[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

Why does this new person think he knows better than God?

I think he's someone pretending to be a Christian so he can make being a Christian look silly. There are people who do that, you know.

I hope he realises this will send him straight to the lake of fire.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

T^he scriptures are NOT 'inerrant'. There are many errors/contradictions. Many of these can be found by searching the internet for lists of them. One of the greatest errors, that goes all the way back into the OT, is the true understanding of The Trinity & The Godhead. THERE ARE 'FOUR' FIGURES,...NOT THREE!

Ah, so you are one of these pick and choose type of "Christians" who twists the perfect word of God by interpreting it according to your own selfish needs.

Think for a second how short sighted that cherry picking way of reading is. I do not only mean the bible. For example I could say that you really did not mean what you just wrote the way you wrote it, but in fact you feel totally opposite about the matter and it was just a metaphor. After all I have better knowledge about your motives and what you really mean because I just read your post.

This is exactly what you are doing with the bible. You read it, but the same time you are so arrogant, that you blaspheme against the God by saying that He really did not meant what He wrote.

Friend, here we follow the word of God, by the word, as He meant it. You really should start following it as well if you want to avoid the fiery pits of hell. It's not yet too late for you to make things right with Jesus. I will pray for you.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

I faced the same question(s). It is possible, that the scriptures which tell us, that if you have The Son, you also have The Father, may hold the 'key'. If you do not have The Son, you also do not have The Father. Perhaps, if you have Jesus Christ, you also have The Lord God Almighty, and if you then have The Lord God Almighty, then you have the 'invisible' Father of The Lord God Almighty. I don't know, but I would ASSUME this to be true. Nothing else makes sense.

I'll give you another option that makes sense: You're wrong!

I, alone, was the only one that has ever asked Him for an understanding of The Trinity & The Godhead.

I doubt that. The doctrine of the Trinity has confounded many over the ages. I'm sure others have prayed on the subject.

All others used vanity. As for who I was, He answered me immediately. He simply told me, that I am who I am. I didn't dare to ask Him to 'expound' on His answer.

Are you now making a thinly-veiled claim to be God (Ex 3:14)?

Are you having a problem? All of God's Word comes from God. It does not mean, that those who heard His Word, understood it. Many of the scriptures given to us are in the form of letters, and so on, and were often written at a much later time than when they were first received. They were also written in different languages and 'interpreted' by different people.

The lists of contradictions found in the Bible that can be found on the internet, ARE TRUE. I matched them to the scriptures. Also, try matching the generations that I mentioned above. This is IN THE BIBLE...DUH!

And yet you use the Bible to support your position. What good is it if it's full of errors? How do you know the parts you're quoting are correct?

You said earlier that Num 12:6 cannot be duplicated by Satan. While none of the following passages explicitly says Satan can send false visions, they make it clear that people can experience false (or vain) visions that are not from God. Some of these passages attribute false visions to the imagination the false prophet. Prove to us your visions came from God and not your own imagination.

Eze 12:24 For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel.

Eze 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken?

Eze 21:29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

Jer 14:14 Then the Lord said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Jer 23:16 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.

Also, God Himself has been known to deceive prophets. How do you know He hasn't deceived you?

1 Ki 22:23 Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

2 Chronicles 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.

Jeremiah 4:10 Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.

Jeremiah 20:7 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

The version of the Bible you use, the KJV, says that God is Triune. I ask you, how can you have four Persons in a Trinity?

1 Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

There are many passages in the Bible that say people have seen and heard God. Sometimes He appeared in human form (Gen 3:8; Gen 18; 32:24-30) and sometimes in other forms, such as the burning bush (Ex 3:1-2), the pillar of cloud and fire (Ex 13:21-22), and the cloud that stood with Moses (Ex 13:18-14:9). These are just a few examples. By taking passages like 1 Tim 6:16 and Jn 5:37 (you could also have added Jn 1:18; Col 1:15; 1 Tim 1:17) in isolation, you are making the Bible seem internally contradictory, something we frown upon on this forum.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

Serious questions: when did you first reject Christ? What was the catalyst? Why have you made it your mission to drive people away from Jesus with blasphemous talk about so-called contradictions (which are not possible, btw) in the Bible?

Again, if you can't discuss things without losing your temper your posting privileges might be curtailed. You are angry with GOD, not ME.

YiC,

Zech

It is often the case when mentalist ascribe their own longings and desires to Jesus it is because of Narcicistic Personality Disorder. No wonder this woman thinks she is the pivotal point of Christianity if she places her self above the Word of Jesus.

She needs to to think less and have faith, more.

YIC

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

Serious questions: when did you first reject Christ? What was the catalyst? Why have you made it your mission to drive people away from Jesus with blasphemous talk about so-called contradictions (which are not possible, btw) in the Bible?

Again, if you can't discuss things without losing your temper your posting privileges might be curtailed. You are angry with GOD, not ME.

YiC,

Zech

[Thorwald]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

Control your temper or you will be asked to leave. This is one of the things I talked about in my first post on this thread.

YiC,

Zech

Then stop posting ridiculous responses. The contradictions listed on the internet state the scripture verses and their locations in the Bible. I have also mentioned that the NT has one extra generation than the lists of the same period as found in Genesis. These are NOT lies. Anyone is free to read these contradictions. They are REAL. The Bible, therefore, IS NOT INERRANT. How many other errors/contradictions due to the misunderstanding of the authors, are possible? Who knows?

[Thorwald]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

What a sad little man you are, believing that lists on the internet are more reliable than Scripture.



I'll pray that you will one day have True Christian™ discernment.

THE LISTS of contradictions found on the internet ARE THE SCRIPTURES. Tell me that you are NOT as stupid as what you are posting. What part do you NOT understand.

I don't care how many INFRACTIONS that you give me. Any mind as small as yours, deserves to have his head up his ass. You are an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

What an idiot! I have NOT contradicted myself. Many have seen God and heard His voice. NO MAN HAS EVER HEARD THE VOICE OF THE INVISIBLE TO MAN FATHER or SEEN HIS SHAPE AT ANY TIME.

Control your temper or you will be asked to leave. This is one of the things I talked about in my first post on this thread.

YiC,

Zech

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

What a sad little man you are, believing that lists on the internet are more reliable than Scripture.



I'll pray that you will one day have True Christian(tm) discernment.

[Thorwald]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

You contradict yourself What a dope.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Jesus wins, again.

What an idiot! I have NOT contradicted myself. Many have seen God and heard His voice. NO MAN HAS EVER HEARD THE VOICE OF THE INVISIBLE TO MAN FATHER or SEEN HIS SHAPE AT ANY TIME.

[Attila's Wife]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

Am I the only one who is worried by this poster's claim to be a Christian while having a pagan name?

[Thorwald]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

All Scripture comes from God (2 Timothy 3:16) so by definition it is perfect. If the Internet says the Bible is wrong, the Internet is wrong.

Who do you worship, Jesus or Al Gore?

Are you having a problem? All of God's Word comes from God. It does not mean, that those who heard His Word, understood it. Many of the scriptures given to us are in the form of letters, and so on, and were often written at a much later time than when they were first received. They were also written in different languages and 'interpreted' by different people.

The lists of contradictions found in the Bible that can be found on the internet, ARE TRUE. I matched them to the scriptures. Also, try matching the generations that I mentioned above. This is IN THE BIBLE...DUH!

[Thorwald]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

Yet all you offer as "proof" is your own interpretation of some ambiguous Scripture, and your own testimony. As God has never (as far as I know) offered this knowledge to any other of the seven+ billion people alive now (or the 100+ billion throughout history), you must admit there are grounds for skepticism about your claims.

Why would God offer you (and only you) this knowledge?

If this knowledge is necessary for salvation, why would God condemn every person who has ever lived, no matter how devout, EXCEPT for you?

If this knowledge is NOT necessary for salvation, why would He have offered it at all?

I faced the same question(s). It is possible, that the scriptures which tell us, that if you have The Son, you also have The Father, may hold the 'key'. If you do not have The Son, you also do not have The Father. Perhaps, if you have Jesus Christ, you also have The Lord God Almighty, and if you then have The Lord God Almighty, then you have the 'invisible' Father of The Lord God Almighty. I don't know, but I would ASSUME this to be true. Nothing else makes sense.

I asked God why (2,000 years after Christ's resurrection) now, and why me? I also asked Him who and what I was (prophet/disciple/apostle)? He showed me in the dream, that I, alone, was the only one that has ever asked Him for an understanding of The Trinity & The Godhead. All others used vanity. As for who I was, He answered me immediately. He simply told me, that I am who I am. I didn't dare to ask Him to 'expound' on His answer.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

If the Bible is 'inerrant', why are there so many contradictions? Try matching the list of generations found in Genesis to those found in Matthew and Luke. The NT has one extra generation. Only one can be correct (or perhaps, both contain errors). Try looking up the contradictions in The Bible, on the internet. They ARE REAL. If you wish to remain blind to the truth, that is your own problem.

All Scripture comes from God (2 Timothy 3:16) so by definition it is perfect. If the Internet says the Bible is wrong, the Internet is wrong.

Who do you worship, Jesus or Al Gore?

[Thorwald]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

Someone who claims to be anointed by God throwing around vanity accusations...mister, I hope you stay here forever! The scales will soon fall from your eyes and you'll be basking in the inerrant Word of God and not your own delusions.

GLORY!!!

If the Bible is 'inerrant', why are there so many contradictions? Try matching the list of generations found in Genesis to those found in Matthew and Luke. The NT has one extra generation. Only one can be correct (or perhaps, both contain errors). Try looking up the contradictions in The Bible, on the internet. They ARE REAL. If you wish to remain blind to the truth, that is your own problem.