[Granelli]

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You seem like a logical fellow, so answer me this: If Jesus wants us to preach our views (as we both agree that He does via Matthew 28:19-20), then don't you think He would want nothing more for His children than to use whatever power and influence they have (legally and otherwise) to promote Biblical change???

I'm sure we'll both agree that the answer can only be yes.

Regards,

Pastor Ed

I can totally see your point, me myself obviously disagree but I can see why you think that. Everything is how you want to see it, or how you have been told or how your surroundings see it. It can be interpret in many different ways.

The biggest thing that we have between us is that I think how a human feel or how I make others feel is important since I dont beleive in any god that can judge me, so just other people can judge me. You guys think how other people feels comes second.

But I still dont see were all the racism comes from? there is nothing about racism in the bible. How can this map be posted here and everybody praise the one that made it?

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=13233

How can everyone like it when they actually not know anything about the countries?

[James Hutchins]

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Actually USA got founded on atheist principles. There is nothing in your constitution that says anything about christianity except freedom from it. When USA got free from UK that was one big thing they wanted to change from how it was in the UK, they wanted freedom of religion.

No friend, you are very wrong. We fled the heathens who were persecuting us for wanting to be Christians. To this very day, people like you continue to persecute us. God tells us that your cruelties are a blessing and a confirmation of His Love for us.
Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

Romans 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

1 Corinthians 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

[James Hutchins]

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Evfen if that site was true (which it's not) The constitution does not even mention christianity. It actually forbids a official church!

Friend, the constitution was written some 300 years(!!!!!!!!) after we Christians came to Gods Promised land.

[James Hutchins]

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I can totally see your point, me myself obviously disagree but I can see why you think that. Everything is how you want to see it, or how you have been told or how your surroundings see it. It can be interpret in many different ways.

The biggest thing that we have between us is that I think how a human feel or how I make others feel is important since I dont beleive in any god that can judge me, so just other people can judge me. You guys think how other people feels comes second.

But I still dont see were all the racism comes from? there is nothing about racism in the bible. How can this map be posted here and everybody praise the one that made it?

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=13233

How can everyone like it when they actually not know anything about the countries?

Lets take a look in the Bible, shall we?
Genesis 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
Genesis 9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Genesis 34:1 And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land.
Genesis 34:2 And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.

Numbers 25:6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Numbers 25:7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;
Numbers 25:8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 7:3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Judges 3:5 And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites:
Judges 3:6 And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods.
Judges 3:7 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves.

1st Kings 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
1st Kings 11:2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

Proverbs 23:27 For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit.
Proverbs 23:28 She also lieth in wait as for a prey, and increaseth the transgressors among men.
[...]
Proverbs 23:33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.

Ezra 9:2 For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.

Ezra 10:2 And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing.
Ezra 10:3 Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.
[...]
Ezra 10:10 And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel.
Ezra 10:11 Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives.
[...]
Ezra 10:17 And they made an end with all the men that had taken strange wives by the first day of the first month.

Nehemiah 9:2 And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers.

Nehemiah 13:3 Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude.

Nehemiah 13:23 In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab:
Nehemiah 13:24 And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.
Nehemiah 13:25 And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves.
Nehemiah 13:26 Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin.
Nehemiah 13:27 Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?
Nehemiah 13:28 And one of the sons of Joiada, the son of Eliashib the high priest, was son in law to Sanballat the Horonite: therefore I chased him from me.
Nehemiah 13:29 Remember them, O my God, because they have defiled the priesthood, and the covenant of the priesthood, and of the Levites.
Nehemiah 13:30 Thus cleansed I them from all strangers, and appointed the wards of the priests and the Levites, every one in his business;

Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
( "prove" that Negroes don't have a soul.)

Song of Solomon 1:6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
(Negroes are lazy.)

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Jeremiah 50:37 A sword is upon their horses, and upon their chariots, and upon all the mingled people that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures; and they shall be robbed.

Ezekiel 30:5 Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
[...]
Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
(Jesus called the Canaan woman a dog.)

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

[Basilissa]

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Evfen if that site was true (which it's not)

Did you check all 143 references cited on that website in order to reach this conclusion?

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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I can totally see your point, me myself obviously disagree but I can see why you think that. Everything is how you want to see it, or how you have been told or how your surroundings see it. It can be interpret in many different ways.

The biggest thing that we have between us is that I think how a human feel or how I make others feel is important since I dont beleive in any god that can judge me, so just other people can judge me. You guys think how other people feels comes second.

But I still dont see were all the racism comes from? there is nothing about racism in the bible. How can this map be posted here and everybody praise the one that made it?

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=13233

How can everyone like it when they actually not know anything about the countries?

I made a perfectly valid and logical point and you had to come along and wig out by spouting "everything is how you want to see it" nonsense. Just when I thought you were going to be smarter than most atheists.

What a loser.