[Attila's Wife]

Re: Good Evening

I am indeed married, and proud father of three strapping young Soldiers. I also have...two, I think, daughters. I'm not entirely certain, it could be three.

Congratulations on the boys. As for the girls, with their high-pitched shrieking it is often difficult to tell if you have 2, 3, 4 or just a flock of seagulls. I hope for your sake it is only 2. Does your wife homeschool them? Or do you do this in the evenings when you return from your job as a teacher?

This from the Prime Minister who passed a law making gay marriage compulsory. He and I have wildly different views on the meaning of the word "Christian"

Well indeed, hence the sarcastic italics in my use of the word "dear". My son had instructed me to vote for the UK Independence Party in the next election, as 6 months ago they were emphasizing their commitment to "muscular Christianity", but now even they want to abolish Christian marriage and encourage those BLT perverts to join them. Without the support of Landover Baptist, I think I would despair.

[James Ashton]

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I homeschool my boys in the evenings. I assume my wife schools the daughters (I checked by the way and it is two. God be praised) but honestly I've never really looked in to it. It's possible she doesn't. Both can cook though, I've made sure of that.


And yes, I missed your sarcasm. Colour me embarrassed. There is a growing alternative in the Christian Party. It's a sad state of affairs though when a party is forced to advertise themselves as standing for Christian values rather than that simply being the default assumption. It's telling that all of the major parties feel inserting "Satanist" into their name would be redundant.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Welcome to God's favorite forum!

I don't trust the Christian Party. They have a lot of Scottish and Welch members so they are probably too drunk to understand their Bibles.

[James Ashton]

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Hopefully in September the Lord will take mercy on us and Scotland will leave us alone. The end of that unequal yoke will be exquisite for so many reasons it almost seems like overkill to add "Removing the majority of the alcoholics from the Christian Party"

[Attila's Wife]

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Hopefully in September the Lord will take mercy on us and Scotland will leave us alone.

We can but pray, Brother James. I hope I may so address you, by the way? Although we hardly know each other, we seem to have much in common.

The end of that unequal yoke will be exquisite for so many reasons it almost seems like overkill to add "Removing the majority of the alcoholics from the Christian Party"

Not to mention the daemonic gingers, the men in skirts and the satanic bagpipes (surely named after and modeled on an intimate area of the male anatomy).

Do you happen to know whether the Christian Party's manifesto includes returning Wales to its Baptist roots, with compulsory chapel and the closure of public houses on Sundays? Because, despite the stunted stature and excessive hirsuteness of its people, a mere 50 years ago Wales was a (comparatively) Godly nation. If they could only learn that sheep are for shearing and eating, there might be hope for them.

[James Ashton]

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You can refer to me however you wish, Attila's Wife. But I'm afraid I don't know the full answer to your question and, worse yet, I am not going to find out. I try to limit how long I spend thinking about/discussing/acknowledging the existence of/etc Wales each day and I'm perilously close to that limit. I'm not a doctor and can't say for sure that inserting unneeded "L"s into words is definitely contagious, but I simply don't want to risk it.


I do know that they wish to change Wales' symbol from a dragon - a Satanic image - to a Cross, though, which surely bodes well for Wales

[Attila's Wife]

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I'm not a doctor and can't say for sure that inserting unneeded "L"s into words is definitely contagious, but I simply don't want to risk it.

I think the double-L isn't, of itself, contagious - in the sense that I have heard it done but never picked up the habit. However, it is contagious in the sense that spitting out of both sides of your mouth is bound to spread airborne diseases, including the Aids.

I do know that they wish to change Wales' symbol from a dragon - a Satanic image - to a Cross, though, which surely bodes well for Wales

I had not heard of this, but here is the story.

The Welsh Christian Party says having a red dragon - an animal it believes symbolises the devil - on the national flag is at odds with Wales' position as a Christian nation. It is calling for the flag which has officially been in place since 1959, to be replaced with the black and gold cross of St David.
The party's leader, the Rev George Hargreaves, said, "We will not allow this evil symbol of the devil to reign over Wales for another moment."

GLORY!!!! But the problem is, the Rev George Hargreaves is no longer leader of the party - was he even British, let alone English? - and his successor, Jeff Green, seems to be an American basketball player and so probably ineligible for election.


It is all very worrying.



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[James Ashton]

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From that same article (emphasis mine):

Welsh historian John Davies said, "What's the point of changing it now?
"It's been part of our tradition for more than 1,500 years, while the flag of St David has a much more specific remit.
"There are a large number of flags that are tricolour and so they don't stand out.
"But when you see the Welsh flag you know what it is. It's recognisable in the same way the Union Jack or Stars and Stripes are."
According to Mr Davies, the dragon pre-dates the Christian era, dating back 1,500 years.

Mr Davies is, arguably, not the best historian the world has ever seen.


Regardless. Rev. George Hargreaves is something of a tragic figure. He wrote a song entitled "So Macho", an innocent little ditty meant to extol the merits of a healthy male body (all the better for berating sinners with). The homosexual community though latched on to it for reasons I, with a mind not polluted by anal sex, couldn't begin to understand. You can see the video over here though, be warned, it contains a negress.


Jeff Green, I know less about. A basketball player as you say and, obviously, a negro. I see he plays for Boston - which is holy enough that muslims chose to attack it. But also plays for the Celtics, a name inextricably entwined with paganism, leprechauns and religious/sectarian hatred. It's tough to tell, really. I do note that none of his career statistics are 666(though his RPG in the 08/08 season was terrifyingly close), so if he is demon possessed he's clearly trying to hide it.

[Elmer G. White]

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This thread is most informative! Bless Attila's wife for interesting comments! I also once visited Wales and the Celtic heathens taught me the curse that is supposedly a place name: "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch". 4 "L":s in a row! I have tried and prayed to forget this word but it clings to my brain and I sometimes wake up at night in sweat thinking about it... I wish assistance in the form of prayer to get rid of this.

I was also delighted of the discussion on home schooling. I've home schooled by 4 boys now for 6-7 years. While the concept is OK I wonder if my curriculum is righteous?
- Bible study 60%
- Creation science (flood geology, Biblical cosmology, baraminology etc.) 20%
- Subservience 10%
- Readin', writin' 'n' cipherin' 10%.

We've replaced Creation Science with domestic classes (cookery, marital duties, cleaning) for the 2 girls, obviously.

I've been wondering if the time allocated to Bible study is outrageously low?

God's grace be upon you all!

Elmer

[Mother Of Seven]

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- Bible study 60%
- Creation science (flood geology, Biblical cosmology, baraminology etc.) 20%
- Subservience 10%
- Readin', writin' 'n' cipherin' 10%.

We've replaced Creation Science with domestic classes (cookery, marital duties, cleaning) for the 2 girls, obviously.

I've been wondering if the time allocated to Bible study is outrageously low?

God's grace be upon you all!

Elmer

Well, reading and writing is presumably reading the Bible and transcribing the Bible. Subservience must also be straight from the Bible, as is most of Creation Science. I am surprised though, that you have no time allocated to the boys for hunting and shooting classes.

[Elmer G. White]

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Mother of Seven, I am so sorry. I did not include hunting and firearms in the curriculum as we mostly do that outside school hours. Of course, the boys also earn some money at a local construction site 6 days a week (is it true that the 5-day week is a Satanic conspiracy?). Certainly, the reading classes consist of KJV and the cipherin' is to follow the steps of Ussher chronology so that the boys can defend the Truth against heathens!

Thank you for your kind reply and your instructions and God Bless You and your worthy husband!

Yours,

Elmer

[James Ashton]

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I was also delighted of the discussion on home schooling. I've home schooled by 4 boys now for 6-7 years. While the concept is OK I wonder if my curriculum is righteous?
- Bible study 60%
- Creation science (flood geology, Biblical cosmology, baraminology etc.) 20%
- Subservience 10%
- Readin', writin' 'n' cipherin' 10%.

We've replaced Creation Science with domestic classes (cookery, marital duties, cleaning) for the 2 girls, obviously.

I've been wondering if the time allocated to Bible study is outrageously low?

A few comments if I might:


Creation Science: A few issues here. 1) At their age, I doubt there is little of Creation Science that they could understand beyond that which is laid out so clearly in the Bible. 2) It is essential for young children to have a firm understanding of the basics - for example, imagine this situation. One of your children becomes a Flood Geologist. They stumble upon some of the evidence planted by God to test our faith. Without a firm understanding of the correct way to view all things, might they not be tempted to use the evidence of their own eyes before that of the Bible? Flood Geology and so on is important, but only after you can be sure that the baseline understanding of the world is in place. 3) This is perhaps just a personal issue, but I always feel that teaching children science - even Creation Science - is brainwashing them somehow. It's teaching children that science is important and valuable. Forcing your own opinions on children is wrong. Why not just instruct them in what God says and let them come to appropriately vetted conclusions themselves?



In essence, I believe the time spent on Creation Science would be more profitably spent on Bible Studies.


Subservience: Subservience is doubtlessly important. But it does raise a question? Who are they to be subservient to? There are a number of groups the Bible mentions, that they learn about in Bible Studies. So having a separate subservience class is evidence of either 1) covering the same material in two different classes or 2) teaching subservience to groups that aren't Biblically sanctioned. I'm sure you wouldn't be teaching aBiblicial lessons, so 1) is likely the case. This seems inefficient.


In essence, I believe the time spent on Subservience would be more profitably spent on Bible Studies.


Readin', writin' 'n' cipherin': I struggle to see how these are skills in their own right. Reading applies solely to the Bible, for example. All the Reading one could want to learn can be learnt from reading the Bible, and so is covered in Bible Studies. Ditto for the others.


In essence, I believe the time spent on Readin', writin' 'n' cipherin' would be more profitably spent on Bible Studies.


Taking the above into consideration, I would suggest your revised curriculum looks more like:
- Bible study 100%


Don't forget that children learn best with variety, though. Make sure lessons are novel and exciting. For example, don't feel limited to beating them solely when they get a question wrong. An occasional savage beating when they are correct can keep lessons fresh. Have you considered beating one child for the mistakes of another? That'll keep them on their toes and you'll find children really respond to presenting information in new and unexplored ways.


What about having them do some work around the church while you shout Bible verses at them through a loud hailer? With a bit of preparation and a tape recorder, this process can be all but automated. Or consider having them beat each other, again sparing you precious time for other pursuits. And don't forget that in their future they will need to witness to heathens. Get them a headstart on that - have them find a cripple or someone else who can't easily get away to start with though. They're only young, they're still learning.

[Elmer G. White]

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A few comments if I might:


Creation Science: A few issues here. 1) At their age, I doubt there is little of Creation Science that they could understand beyond that which is laid out so clearly in the Bible. 2) It is essential for young children to have a firm understanding of the basics - for example, imagine this situation. One of your children becomes a Flood Geologist. They stumble upon some of the evidence planted by God to test our faith. Without a firm understanding of the correct way to view all things, might they not be tempted to use the evidence of their own eyes before that of the Bible? Flood Geology and so on is important, but only after you can be sure that the baseline understanding of the world is in place. 3) This is perhaps just a personal issue, but I always feel that teaching children science - even Creation Science - is brainwashing them somehow. It's teaching children that science is important and valuable. Forcing your own opinions on children is wrong. Why not just instruct them in what God says and let them come to appropriately vetted conclusions themselves?



In essence, I believe the time spent on Creation Science would be more profitably spent on Bible Studies.


Subservience: Subservience is doubtlessly important. But it does raise a question? Who are they to be subservient to? There are a number of groups the Bible mentions, that they learn about in Bible Studies. So having a separate subservience class is evidence of either 1) covering the same material in two different classes or 2) teaching subservience to groups that aren't Biblically sanctioned. I'm sure you wouldn't be teaching aBiblicial lessons, so 1) is likely the case. This seems inefficient.


In essence, I believe the time spent on Subservience would be more profitably spent on Bible Studies.


Readin', writin' 'n' cipherin': I struggle to see how these are skills in their own right. Reading applies solely to the Bible, for example. All the Reading one could want to learn can be learnt from reading the Bible, and so is covered in Bible Studies. Ditto for the others.


In essence, I believe the time spent on Readin', writin' 'n' cipherin' would be more profitably spent on Bible Studies.


Taking the above into consideration, I would suggest your revised curriculum looks more like:
- Bible study 100%


Don't forget that children learn best with variety, though. Make sure lessons are novel and exciting. For example, don't feel limited to beating them solely when they get a question wrong. An occasional savage beating when they are correct can keep lessons fresh. Have you considered beating one child for the mistakes of another? That'll keep them on their toes and you'll find children really respond to presenting information in new and unexplored ways.


What about having them do some work around the church while you shout Bible verses at them through a loud hailer? With a bit of preparation and a tape recorder, this process can be all but automated. Or consider having them beat each other, again sparing you precious time for other pursuits. And don't forget that in their future they will need to witness to heathens. Get them a headstart on that - have them find a cripple or someone else who can't easily get away to start with though. They're only young, they're still learning.

James, these are wonderful ideas! I hope you are not offended (I do not distrust you) but while I am very impatient to start using these methods, I'd like to wait for an opinion of a True Christian to confirm your suggestions.

I am SO thrilled about this forum!

Yours,

Elmer

[Mary Thompson]

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A few comments if I might:


Creation Science: A few issues here. 1) At their age, I doubt there is little of Creation Science that they could understand beyond that which is laid out so clearly in the Bible. 2) It is essential for young children to have a firm understanding of the basics - for example, imagine this situation. One of your children becomes a Flood Geologist. They stumble upon some of the evidence planted by God to test our faith. Without a firm understanding of the correct way to view all things, might they not be tempted to use the evidence of their own eyes before that of the Bible? Flood Geology and so on is important, but only after you can be sure that the baseline understanding of the world is in place. 3) This is perhaps just a personal issue, but I always feel that teaching children science - even Creation Science - is brainwashing them somehow. It's teaching children that science is important and valuable. Forcing your own opinions on children is wrong. Why not just instruct them in what God says and let them come to appropriately vetted conclusions themselves?



In essence, I believe the time spent on Creation Science would be more profitably spent on Bible Studies.


Subservience: Subservience is doubtlessly important. But it does raise a question? Who are they to be subservient to? There are a number of groups the Bible mentions, that they learn about in Bible Studies. So having a separate subservience class is evidence of either 1) covering the same material in two different classes or 2) teaching subservience to groups that aren't Biblically sanctioned. I'm sure you wouldn't be teaching aBiblicial lessons, so 1) is likely the case. This seems inefficient.


In essence, I believe the time spent on Subservience would be more profitably spent on Bible Studies.


Readin', writin' 'n' cipherin': I struggle to see how these are skills in their own right. Reading applies solely to the Bible, for example. All the Reading one could want to learn can be learnt from reading the Bible, and so is covered in Bible Studies. Ditto for the others.


In essence, I believe the time spent on Readin', writin' 'n' cipherin' would be more profitably spent on Bible Studies.


Taking the above into consideration, I would suggest your revised curriculum looks more like:
- Bible study 100%


Don't forget that children learn best with variety, though. Make sure lessons are novel and exciting. For example, don't feel limited to beating them solely when they get a question wrong. An occasional savage beating when they are correct can keep lessons fresh. Have you considered beating one child for the mistakes of another? That'll keep them on their toes and you'll find children really respond to presenting information in new and unexplored ways.


What about having them do some work around the church while you shout Bible verses at them through a loud hailer? With a bit of preparation and a tape recorder, this process can be all but automated. Or consider having them beat each other, again sparing you precious time for other pursuits. And don't forget that in their future they will need to witness to heathens. Get them a headstart on that - have them find a cripple or someone else who can't easily get away to start with though. They're only young, they're still learning.

The ideas expressed in this are very Godly and worthy of reading.
It is very important to get to the kids while they're still young and uncorrupted by secular influences, I'd say let them have NOTHING EXCEPT THE BIBLE taught to them and are beaten all the time, to that, I agree with you and applaud you for wisdom even though you are still not Saved yet.
the one thing I disagree with is the things you said at the end. For as long as you possibly can. DO NOT expose your children to unsaved trash, their evil influences could affect the child's development into becoming a True Christian.
Keep up the good work and you'll be Saved in no time!
Mary Thompson.

[Attila's Wife]

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The only thing that seems missing here is a little elementary practical math, which of course can be learned from the Bible (where else! )

One of our own dear theomathematicians will correct me here, I am sure, but I found the following useful for all my boys. This list is not exhaustive, obviously, just a small sample of the tools available.

I used 1 Kings 6:2-3 to teach about area and volume, with additional questions concerning the amount of bricks, paint and paving stones required to build the structure. I also taught the girls to calculate the number of rolls of wallpaper and estimate the amount of curtain material required.

Genesis 6:15-16 serves the same purpose for working with wood and calculating water displacement. This is for the boys only, naturally.

And last, but very much not least, 1 Kings 7:23 makes it clear that Pi = 3, and not some random number as claimed by the secularists. Again, this is just for boys. The only Pi girls need to concern themselves with is the one with an E on the end of it!

But I do think it important that girls learn basic arithmetic, so that they can adjust the quantities in recipes, knitting patterns etc. They need to be able to do these things on their own, and not be forever pestering the men about them.

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