[Didymus Much]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

...Jesus was saying You CAN obtain perfection. And yes, you can...You just can't say that...

So can you? Or can't you?

If you can't, you're saying Jesus lied.

...But perfection would mean you have NEVER sinned...

No, it doesn't. Typical Catholic, redefining words to cover their sins.

Next you'll be claiming you don't worship Mary.

...Yes, you might be very good but perfect...no...

So your God lied to you, which makes Him imperfect. Why do you worship Him?

...You have never sweared? Never missed church on Sunday? Never lied? Never been jealous of other people's things?...

Me? That's a fucking laugh.

... Please, even a true Christian has faults.

That's not what the thread (or the Bible) says. Want to argue it further? Take it there.

[Seth Campbell]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

Did you read the linked thread?

She doesn't read threads.

I've already posted a whole link to the CATHOLICS AREN'T CHRISTIAN page, and she still knows better than every other romanist pagan that's been on our pages.

I suggest you do some reading little girl, it will (hopefully) enlighten your soul.

[Seth Campbell]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

Sir, about rejecting my friend request: I highly doubt Jesus would have done that. He forgave the people who killed him. He loved everyone no matter what: even if they hated him.

WWJD?

Jesus forgave people who were repentant. You have not shown any form of repentance at all.

What did Jesus tell the adulteress when he saved her from the Pharisees?

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

What did Jesus tell the man with the infirmities that he healed at Bethesda?

John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Where in either of those situations did Jesus say "keep on sinning, but remember to 'tag out' with your local priest so that I can keep forgiving you over and over again.

[ARealTruePapist]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

Yes, I did. But in all of those verses that were pointed out, Jesus was saying You CAN obtain perfection. And yes, you can. But perfection would mean you have NEVER sinned; that you are all good. You just can't say that. Yes, you might be very good but perfect...no.

You have never sweared? Never missed church on Sunday? Never lied? Never been jealous of other people's things? Please, even a true Christian has faults.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

...I don't recall seeing in the bible that true Christians are perfect.

Did you read the linked thread?

[ARealTruePapist]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

How am I a hypocrite? I admitted that some priests did the same things. You just can't admit that you aren't perfect nor are any baptists. True Christians are not perfect. God is the only one completely free of sin and Jesus, of course.

I don't recall seeing in the bible that true Christians are perfect.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

Sir, I never said the church was perfect. It's made up of people and yes, people sin, no matter what religion...

Except for True Christians™.

True Christians are Perfect! http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=44504

...You can't just say that because some people made big mistakes in a religion that the whole thing is horrible...

Then where do you get off doing that very thing?

..."The unmistakable message of silence and do-nothingness is that, among baptists, clergy sex abuse is usually treated as no big deal." It goes on to relate cases of sex abuse: that was on January 21, 2013. But I guess the media failed to report these cases or multiple others.

Hypocrite.

[ARealTruePapist]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

I am not talking about the Catholic Church. I am talking about the blasphemey that is the Roman Catholic Church. I quote from Wikipedia (as this is the only source you would understand:

"In 380, Christianity became the state church of the Roman Empire by the decree of the Emperor, which would persist until the fall of the Western Roman Empire and, later, with the Eastern Roman Empire until the Fall of Constantinople"

So if the Roman Catholic Church was founded 300yrs after the death of Peter how could he be the first Roman Catholic Pope.

Go away and go back to school nitwit.

Anyway back to safe havens for perverts, again I will use Wikipedia:

"In the 1990s and 2000s, the issue of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic clergy became the subject of media coverage and public debate in countries around the world. The Church was criticised for its handling of abuse complaints when it became known that some bishops had shielded accused priests, transferring them to other pastoral assignments where some continued to commit sexual offences. In response to the scandal, the Church has established formal procedures to prevent abuse, encourage reporting of any abuse that occurs and to handle such reports promptly, although groups representing victims have disputed their effectiveness"

Your response please.

I have given you proof, and don't use the usual line that wiki is totally inaccurate.

Sir, I never said the church was perfect. It's made up of people and yes, people sin, no matter what religion. So I'm not saying these things aren't true: they might be. But in general, priests are not like that. You can't just say that because some people made big mistakes in a religion that the whole thing is horrible. That's like saying, "Well that brother is on drugs so the other one must be too."

I have found some things about Baptist church's too. This is from abpnews.com: "The unmistakable message of silence and do-nothingness is that, among baptists, clergy sex abuse is usually treated as no big deal." It goes on to relate cases of sex abuse: that was on January 21, 2013. But I guess the media failed to report these cases or multiple others.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

We call our Priest father. And here's how I'm going to attempt to twist and deny that verse...

FTFY.

...Alright, gentleman, have your bibles ready...

Assuming they haven't already? Poor form (and quite arrogant).

...In Gen. 45 8, Joseph tells his brothers this, "So now it was not you who sent me here, but God: And he has made me a father to Pharoah, Lord of his entire household and ruler of Egypt." That was from KJ Bible.

Or this one, "I was a father to the poor: And the cause which I knew not I searched out."...

Don't you see the difference between BEING a father and insisting on being CALLED one?

Do you have any idea how many Catholics (and other false Christians) have been here, trying to do the same thing you are, i.e. "Yes, that's what the Bible clearly and plainly says in simple, easy-to-understand English, but what it really means is..."

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

You still didn't answer my questions...

And it was not started 300 years after. Learn the facts. Give me dates. Show the proof.

I am not talking about the Catholic Church. I am talking about the blasphemey that is the Roman Catholic Church. I quote from Wikipedia (as this is the only source you would understand:

"In 380, Christianity became the state church of the Roman Empire by the decree of the Emperor, which would persist until the fall of the Western Roman Empire and, later, with the Eastern Roman Empire until the Fall of Constantinople"

So if the Roman Catholic Church was founded 300yrs after the death of Peter how could he be the first Roman Catholic Pope.

Go away and go back to school nitwit.

Anyway back to safe havens for perverts, again I will use Wikipedia:

"In the 1990s and 2000s, the issue of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic clergy became the subject of media coverage and public debate in countries around the world. The Church was criticised for its handling of abuse complaints when it became known that some bishops had shielded accused priests, transferring them to other pastoral assignments where some continued to commit sexual offences. In response to the scandal, the Church has established formal procedures to prevent abuse, encourage reporting of any abuse that occurs and to handle such reports promptly, although groups representing victims have disputed their effectiveness"

Your response please.

I have given you proof, and don't use the usual line that wiki is totally inaccurate.

[ARealTruePapist]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

You still didn't answer my questions...

And it was not started 300 years after. Learn the facts. Give me dates. Show the proof.

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

Hi Thomas! Let me answer your questions but first, let me pose some questions to you:

1. Why do you think that having down syndrome is a life choice (crankyoldman post)?

2. You claim you are Pro-Life and yet there was a forum about beating a pregnant woman, which can harm or kill the baby, just like abortion. What??

3. Why do you think Catholic priests drink blood from humans? No proof.

Read the relevant threads and the associated Scripture. I am sure all shall be revealed.

Your questions....


1. In the Bible, Jesus makes Peter the first pope because he needs someone to lead on earth. Although there are multiple verses in the bible, this one explains it best. "And I say also unto you, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I shall build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Peter, as you know, means rock or stone.

How could Peter be the first pope if he died 300yrs before the RC church was founded?

We do not have to go through him to get to God; the pope just helps understand the church's teachings and also, with the guidance of the holy spirit, helps our understand new issues that weren't around when Jesus was on earth, like abortion or gay rights.

Then why do you cnfess your sins to a priest, who then gives you absolution until next time you call in for a chat?

There is no such thing as gay rights:

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as hee lyeth with a woman, both of them haue committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shalbe vpon them.

The only right homos' have is to be stoned.

2. Our church is not a safe haven for perverts. If you could point out an instance or a something, than I could go more in depth.

Pedophiles and other abusers. I have a few friend who were abused by these so called men of God.

3. This is for all of the priest related questions. First off, yes they are men. They are men who do not marry or have children because they spread the faith. The Catholic church feels like if they have families, than they won't be able to entirely dedicate their lives to God. Being a father and husband is a serious and time consuming vocation: if priests married, than they wouldn't be able to fulfill both that vocation and their religious vocation.

When it says every man owne his wife and so on, it not say every man must marry. That is indicating that the man already has a wife and must stay faithful. Not to be going out with a bunch of women or men but saying with his own.

If men were not meant to marry, God would have made them with no genetalia.

[ARealTruePapist]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

And we do not spit on baby Jesus. Where did you get that from??

[ARealTruePapist]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

No. No. No..... This is just not the way it works.

I have some questions for you to answer first:

1. Why do you call the pope (you know the fella with the stupid hat) God's representative on earth, and why do you all have to go through him to get to God? - just by the way God says that he does not like a hat to be worn when praying,:

1 Corinthians 11:4

Euery man praying or prophecying, hauing his head couered, dishonoureth his head.

hmmmm..... what does your pope do? Oh yes, he prays with his stupid hat on.

2. Why do you allow your "church" to be a save haven for perverts?

1 Corinthians 6:18-20

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

3. Why do your "priests" not marry?

1 Corinthians 7:2

Neuerthelesse, to auoid fornication, let euery man haue his owne wife, and let euery woman haue her owne husband.

The main words here being [sic] "every man". This the raises the question:

4. Do you not consider priests to be men? If not what are they?

Answer these simple questions first and maybe then, if I feel like it, I may take time out of my busy schedule to answer you.

P.S. Why do you spit in Baby Jesus's face?

Hi Thomas! Let me answer your questions but first, let me pose some questions to you:

1. Why do you think that having down syndrome is a life choice (crankyoldman post)?

2. You claim you are Pro-Life and yet there was a forum about beating a pregnant woman, which can harm or kill the baby, just like abortion. What??

3. Why do you think Catholic priests drink blood from humans? No proof.


Your questions....


1. In the Bible, Jesus makes Peter the first pope because he needs someone to lead on earth. Although there are multiple verses in the bible, this one explains it best. "And I say also unto you, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I shall build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Peter, as you know, means rock or stone.

We do not have to go through him to get to God; the pope just helps understand the church's teachings and also, with the guidance of the holy spirit, helps our understand new issues that weren't around when Jesus was on earth, like abortion or gay rights.


2. Our church is not a safe haven for perverts. If you could point out an instance or a something, than I could go more in depth.

3. This is for all of the priest related questions. First off, yes they are men. They are men who do not marry or have children because they spread the faith. The Catholic church feels like if they have families, than they won't be able to entirely dedicate their lives to God. Being a father and husband is a serious and time consuming vocation: if priests married, than they wouldn't be able to fulfill both that vocation and their religious vocation.

When it says every man owne his wife and so on, it not say every man must marry. That is indicating that the man already has a wife and must stay faithful. Not to be going out with a bunch of women or men but saying with his own.



In Christ,

Margaret

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: Greetings from ARealTrueChristian!

Don't just tell me to get out a bible because that can be read a lot a different ways. And yes, I read about us. But why do you believe what you believe: what are the beliefs EXACTLY? Why do you call me a whore when you don't know ME? I NEED A REAL CONVERSATION SETH!!

No. No. No..... This is just not the way it works.

I have some questions for you to answer first:

1. Why do you call the pope (you know the fella with the stupid hat) God's representative on earth, and why do you all have to go through him to get to God? - just by the way God says that he does not like a hat to be worn when praying,:

1 Corinthians 11:4

Euery man praying or prophecying, hauing his head couered, dishonoureth his head.

hmmmm..... what does your pope do? Oh yes, he prays with his stupid hat on.

2. Why do you allow your "church" to be a save haven for perverts?

1 Corinthians 6:18-20

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

3. Why do your "priests" not marry?

1 Corinthians 7:2

Neuerthelesse, to auoid fornication, let euery man haue his owne wife, and let euery woman haue her owne husband.

The main words here being [sic] "every man". This the raises the question:

4. Do you not consider priests to be men? If not what are they?

Answer these simple questions first and maybe then, if I feel like it, I may take time out of my busy schedule to answer you.

P.S. Why do you spit in Baby Jesus's face?