[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: I guess I'll introduce myself.

Hm, alright. For your information, I live in a wealthy familiy. We've donated money to charity several times up to a worth of 100k Dollars. And no one in my family believes in god. Are we still hellbound scums? How many people have you helped in your life? Jerk.

If you can't make your points without resorting to childish insults, you will be asked to leave.

And yes, if you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Personal Savior, you (and your family) are going to Hell.

<--- you

Go check out John 3:16-18.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

Re: I guess I'll introduce myself.

Hello and welcome, Jonatan!

When you look around the world in which you live, is it not obvious without even having to think that all of the wonders you see could not possibly have arisen by random chance, guided only by natural laws?

The only way something can come from nothing is by creation. Given that there had to be a time when there was nothing, and now there is something is proof of creation, right?

Okay, so we have firmly established that there must be a creator...but which of the countless creators posited by the various religions around the world is correct, if any?

This is where faith swoops in to save the day. The Holy Bible defines faith as follows:

Hebrews 11:1 (1611 King James Bible)

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the euidence of things not seen.

Does God make himself explicitly known, so that faith is obsolete? Of course not. God wants us to have to abandon rational thought and take that leap of faith. We must in fact become fools in order to become wise:

1 Corinthians 3:18 (1611 King James Bible)

Let no man deceiue himselfe: If any man among you seemeth to bee wise in this world, let him become a foole, that he may be wise.

See, you are simply not going to reason God into existence, you must abandon all reasoning and use the power of faith instead to know God is real and that His message given in The Bible (KJV 1611) is the inerrant truth.

2 Timothy 3:16 (1611 King James Bible)

All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction, for instrution in righteousnesse,

It is this leap of faith that God treasures so greatly. If you can say "NO!" to the wickedness of reason and use the sheer power of blind faith instead to know God, then you have truly pleased Him.

Once you have embraced faith, all things are possible. You can then see why hell is absolutely necessary to punish the sin we all inherit but few abandon, why the temporary suicidal sacrifice of God to Himself to cleanse the filth of sin was necessary, and why your faith that Jesus is your savior is necessary.

Won't you abandon reason and accept Jesus today, friend?

[thecuriosity]

Re: I guess I'll introduce myself.

If you can't make your points without resorting to childish insults, you will be asked to leave.

And yes, if you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Personal Savior, you (and your family) are going to Hell.

<--- you

Go check out John 3:16-18.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

I didn't ask of you to actually believe me, just saying how it is. So, let me get this clear. If I were to cure cancer and aids, but yet still did not believe in god, he would not allow me into heaven? Doesn't that make him really selfish? Yeah, sounds like a great guy.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Doesn't that make you angry?

No, because I don't read them through the eyes of the flesh, but through the eyes of the Spirit. We are all equal before the LORD in that we are all born into sin, a disgusting condition that angers and repulses Him. You see, Jesus is the Living Water, but in comparison, we are like... a sewage plant. Who refreshes themselves on a lovely summer's day by swimming in raw sewage?



But when JESUS lives in us, then how the LORD can tolerate us! When JESUS lives in us, we are made into new creatures (Corinthians 5:17). You might say we are animated by JESUS. God loves us because God sees in us, Himself, so, in a way, He is pleasuring Himself through us! For that reason, I am honored to be obedient unto my husband, as this is what JESUS wants from me (Ephesians 5:22-24). These medals that you see aren't trophies of abuse, but images that convey the love the husband has for keeping his wife on the straight and narrow path, and that, my friend, is how peace works (Hebrews 12:11). You can find out more, here: Christian Domestic Discipline.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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I didn't ask of you to actually believe me, just saying how it is. So, let me get this clear. If I were to cure cancer and aids, but yet still did not believe in god, he would not allow me into heaven? Doesn't that make him really selfish? Yeah, sounds like a great guy.

Correct.

Good grief, the reading comprehension of these Jesus-haters is awful. This is all written plain as day in Scripture.

Also: cancer and the AIDS were sent by Jesus as punishments, so be careful with that.

YiC,

Zech

[thecuriosity]

Re: I guess I'll introduce myself.

Hello and welcome, Jonatan!

When you look around the world in which you live, is it not obvious without even having to think that all of the wonders you see could not possibly have arisen by random chance, guided only by natural laws?

The only way something can come from nothing is by creation. Given that there had to be a time when there was nothing, and now there is something is proof of creation, right?

Okay, so we have firmly established that there must be a creator...but which of the countless creators posited by the various religions around the world is correct, if any?

This is where faith swoops in to save the day. The Holy Bible defines faith as follows:

Does God make himself explicitly known, so that faith is obsolete? Of course not. God wants us to have to abandon rational thought and take that leap of faith. We must in fact become fools in order to become wise:

See, you are simply not going to reason God into existence, you must abandon all reasoning and use the power of faith instead to know God is real and that His message given in The Bible (KJV 1611) is the inerrant truth.

It is this leap of faith that God treasures so greatly. If you can say "NO!" to the wickedness of reason and use the sheer power of blind faith instead to know God, then you have truly pleased Him.

Once you have embraced faith, all things are possible. You can then see why hell is absolutely necessary to punish the sin we all inherit but few abandon, why the temporary suicidal sacrifice of God to Himself to cleanse the filth of sin was necessary, and why your faith that Jesus is your savior is necessary.

Won't you abandon reason and accept Jesus today, friend?

Hm, yes, I agree with you. It does seems kind of weird having this perfectly created word doesn't it? But, would you trust me if I told you that there's 1million dollars waiting for you at the end of the north pole? Even if I had written a book about it? No, you wouldn't. And that's the case here. How can a "god" ask of me to believe in him when there's 0 existenz of him? And, backing up again to the "how could the world be so perfectly created" part, we have theories for it that resembles to some kind if proof! We even have proof how we humans came to be. Proof Mark, proof. And why should I believe less in that and more in your god? How can you know when you've never been to heaven, and not even the bible can tell how it really looks inside it? (retarded question I know, except the bible part but it still stands as a factor)

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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Hm, yes, I agree with you. It does seems kind of weird having this perfectly created word doesn't it? But, would you trust me if I told you that there's 1million dollars waiting for you at the end of the north pole? Even if I had written a book about it? No, you wouldn't. And that's the case here. How can a "god" ask of me to believe in him when there's 0 existenz of him? And, backing up again to the "how could the world be so perfectly created" part, we have theories for it that resembles to some kind if proof! We even have proof how we humans came to be. Proof Mark, proof. And why should I believe less in that and more in your god? How can you know when you've never been to heaven, and not even the bible can tell how it really looks inside it? (retarded question I know, except the bible part but it still stands as a factor)

You are still trying to think. Don't think, just believe.

I have no reason to believe any books or conjectures written by man on how the universe came into existence. Have you truly examined the nonsense known as modern cosmology? I have, and in depth, and I can tell you theoretical physicists are mired down in a "tar baby" of epic proportions. It is truly an embarrassment of modern physics that there are two main theories, general relativity and quantum mechanics, which are inconsistent with one another and so neither is correct.

The more they struggle, the more deeply mired they become. The layer upon layer of increasing complexity is staggering, when all they have to do is lay down their advanced mathematics of Calabi-Yau manifolds and open their Bibles to see how it all works.

[thecuriosity]

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You are still trying to think. Don't think, just believe.

I have no reason to believe any books or conjectures written by man on how the universe came into existence. Have you truly examined the nonsense known as modern cosmology? I have, and in depth, and I can tell you theoretical physicists are mired down in a "tar baby" of epic proportions. It is truly an embarrassment of modern physics that there are two main theories, general relativity and quantum mechanics, which are inconsistent with one another and so neither is correct.

The more they struggle, the more deeply mired they become. The layer upon layer of increasing complexity is staggering, when all they have to do is lay down their advanced mathematics of Calabi-Yau manifolds and open their Bibles to see how it all works.

"I have no reason to believe any books or conjectures written by man on how the universe came into existence"

But uh... The bible was also written by men. Several. There's even two different testaments. Explain that, please...

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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"I have no reason to believe any books or conjectures written by man on how the universe came into existence"

But uh... The bible was also written by men. Several. There's even two different testaments. Explain that, please...

Those men were divinely inspired to write the Word of God. 2 Timothy 3:16

[Russell Holbeck]

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There's even two different testaments. Explain that, please...

Hello thecuriosity.

I do not understand this just because you have two of something does not make one of them wrong for instance I had two hunting dogs. One of them died from eating some rotten shrimp heads and one died from a rifle I thought he had rabies but he was just thirsty it was a mistake.

But when I had two hunting dogs one was not made invalid by the other hunting dog that does not even make sense.

Thank you.

Rusty

[thecuriosity]

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Hello thecuriosity.

I do not understand this just because you have two of something does not make one of them wrong for instance I had two hunting dogs. One of them died from eating some rotten shrimp heads and one died from a rifle I thought he had rabies but he was just thirsty it was a mistake.

But when I had two hunting dogs one was not made invalid by the other hunting dog that does not even make sense.

Thank you.

Rusty

Hm, good answer, one of the most legit I have recieved on this site. But, there still exists 2 different testaments. Why are there 2? Well, obviously because the first one wasn't right OR it was bad in a way that mankind did not like. (there's more to why the 2nd testament was created but I don't wish to go into detail). So mankind created another one. But that raises another question. If the bible was written by god, then who could possibly have rewritten gods book? A human? Hm, but then, wouldn't it have made sense that a man wrote the bible and not a god?

[thecuriosity]

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Those men were divinely inspired to write the Word of God. 2 Timothy 3:16

So what, were they there with god? Did god tell them what to write, and if he was, why would he tell different persons and not one? How can you not wonder about things like this. It's stunning, really. Would you walk across an open field of flame if it stood in the bible?

Oh, btw, I just noticed that you have a "title" called "Tell her once". Your daughters and wife must be really proud of you. Go ahead, google if it's okay to oppress women. And I can see from your picture that you're a teacher, I might be mistaken, I might not be. Do you treat female students with respect or do you just smack them when they don't do as you say? I've seen a lot of members here saying it's okay to let your daughter(s) get raped by guests if they loose their virginity before marriage. Are you one of those as well? You must be a proud man of god, it's funny really. You people on this website. You amaze me. I read today about a father who's son had lost his penis. The father was so ashamed. He later on wrote that he had told his son that he is going to hell for not having a penis, he also added that his son hadn't been eating for a week. And, as serious as the father is i'm guessing the child is too, and the child will either take suicide or find another solution. All because of a religious father. But religion is about love and care, right? As for the child I'm guessing suicide. You all, on this website, are a bunch of fanatic murderers, oppressors, racists, hypocritical, perverted bastards. And the sad thing really is that you can't see it. Blinded by your book. Thinking that you're doing it for some "god" who'll let you into heaven. How can you not see that the bible is a trick for controlling people? Do you even know why the bible contains laws and morals? Just think about it. Let it sink in. It's because before there were any real laws, laws that we live with today, there wasn't any. And the bible was the best way to create control. Did you know that here in Sweden, when religion was at its peak, we had priests that forced the people to pay taxes to the church otherwise they'd go to hell. Luckily our king back then saw the wickedness in this and forbid it. Doesn't this make you think? Doesn't this make you see? . Religon is, and will always be a powertool to control and use people. To create order. Because people back then did not understand A THING about the world! But now we do! It's 2014 and we're still living with religion. But sure, keep on living in your bubble. And you people think that the world was created 6000 years ago. But oh, where does the dinosaurs fit in with all this? Or are you going to reject that too? We have STRONG proof that the world is millions and millions years old. You can't deny that. But, as always, like I said before, religion is deceptive and manipulating. Written by men for men, hence the title "tell her once". Religion is for the weak minded. And oh, in the year 2020 the world will begin to send up people to march so that they can start living there. Imagine that. Your grand grand grand children not living on space. You think their bible will go with them? I think it'll stay here on earth, and boy am I glad for that.

[thecuriosity]

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Not living on earth, but in space* Of course.

[Didymus Much]

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I, a saved CHRISTIAN, do not need to explain myself to unsaved hellbound scum like you.

No, but being able to (while supporting all of your points with appropriate Scripture) seems to help when it comes to getting rid of that "Unsaved Trash" label you're currently wearing.

Just an observation.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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I have change what you wrote just a bit, out of respect for God. God refers to the One True God™, while the word god is an improper noun referring to silly deities created by people out of ignorance. Any pronouns referring to God should be treated as a proper noun as well.

So what, were they there with God?

God is omnipresent, so God is always here with each and every one of us.

Jeremiah 23:24 (1611 King James Bible)

Can any hide himselfe in secret places that I shall not see him, saith the Lord ? doe not I fill heauen and earth, sayth the Lord ?

Did God tell them what to write, and if He was, why would He tell different persons and not one?

Yes, the Holy Scriptures are divinely inspired, given by God to the men who actually penned the words.

Suppose you are writing a book and your pens last for one hour each. You will have to periodically discard them and pick up a fresh pen, right? To God, who exists outside of spacetime and the causual order, the lifespan of a man is very brief.

James 4:14 (1611 King James Bible)

Whereas yee know not what shalbe on the morow: for what is your life? It is euen a vapour that appeareth for a litle time, and then vanisheth away.

How can you not wonder about things like this. It's stunning, really. Would you walk across an open field of flame if it stood in the Bible?

You haven't been listening to me. You do not think or wonder...you close off that part of your mind and open up your heart to faith. And if my Bible was on fire, I would quickly dowse the flame.

Oh, btw, I just noticed that you have a "title" called "Tell her once". Your daughters and wife must be really proud of you. Go ahead, google if it's okay to oppress women. And I can see from your picture that you're a teacher, I might be mistaken, I might not be. Do you treat female students with respect or do you just smack them when they don't do as you say?

Thankfully, I have no daughters. I have three sons. My wife was raised by a True Christian™ father, and so she knows it is my duty to discipline her. As my father did, I do so in front of my sons to teach them how a good husband lovingly beats his wife for transgressions.

1 Peter 3:1 (1611 King James Bible)

Likewise, ye wiues, be in subiection to your owne husbands, that if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be wonne by the conuersation of the wiues:

God is explicitly telling us men to dominate, oppress and be the masters of our wives.

I am not a tenured professor, but I am frequently asked to be a guest speaker at various Baptist Colleges to speak on Theomathematics. Very few students are female, and those that are know how to behave properly and respect their betters.

I've seen a lot of members here saying it's okay to let your daughter(s) get raped by guests if they loose their virginity before marriage. Are you one of those as well? You must be a proud man of God, it's funny really.

We proudly and unashamedly follow the Word of God™ here.

2 Timothy 2:15 (1611 King James Bible)

Studie to shewe thy selfe approued vnto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly diuiding the word of trueth.

You people on this website. You amaze me.

Matthew 5:16 (1611 King James Bible)

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good workes, and glorifie your father which is in heauen.

I read today about a father who's son had lost his penis. The father was so ashamed. He later on wrote that he had told his son that he is going to hell for not having a penis, he also added that his son hadn't been eating for a week. And, as serious as the father is i'm guessing the child is too, and the child will either take suicide or find another solution. All because of a religious father. But religion is about love and care, right? As for the child I'm guessing suicide.

Wouldn't you be ashamed if your son's disobedience caused him to go to hell? The only thing to do though is to distance oneself from such sin. For it is written:

James 2:10 (1611 King James Bible)

For whosoeuer shall keepe the whole Law, & yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

You all, on this website, are a bunch of fanatic murderers, oppressors, racists, hypocritical, perverted bastards.

We are True Christians™. Your hatred and persecution only serves to bless us further. You only bring shame upon yourself:

1 Peter 3:16 (1611 King James Bible)

Hauing a good conscience, that whereas they speake euill of you, as of euill doers, they may bee ashamed that falsly accuse your good conuersation in Christ.

And the sad thing really is that you can't see it. Blinded by your book.

Son, you are the one who is blind, living in ignorance and darkness. Ponder this:

Acts 7:51 (1611 King James Bible)

¶ Ye stifnecked and vncircumcised in heart, and eares, ye doe alwayes resist the holy Ghost? as your fathers did, so doe ye.

Thinking that you're doing it for God who'll let you into heaven. How can you not see that the bible is a trick for controlling people? Do you even know why the bible contains laws and morals? Just think about it. Let it sink in. It's because before there were any real laws, laws that we live with today, there wasn't any. And the bible was the best way to create control. Did you know that here in Sweden, when religion was at its peak, we had priests that forced the people to pay taxes to the church otherwise they'd go to hell. Luckily our king back then saw the wickedness in this and forbid it. Doesn't this make you think? Doesn't this make you see? . Religon is, and will always be a powertool to control and use people. To create order. Because people back then did not understand A THING about the world! But now we do! It's 2014 and we're still living with religion. But sure, keep on living in your bubble. And you people think that the world was created 6000 years ago. But oh, where does the dinosaurs fit in with all this? Or are you going to reject that too? We have STRONG proof that the world is millions and millions years old. You can't deny that. But, as always, like I said before, religion is deceptive and manipulating. Written by men for men, hence the title "tell her once". Religion is for the weak minded. And oh, in the year 2020 the world will begin to send up people to march so that they can start living there. Imagine that. Your grand grand grand children not living on space. You think their bible will go with them? I think it'll stay here on earth, and boy am I glad for that.

God is the giver of moral law. His laws save us from our own depravity, transmuted to us from generation to generation all the way back to Adam and Eve.

Isaiah 33:22 (1611 King James Bible)

For the Lord is our Iudge, the Lord is our Lawgiuer, the Lord is our King, he wil saue vs.

As for the age of the universe, you need to do some research here on God's forum. All you doubts will be trampled and your questions answered.

Just remember, close your mind and open your heart.