upload some.