[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

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P.S: Pastor Ezekiel, your prayer doesn't work.

And now look who became a meme: http://hugelol.org/lol/85511 does that guy look familiar to you?

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

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What you don't understand is, that magic has never been ANYTHING different than what I explained. All those strange stories about witches riding broomsticks and whatsoever are stories of the church to scare the people and somehow, that image is stuck on witches.
But you know guys, I give up on trying to explain it to you. I got the feeling that you just do everything in your power to avoid understanding what I say, so I'd say, let's just stick to the point, that I have my way and you have yours, you won't understand what I say anyway.
Blessed Be.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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And I most definitely won't force you to.

By the way, if you really are interested in magic, I recommend to read the book "witchcraft today"

This is a very powerful prayer against Witchcraft. This prayer can shut down witches and satanists forever. Being that this prayer basically shuts down the senders of the hexes and vexes by returning their evil to them sevenfold. I now hurl it at you in Christ's name!

Father,
In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I plead the precious uncorruptable blood of Jesus over myself and my church and everything that belongs to us. I ask for giant warrior Angels to be loosed from Heaven to surround and protect us. As your war club and weapons of war I break down, undamn, and blow up all walls of protection around all witches, warlocks, wizards, satanists, and the like, and I break the power of all curses, hexes, vexes, spells, charms, fetishes, physic prayers, physic thought, all witchcraft, sorcery, magic, voodoo, all mind control, jinxes, potions, bewitchments, death, destruction, sickness, pain, torment, physic power, physic warfare, prayer chains, and everything else being sent my way or my family members way, and I return it and the demons to the senders right now!, SEVENFOLD, and I BIND it to them by the Blood of Jesus!

Father, I pray that these lost souls will find the light of your son Jesus.. Their own snares and traps have been set against themselves.. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I now loose them from all mindcontrol of satan!.. Father I also ask that you Bind the Holy Spirit to there hearts as a guide to your son Jesus.. So they may be set free from the bondages of satan.

In Jesus name I pray..
Amen

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I know what you want to say. But this is the point, Lady. Our "magic" isn't meant to be functional. The magic we speak of is only for US and only that we feel near to nature and stable. If we do a ritual, it is that we can feel the nature around us and feeling near to the Goddess....

If your "magic" isn't functional, and the word really only refers to things that can be explained without magic, how do you even know this "goddess" exists?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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1.No, they won't die, as it is a feeling. Feelings aren't facts, but they can be an important point for our decisions and the way we start to be. What I meant with it, is, that it might not be the reality for all of us, but for HIM it is. He won't say "oh, come on, that's not real".

So a man having a panic attack, thinking he's having a heart attack, will in reality be having a heart attack even though he's not because he's having a panic attack (not synonymous, medically speaking) because the important thing is what he feels?

2. What I say is, for the person who feels it, yes, it IS true. I am saying that the truth and the reality have many faces and every single person is living his/her own reality. For some of us life is a lovey dovey place, for others it's hell.

So what you're saying is, a child with autism, whose brain gets overloaded in those stimuli that are hardly noticed by neuroypically developed people, could simply learn to feel not overwhelmed? You do realize you'd get the Nobel Prize for proving you have the cure to autism, right? Do you know how many parents cry themselves to sleep at night knowing their children suffer a living Hell inside their own minds just because their brains don't operate in such a way as to interpret benign stimuli as non-threatening? What are you waiting for? Why not call a press conference right now and announce this?

3. A pedophile is one, when he actually believes, that it is right, what he is doing. Of COURSE this is a horrible thing in our society and noone would tolerate it, but the pedophile himself would say: "What? I don't do anything wrong."

Are you suggesting that pedophile is not wrong?

4. I'm 20 years old and no, not what comforts him. Some of us choose to believe, that Jesus Christ is real and I tolerate that. If they think, God exists, he exists for them. Some say, that there is no God and live only by facts and it's fine for them as well. I say, that we are all connected in a circle of life and that there is more than mere logic. And I am fine with it! And if two people believe different things: so what? Many of my friends are atheists and we get along just fine.

So what? For those who don't believe, their names will not be written in the Book of Life, and they will be thrown in the Lake of Fire to suffer for all eternity (Revelation 20:15)!

5. That is a hard question. First of all, in my religion we say, as long as we don't harm anyone, we can do as we want. And I think this is a good idea. So if you want to believe in Christ or in Jehova or in science, go ahead, as long as you don't hurt anyone else with that. So if you are thinking of killing someone for example, you should think about it twice. And, of course, if the ideas and feelings are based on certain situations of the past. Sometimes it's connected with a traumatic happening.

How very convenient for someone like the pedophile who believes sincerely he's not hurting anyone. I wonder what other cruel things are done to people in the name of feeling like one is doing the right thing.

6. You got that wrong what I said. Imagine a girl, let's say, 15 years old. She thinks, that she is ugly and nobody likes her. That is her feeling about herself and her personal reality, so she will probably keep away from others and won't go much on parties, won't have any self confidence, and so on. With that, noone much talking to her, she will see her feelings confirmed, that nobody likes her. So she kind of makes her own reality with what she thinks about herself. But if someone thinks he is super awesome, he will seem very confident to other people and it will be easier to get in contact with him, so he actually IS kind of successfull, because he trust in himself.

Spoken like one who has only faced First World problems.

7. What I say is, that there is not ONE truth but many. I don't want to say that ONE person says that what he says is the one and ultimate truth. Reality is a little bit like a diamond- it has many facettes and everyone sees them from another view.

"Jesus is the Messiah" is the Truth, and also "Jesus is not the Messiah" is also the Truth?

[James Hutchins]

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My name is *Maike, it is differently pronounced than Mike.

Not in Gods Favorite(c) country, the US of A. When you are in His Church, you will speak as He prefers.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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In fact, this is a good question! But to answer this question is so hard. It's actually more about philosophy than science. To answer, what makes magic real, we would have to answer first: what is reality? How can we measure what is real? For example, hallucinations can be for certain persons as real as the moon is for us. Sometimes we witness things, which we cannot believe to be real, but they are. Some people, who lost a leg, swear that they still feel the pain in the leg sometimes, even if they know, it's gone. We say this is just stupid, but for them it is reality.

But this is reality. Nerve endings carry messages to the brain, which interprets these messages as "pain," in the case of a missing leg, or as "Mary, mother of Jesus," in the case of hallucinations. That these messages are responding to a false stimulus doesn't mean it's not real. God made nerve endings to do a very specific job, and because ours is a fallen world, corrupt with sin, these things make mistakes. Some of these mistakes are painful or scary, but that doesn't make them magical.

So, this is actually not about a proof in a science way,

Nor is it proof in a philosophical way.

but magic is alot about feelings. If you take drugs, you feel very strange things sometimes and you don't question it, you just know that these feelings are there in that moment and that is all that matters. It's similiar with magic. When that feeling is flowing through your body, you can FEEL it and you know that it is REAL for you. I can feel it, I can sense it and it amazes me everytime again. I don't do all this, because I want to be spooky or powerful, but because it makes me feel stable and strong and I feel one with this world.

So let me get this straight. You have an experience, your brain surges with endorphins, you feel euphoria, and so you call this "magic," even though there are other, more credible reasons that explains this phenomena? Why not call puppies "magic," or flowers blooming "magic," since you want to use this word to describe things that enhance your mood in a positive way?

I think you guys have a wrong idea about Wiccas. We don't summon demons or do some magic like Harry Potter or something. xD We are celebrating the mother nature, the circle of life and we pray to get reborn near our beloved ones in our next life. What we seek is wisdom and love in everything, that surrounds us. BELIEVING is stronger than you think. We create a part of our reality on our own. A bumblebee is actually way to fat to fly. But it doesn't know, so it flies either way. Some people are convinced that they are the best, so they are naturally successfull. If you think, you always have bad luck and your life is the worst, it will be. And when I think that this spells work, they will work for me.

So because you don't see the work of Satan, you decide it must not be him? That's awfully convenient. Good luck with that.

Some people who just want to listen to facts only will find it hard to understand what I say.

Dear, as a True Christian™ lady, and devout follower of Christ Jesus, I do not rely on facts only. I know there is a supernatural reality that can be neither proven, nor explained, but can be taken on faith. For those who take it on faith, no proof or explanation is even necessary.

But even though you might not be satisfied with these words, I feel good as I am and it makes me happy and stable to know, that I am a part of this world and that I can feel the nature and life flowing through my body.

So part of being good and stable is to embrace one's delusions? Interesting logic there.

For example, on full moon sometimes we just meet in the middle of the forest and dance and eat together and go crazy and just let ourselves go and those are the moments where I feel free like never before and we don't even need drugs for it. Just being human and let our lowest instincts get the control. Pure freedom.

Um, but that's not magic. That's just the emotions that accompany being with people who make you feel good, people with whom you have a sincere and pleasant relationship.

Gosh, I could write waaay more, but nothing what I say will ever be enough. As I said, you need to feel it to understand what I mean. I hope that gave you at least a little idea of what this is about.

Actually, no. I don't have any more idea now than before. It seems all you do is corrupt the word "magic" to describe things that make you feel really, really happy.

Dear, that doesn't mean it's real.

Clearly, what's real is Satan is fooling with your emotions, luring you into his lies.

Don't be fooled! Let Jesus Save you!

[BelieverInGod]

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I know what you want to say. But this is the point, Lady. Our "magic" isn't meant to be functional. The magic we speak of is only for US and only that we feel near to nature and stable. If we do a ritual, it is that we can feel the nature around us and feeling near to the Goddess. The magic we talk about isn't the one you know from movies or stories. So, to answer your question, there is no standart of evidence. The only thing that could have some evidences are potions, like some drinks against a cold or knowledge of plants and which effect they can cause.

So, long story short: There is no proof of magic. Everything we do doesn't happen in the common reality, only in our personal reality. Meditation can also be a kind of magic for us, since we are absolutely calm and peaceful.
If I come home from a ritual, I feel fresh and full of motivation and the confidence, that I have a place in this world. You are relaxed and you feel everything a little bit different than before. For you it might not sound very amazing, but for me it makes my everyday look a little bit more positive and that is all. All I seek from that religion is stability and the feeling to be right just where and how I am.

So you only care about how you feel right this very moment, and not about the future?

Yeah, I have met some people who take "plant products" that are like that. They're commonly referred to as "junkies".

[Didymus Much]

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...The only thing that could have some evidences are potions, like some drinks against a cold or knowledge of plants and which effect they can cause...

Which is NOT magic.

...If I come home from a ritual, I feel fresh and full of motivation and the confidence, that I have a place in this world...

No, you just replace the world with one created in your imagination psychosis.

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

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My name is *Maike, it is differently pronounced than Mike.

[James Hutchins]

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Mike, I am very sad to hear you have chosen to be a whore instead of a decent person. A moment on the lips, an eternity in Hell.

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

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I know what you want to say. But this is the point, Lady. Our "magic" isn't meant to be functional. The magic we speak of is only for US and only that we feel near to nature and stable. If we do a ritual, it is that we can feel the nature around us and feeling near to the Goddess. The magic we talk about isn't the one you know from movies or stories. So, to answer your question, there is no standart of evidence. The only thing that could have some evidences are potions, like some drinks against a cold or knowledge of plants and which effect they can cause.

So, long story short: There is no proof of magic. Everything we do doesn't happen in the common reality, only in our personal reality. Meditation can also be a kind of magic for us, since we are absolutely calm and peaceful.
If I come home from a ritual, I feel fresh and full of motivation and the confidence, that I have a place in this world. You are relaxed and you feel everything a little bit different than before. For you it might not sound very amazing, but for me it makes my everyday look a little bit more positive and that is all. All I seek from that religion is stability and the feeling to be right just where and how I am.

[Thinks Design]

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1.No, they won't die, as it is a feeling. Feelings aren't facts, but they can be an important point for our decisions and the way we start to be. What I meant with it, is, that it might not be the reality for all of us, but for HIM it is. He won't say "oh, come on, that's not real".

2. What I say is, for the person who feels it, yes, it IS true. I am saying that the truth and the reality have many faces and every single person is living his/her own reality. For some of us life is a lovey dovey place, for others it's hell.

3. A pedophile is one, when he actually believes, that it is right, what he is doing. Of COURSE this is a horrible thing in our society and noone would tolerate it, but the pedophile himself would say: "What? I don't do anything wrong."

4. I'm 20 years old and no, not what comforts him. Some of us choose to believe, that Jesus Christ is real and I tolerate that. If they think, God exists, he exists for them. Some say, that there is no God and live only by facts and it's fine for them as well. I say, that we are all connected in a circle of life and that there is more than mere logic. And I am fine with it! And if two people believe different things: so what? Many of my friends are atheists and we get along just fine.

5. That is a hard question. First of all, in my religion we say, as long as we don't harm anyone, we can do as we want. And I think this is a good idea. So if you want to believe in Christ or in Jehova or in science, go ahead, as long as you don't hurt anyone else with that. So if you are thinking of killing someone for example, you should think about it twice. And, of course, if the ideas and feelings are based on certain situations of the past. Sometimes it's connected with a traumatic happening.

6. You got that wrong what I said. Imagine a girl, let's say, 15 years old. She thinks, that she is ugly and nobody likes her. That is her feeling about herself and her personal reality, so she will probably keep away from others and won't go much on parties, won't have any self confidence, and so on. With that, noone much talking to her, she will see her feelings confirmed, that nobody likes her. So she kind of makes her own reality with what she thinks about herself. But if someone thinks he is super awesome, he will seem very confident to other people and it will be easier to get in contact with him, so he actually IS kind of successfull, because he trust in himself.

7. What I say is, that there is not ONE truth but many. I don't want to say that ONE person says that what he says is the one and ultimate truth. Reality is a little bit like a diamond- it has many facettes and everyone sees them from another view.

8. Yes.

But here is the kicker, sweety.

None of the imagined realities people can have make magic real.

And you still haven't answered the question from FFB about what standard of evidence you use to conclude that magic is actually functional.

Please answer that question.

ThinksDesign

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

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So if I told you that I had a feeling that the government were using long range EEGs to filch thoughts from my head, you (with your paradigm of using feelings as evidence) would conclude that my feeling is correct?

What about someone having a panic attack who FEELS that they are going to have a heart attack and die? You (with your paradigm of using feelings as evidence) would conclude they were correct?

What you are basically saying is that if something feels true, it is?

Let's take this to an extreme: our feelings define reality.

Based on this a paedophile is doing nothing wrong because his actions FEEL right to him.

Just how old are you? Do you honestly beleive reality conforms to what people beleive? What if two people beleive two different things?

What is the criterion in use to let you decide whether your feeling is correct or if it just a feeling?

I had a feeling I would fail the Emotion and Thinking module last year. But I passed: so my feeling was wrong.

Are you honestly saying every time you have feeling it is correct?

Seriously?

1.No, they won't die, as it is a feeling. Feelings aren't facts, but they can be an important point for our decisions and the way we start to be. What I meant with it, is, that it might not be the reality for all of us, but for HIM it is. He won't say "oh, come on, that's not real".

2. What I say is, for the person who feels it, yes, it IS true. I am saying that the truth and the reality have many faces and every single person is living his/her own reality. For some of us life is a lovey dovey place, for others it's hell.

3. A pedophile is one, when he actually believes, that it is right, what he is doing. Of COURSE this is a horrible thing in our society and noone would tolerate it, but the pedophile himself would say: "What? I don't do anything wrong."

4. I'm 20 years old and no, not what comforts him. Some of us choose to believe, that Jesus Christ is real and I tolerate that. If they think, God exists, he exists for them. Some say, that there is no God and live only by facts and it's fine for them as well. I say, that we are all connected in a circle of life and that there is more than mere logic. And I am fine with it! And if two people believe different things: so what? Many of my friends are atheists and we get along just fine.

5. That is a hard question. First of all, in my religion we say, as long as we don't harm anyone, we can do as we want. And I think this is a good idea. So if you want to believe in Christ or in Jehova or in science, go ahead, as long as you don't hurt anyone else with that. So if you are thinking of killing someone for example, you should think about it twice. And, of course, if the ideas and feelings are based on certain situations of the past. Sometimes it's connected with a traumatic happening.

6. You got that wrong what I said. Imagine a girl, let's say, 15 years old. She thinks, that she is ugly and nobody likes her. That is her feeling about herself and her personal reality, so she will probably keep away from others and won't go much on parties, won't have any self confidence, and so on. With that, noone much talking to her, she will see her feelings confirmed, that nobody likes her. So she kind of makes her own reality with what she thinks about herself. But if someone thinks he is super awesome, he will seem very confident to other people and it will be easier to get in contact with him, so he actually IS kind of successfull, because he trust in himself.

7. What I say is, that there is not ONE truth but many. I don't want to say that ONE person says that what he says is the one and ultimate truth. Reality is a little bit like a diamond- it has many facettes and everyone sees them from another view.

8. Yes.

[FreeFromBrains]

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I guess a stopped clock is right once a day.

You are my favourite dumb ass Christer.