[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Devout

A fact cannot be changed, it is something that is indisputable, therefore if a fact interferes with one's belief or perception of the way things are, their beliefs and perceptions cannot be truth.

It is faith that cannot be changed.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

I understand Matthew 7:1-2 perfectly, otherwise it would be ironic of me to quote the scripture in the same breath that I state that this forum is brimming with racism, bigotry, and hate.

No you don't. These verses are a warning against hypocrisy, not judging. Jesus will judge us as we judge others. Read the following verses.

Mat 7:3-5 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Jesus tells us to rid ourselves of hypocrisy so that we can judge others.

As far as Jesus' stance towards organized religion:

“Many will say to me: ‘Lord, did we not prophesy, expel demons, & perform many powerful works in your name?’ Yet I will confess to them: 'I never knew you! Get away from me', you workers of lawlessness." ~Matthew 7:21-23

Jesus isn't talking about organised religion here. He is talking about people who prophesied, exorcised demons and performed wonders yet deep down don't know God.

teaching for doctrines the commandments of men

In other words, teaching the commandments of men as though they were God's commandments. Jesus had nothing against God's commandments being taught.

Mat 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

"“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness. In that way you also, outwardly indeed, appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." ~Matthew 23:27,28

Read the passage in context. Jesus still expected people to obey the Pharisees.

Mat 7:1-3 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

"...[Jesus] went on to say to them:
“You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above.
You are from this world; I am not from this world." ~John 8:23

Men are from earth, Jesus is from heaven. Nothing about organised religion here.

It was the Church that acted against Jesus in His day, who looked for reasons to condemn Him, and them that called to Pontius Pilate for the release of a murderer, ensuring the Crucifixion of Jesus.

It was the Jews who acted against Jesus.

1 Thess 2:14-15 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

Jesus preached that every person should follow God in their own way, and was very much against organized religion.

He taught He was the only way to God.

Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

You must understand that in the original Hebrew, "Church" does not refer to a building, but simply a place of worship.

What is the Hebrew word for church? Do tell. The Greek word for church is Kyriakon, which means "Lord's house."

[ThisguyWillnotBeSaved]

Re: Devout

You do realize that Jesus was Jewish, right?

[ThisguyWillnotBeSaved]

Re: Devout

Nope, he's definitely schooling you. Even the Jesus-haters around here know Scripture better than you.

Try reading the Bible cover-to-cover and stop trying to Google your way to salvation.

YiC,

Zech

Yeah, because his entire post was not at all riddled with sarcasm and mocking the way you think and interpret the scriptures.

Maybe you shouldn't try to hate and prejudice your way to salvation, I very much doubt that will work. Do, pray tell, why the word "neighbor" in the Bible would not extend to Africans and Middle Easterners when much of the Bible takes place in Egypt and Israel?

The amount of racial slurs on the website is over 9000.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Devout

I feel there is nothing to be gained from the Book of Judges, wherein Samson removes the foreskins of 1000 Pharisees.

You've either got a very bad memory or you've never read Judges.

The majority of the Old Testament and Mose's Law is irrelevant, Jesus denied Mose's Law himself in John 8:7.

You can’t be a Christian if you don’t believe the Old Testament.

You do realize that Jesus was Jewish, right?

Is that all you can come back with? (I think you were replying to me, anyway.)

[Didymus Much]

Re: Devout

You are not schooling me on anything, only showing your ignorance.

For your attempted (and baseless) insult to have any effect, I'd have to respect your judgement.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Devout

...Maybe you shouldn't try to hate and prejudice your way to salvation, I very much doubt that will work...

Read the Bible (the WHOLE THING, this time, it's not really that big of a book), and ease your doubts.

...Do, pray tell, why the word "neighbor" in the Bible would not extend to Africans and Middle Easterners when much of the Bible takes place in Egypt and Israel?...

Because Jesus said so (in the sermon I linked to, the "Who are our neighbours..." one; you did read it, didn't you?).

...The amount of racial slurs on the website is over 9000.

They're trying, I'll give 'em that.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Devout

You are an egocentric one, aren't you? You honestly believe that there cannot possibly be life on other planets?
Have you ever looked up at night? Those are not light bulbs, those are gigantic nuclear explosions trillions of trillions of miles away, and there are trillions of trillions of them. Too many to count.

Secularist lies! Stars are small enough to fall to the earth. And the sun is not a star, according to God's Holy Word, which you don't believe in, but you somehow believe in Jesus' teachings.

You probably believe in evilution and aliens seeding this planet.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Devout

...I am trolling oppan gangnam style.

You really think so?

Standards have fallen so far.

Some day you'll (hopefully, but I won't hold my breath) realize just how foolish you've been.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Devout

“Many will say to me: ‘Lord, did we not prophesy, expel demons, & perform many powerful works in your name?’ Yet I will confess to them: 'I never knew you! Get away from me', you workers of lawlessness." ~Matthew 7:21-23

Amen! No false Christians will get into heaven. Only those who both do and believe.

"You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you: ‘This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping... because *they teach commands of men* as doctrines.’” ~Matthew 15:7,8

Do you understand what this is referring to in context? Jesus is verbally chastising the Pharisees for following the oral commandment to wash your hands before eating when they refuse to make children obey their parents at the point of death as the Old Testament commands. Jesus is saying the exact opposite of the point you were trying to make here.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. (Old Testament Law Jesus is saying should be upheld)

5 But ye say, (through your own private interpretation) Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. (You nullify the Old Testament by not taking care of your parents by the private interpretation that you can give money to the temple instead.)

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Jesus is telling the Pharisees to uphold every word from the Bible.

"“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness. In that way you also, outwardly indeed, appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." ~Matthew 23:27,28

Again, this scripture is saying the exact opposite of what your are claiming. This is part of Jesus' rebuke to the Pharisees for not following the Old Testament laws while expecting others to.

Please see Matthew 23 in CONTEXT!

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: (the place of honor in God's eyes)

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Jesus preached that every person should follow God in their own way, and was very much against organized religion. You must understand that in the original Hebrew, "Church" does not refer to a building, but simply a place of worship.

The word church comes from Hebrew?
It is the Greek word ekklēsia or as the spics call it iglesia.

And no. Jesus did not preach against organized religion. He wanted them to follow His father's teachings.

[ThisguyWillnotBeSaved]

Re: Devout

Secularist lies! Stars are small enough to fall to the earth. And the sun is not a star, according to God's Holy Word, which you don't believe in, but you somehow believe in Jesus' teachings.

You probably believe in evilution and aliens seeding this planet.

... What is it like inside your head? I imagine cramped.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Devout

... What is it like inside your head? I imagine cramped.

And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.

I have rendered the God mocker speechless. He knows he cannot contend with God's Word.

[ThisguyWillnotBeSaved]

Re: Devout

And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.

I have rendered the God mocker speechless. He knows he cannot contend with God's Word.

I am only speechless at your stupidity. I know that in the face of proof that the Earth is far older than 6,000 years, or that evolution is real, you will undoubtedly ignore the facts, spit out some racial slur, and proceed to fling your poop at the monitor.

I don't understand why these things have to be separate to people like you. Is it that hard to believe in evolution and Jesus? Or to think that MAYBE in this vast universe of ours, God does not base his timetable on that of the Earth's?

I do not mock God, I mock you. You are not God.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Devout

I am only speechless at your stupidity. I know that in the face of proof that the Earth is far older than 6,000 years, or that evolution is real, you will undoubtedly ignore the facts, spit out some racial slur, and proceed to fling your poop at the monitor.

I don't understand why these things have to be separate to people like you. Is it that hard to believe in evolution and Jesus? Or to think that MAYBE in this vast universe of ours, God does not base his timetable on that of the Earth's?

I do not mock God, I mock you. You are not God.

I'm going to give you one more chance to dispense with the poor manners. If you can't be civil, you will be asked to leave.

Last warning.

YiC,

Zech

[Oneofakind]

Re: Devout

I.e. you refer to (tiny bits of) the Bible when it suits your purposes, and feel completely justified in ignoring the rest.

And then you call others hypocrites!

Where the h*** are they coming from this week? It's comedy fargin' gold!

I can't make heads or tails of you.. are you a literalist, a Christian, a modernist, or just here because these Baptists are so crazy that its almost addictive. I just can't wait to hear the next shit to come out there mouth..

Perhaps proof that Lucifer is Mexican.

[Oneofakind]

Re: Devout

I am only speechless at your stupidity. I know that in the face of proof that the Earth is far older than 6,000 years, or that evolution is real, you will undoubtedly ignore the facts, spit out some racial slur, and proceed to fling your poop at the monitor.

I don't understand why these things have to be separate to people like you. Is it that hard to believe in evolution and Jesus? Or to think that MAYBE in this vast universe of ours, God does not base his timetable on that of the Earth's?

I do not mock God, I mock you. You are not God.

Don't forget that they still believe the earth is flat.. I think thats the worst one.