[endofdays]

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It's funny, I get the impression that if I do go to hell the majority of christians will consider it true justice. To be honest I don't even want to live eternally, I just want to sleep peacefully. I might as well not even try to be a christian because God must know my true motive is fear of hell- not a desire to go to heaven. To be honest your music sucks, church is boring, you always need money and your potlucks aint all that good. Oh, one last thing- you preachers, your daughters really are freaks in the sheets.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Can we please talk about ways to overcome temptation and how to prove the bible is true instead?

God promises us that we can overcome temptation if we do it His way:

[1 Corinthians 10:13 KJV] 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].

Doing it His way means walking in the Spirit and resisting the devil:

[Galatians 5:16 KJV] 16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

[James 4:7 KJV] 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

If you have such a difficult time with temptation, perhaps you are not walking in the Spirit and resisting the devil.

As for proof that the Bible is true, we know that the Bible is true because it says so right in the Bible:

[2 Timothy 3:16 KJV] 16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[Russell Holbeck]

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Hello endofdays.

I do not believe you are telling the truth. I do not think that you want to come back to Jesus and accept His conditions. I do not believe that you joined two other Christian forums. I have read your original post and the later posts many times and I think that you are here to be mean and sarcastic and to pick things apart and to argue.

I have some cognitive problems from an accident but if I read something several times and think about it then read it several more times I can figure things out that is the way I read the Bible If I am wrong about you I apologize I do want you to go to Heaven.

Thank you.

Rusty

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Mary, I hate to break it to you but morality doesn't come from God. I had atheist friends who knew not to kill and steal. Even in my days of sin I knew right from wrong. Also, throwing scripture verses at me will NOT change my mind

This is precisely how con men (short for "confidence men") gain your confidence, dear. They show you the things you want to see. Atheists are no more trustworthy than child rapists, and don't just take my word for it. The good people of these Godly United States knows not to trust the dirty atheist. Why, just look at meek and seemingly harmless Bill Nye, the guy who made geek "cool." After spending years to gain the trust of decent and moral Christians by showing the mechanics of the LORD's wonderful creation through observational science, he now makes a living bullying decent people, people who are not willing to drink the secular kool-aide, Christians who are willing to take upon themselves the persecution of these soulless monsters.

Bill Nye "Science Guy" Leads The Bully Brigade Against Those Who Dare Question The Scientific Faith

It seems to me you've not only opened your home to them, you've opened your heart. This shall be your own undoing (Leviticus 10:10).

[endofdays]

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Pastor Ed!- PLEASE don't say that about me!!! I'm feeling bad enough now as it is, I expected a peace to come over me during my walk but felt condemned instead. Maybe I did open the doorway to the darkside and allow evil in but that's not what I want. My carnal mind sickens me and I strive to be pure and righteous.

Mary, I hate to break it to you but morality doesn't come from God. I had atheist friends who knew not to kill and steal. Even in my days of sin I knew right from wrong. Also, throwing scripture verses at me will NOT change my mind, I've studied scripture in my early days and that's partly why I left the church. If the christians here really want to make a change they need to level using 21st century logic.

I came here for support and encouragement, if I want to be preached at I can just go to church. Can we please talk about ways to overcome temptation and how to prove the bible is true instead?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Mary, I honor and respect your diligence to the word and realize you are concerned about my eternity but I feel that over time the word has got twisted and mistranslated. I don't think a loving God could condemn his creation to hell based on trivial issues such as geography and sexual preferences.

Again, you're confused about the very Nature and Character of the LORD. He isn't loving to everyone, dear. Jesus Himself makes it very clear that the LORD will love he who first loves Jesus (John 14:23). The LORD makes it very clear Himself that He hates those who offend Him through sin (Psalm 5:5). In this sense, condemning creation to Hell is like condemning a child rapist to jail. Justice only feels bad to the person who got caught, and rest assured, everyone who sins against the LORD will get caught.

But you say things like geography and sexual preferences are trivial. Where in the Bible do you find support for this? Does the LORD Himself not say He controls all things, than nothing is done without His approval (Lamentations 3:37)? Does the LORD Himself not warn the homosexuals that poking each other in the bum makes him want to puke (Leviticus 18:22), that He won't mourn their damnation (Leviticus 20:13)? It's not like He's playing a game of "gotcha" here. He's very forthcoming in His Word, and this Word is all we have to know about His Will and Desire.

Don't you think that man has had an agenda and something to gain by twisting scripture? Please don't take this the wrong way as I'm just being honest and open.

I appreciate your honesty and openness. I think your sincerity is the only thing that can save you from your pride. Yes, I do think man has had an agenda and something to gain by twisting Scripture. It's called Pride, and that also makes the LORD divinely disgusted (Proverbs 16:5). It's the idea that man can know the Mind and Heart of God better than God Almighty Himself can know it. It's the idea that man can know what's morally good without the insight of the LORD. It's the very thing Eve tricked Adam with - the idea that man can know right and wrong without having to rely solely on God (Genesis 3:6). Is this your agenda, too? Look deeply into your heart dear. Do you also seek to assume you know better than the LORD, as revealed in the Holy Bible, what is Good and what is Bad?

What about the gospel of Judas?? That never made it in and some speculate Jesus and Judas were lovers.

What about L. Ron Hubbard? That never made it into the Bible and he thought there are invisible, intangible things called "thetans" that animate a man's conscience and will.

Jealous?!?! Ughh, how is that even possible- he created us! Besides, if he was jealous then he must have other human emotions such as uncertainty but since he is all knowing that can't be the case. I think the meaning of the word jealousy is being misunderstood here.

You might find that by reading the Holy Bible, you'll know who God really is. Didy is just a foul atheist, but he knows the Holy Bible because he's read it. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but he is right.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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Mary, I honor and respect your diligence to the word and realize you are concerned about my eternity but I feel that over time the word has got twisted and mistranslated. I don't think a loving God could condemn his creation to hell based on trivial issues such as geography and sexual preferences.

Don't you think that man has had an agenda and something to gain by twisting scripture? Please don't take this the wrong way as I'm just being honest and open.

The devil has now entered your heart as he has you denying the all-encompassing authority of the Holy Scriptures (2 Tim. 3:16-17; I Thess. 5:27; Psalm 119:89) in an effort to justify your sinful lifestyle.

If you want hell, then just keep walking the faithless, excuse-making path you are currently walking. That way, you won't have to concern yourself with embracing Jesus Christ as He transforms you into the new Man of Faith you should be (James 2:24; John 8:12; 2 Cor. 5:7,10,17). It's your choice.

Pastor Ed

[endofdays]

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I'm going for a walk to think about all of this and clear my head. To be honest I'm feeling a bit discouraged right now and quite frankly feelings are resurfacing of why I decided I would rather go to hell than spend eternity in heaven with christians. I've walked the dark side and the light and the dark is way more accepting and FUN. If God made me to burn then so be it- I will accept my fate like a man because closed minded christians for eternity sounds more hellish than anything I could encounter in hell.

Sorry, I had to vent- I will keep trying to live for the Lord but I feel so discouraged...

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Jealous?!?! Ughh, how is that even possible- he created us! Besides, if he was jealous then he must have other human emotions such as uncertainty but since he is all knowing that can't be the case. I think the meaning of the word jealousy is being misunderstood here.

Then please explain to us the correct understanding and how you know what it is.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Mary, I honor and respect your diligence to the word and realize you are concerned about my eternity but I feel that over time the word has got twisted and mistranslated.

How hard would it be for Almighty God to step in and prevent that from happening, especially when He has promised to preserve His Word (Psalm 12:6-7, Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 24:35)?

I don't think a loving God could condemn his creation to hell based on trivial issues such as geography and sexual preferences.

A loving God could do so to show His love for His elect:

[Romans 9:19-24 KJV] 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

[Basilissa]

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What about the gospel of Judas?? That never made it in and some speculate Jesus and Judas were lovers.

The key word here is "speculate." You know, what happens when you assume, right? You end up making an ASS of U and ME.

Jealous?!?! Ughh, how is that even possible- he created us! Besides, if he was jealous then he must have other human emotions such as uncertainty but since he is all knowing that can't be the case. I think the meaning of the word jealousy is being misunderstood here.

Genesis 1:27.

[endofdays]

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What about the gospel of Judas?? That never made it in and some speculate Jesus and Judas were lovers.

Jealous?!?! Ughh, how is that even possible- he created us! Besides, if he was jealous then he must have other human emotions such as uncertainty but since he is all knowing that can't be the case. I think the meaning of the word jealousy is being misunderstood here.

[Basilissa]

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Mary, I honor and respect your diligence to the word and realize you are concerned about my eternity but I feel that over time the word has got twisted and mistranslated. I don't think a loving God could condemn his creation to hell based on trivial issues such as geography and sexual preferences.

Don't you think that man has had an agenda and something to gain by twisting scripture? Please don't take this the wrong way as I'm just being honest and open.

Hello, dear. Do you seriously believe that there is an International Bible Translators' Secret Society which sole purpose of existence is to twist God's word into something that isn't? I mean, there are plenty of translations, and most of them use all of the ancient texts available, yet each and every one of them condemns homosexuality as a sin punishable by death.

[Didymus Much]

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...I don't think a loving God could condemn his creation to hell based on trivial issues such as geography and sexual preferences...

That's true, but we're talking about Jealous, here.

Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"

[endofdays]

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Mary, I honor and respect your diligence to the word and realize you are concerned about my eternity but I feel that over time the word has got twisted and mistranslated. I don't think a loving God could condemn his creation to hell based on trivial issues such as geography and sexual preferences.

Don't you think that man has had an agenda and something to gain by twisting scripture? Please don't take this the wrong way as I'm just being honest and open.