[Naomi Ruth Lamb]

Re: disgusting filthy dirty hippie has returned to vomit out more nonsense

My Darling Basilissa,

I hope you aren't casting a pearl necklace to the swine. Since our adorable hippie2 (Horrors - there is a hippie1?) seems entrenched in his own little world, I wonder if there is any purpose for continuing to bring him to Jesus. We wouldn't want spawns of satan crawling about the earth in greater numbers, you know.

Still, Christ Himself brought this person to us, even if he doesn't accept it yet.

NRL

[obesedirtyhippie2]

Re: disgusting filthy dirty hippie has returned to vomit out more nonsense

Can you possibly come up with a single real-life implementation of the communist utopia which did not end badly? (Hint: even kibbutzes aren't doing so good, all of the young people are leaving).

First of all, you say communist utopia. A utopia implies a perfect society, so you believe communism to be perfect?? I wouldn't think you to be one to think that...

Second, you say, "which did not end badly." But you said utopia, which again is perfect, not allowing the system to end badly.

Third, I cannot give you any such example, because true Communism has never been practiced. And Marxist Communism is not the perfect system.

You have said a few posts ago that you did not care about history. Yet, if you don't know history, you are bound to repeat old errors.

When did I say that?? History is actually one of my favorite subjects, and yes, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it, so everyone, (especially the politicians) should be well educated in the subject.

Yet a few posts earlier you wanted all people to think the way you do. How can you allow having people of different religions/different worldviews yet at the same time brainwash them to have your views?

Much like you, I would like everyone to hold the same views as me. However, I know this is impossible, and, having been universally enlightened to the true morals, I know I have no right to impose my views on others forcibly. That is immoral. My answer is simple; I would not brainwash them.

What if there are enough non-conformists to break out and create a separate country?

I don't think their would be enough to break off and form a completely new society, with offspring and architecture and laws and a government, simply because there would be no place big enough for them to stay that wasn't already occupied.

And you'll allow it, even if that will mean that your ideals will be thrown away and the society will take a completely different direction, away from communism and towards something less oppressive?

Yes, I would allow that. If society as a whole decided my system did not work, I would take as a sign that it doesn't work. If such a movement was to take place, I would not be hesitant to join it after it became the majority. But this won't happen, as my system is the best system.

Also, I thought you said communism was perfect....

It seems a bit contradictory to your previous statement:

How is that contradictory? A large government can exist without being a dictatorship. The U.S. is a strong, large government, and it isn't a dictatorship. It isn't democracy, but at least its close...

So what is the relation between the local governments and the larger government? Who controls/elects the larger government?

The relationship would be much like that of the states and the federal governments. And the people would elect the large government. No one controls the large government, and I fail to see what is so funny.....

[Des]

Re: disgusting filthy dirty hippie has returned to vomit out more nonsense

I'm guessing that Sister Basilissa was smearing on a little sarcasm with her use of the word Utopia. I'm also guessing that you are going to ignore the multitude of hippie communes from the 60's & 70's which were founded on ideals identical to your own and which failed miserably when you say that there have been no examples of it ever having been tried.

Truth be told, it has been tried over and over again, all with the same abysmal results.

[obesedirtyhippie2]

Re: disgusting filthy dirty hippie has returned to vomit out more nonsense

The hippie communes failed because they were rejected by society. Homeless would flock to them, because they saw a sanctuary. The communes were unorganized, and no one really new who was supposed to do what because no one really planned ahead. I would not repeat that mistake.

They were also not universally enlightened.

[Des]

Re: disgusting filthy dirty hippie has returned to vomit out more nonsense

The hippie communes failed because they were rejected by society. Homeless would flock to them, because they saw a sanctuary. The communes were unorganized, and no one really new who was supposed to do what because no one really planned ahead. I would not repeat that mistake.

Everybody was doing what they wanted to do. But how do you intend to get them to do what they are 'supposed' to do? Machine gun nests? Do you really think that Stalin and Mao didn't try things the nice way before realizing that it just didn't work? All you would accomplish is the exact thing they did. You would become more and more tyrannical as time past because, like them, you are simply too bull headed and narrow minded to accept the fact that communism never works. Ever.

They were also not universally enlightened.

And you think you are? You aren't even enlightened enough to see that this idea has been done and failed a thousand times over already!

[obesedirtyhippie2]

Re: disgusting filthy dirty hippie has returned to vomit out more nonsense

Everybody was doing what they wanted to do. But how do you intend to get them to do what they are 'supposed' to do? Machine gun nests? Do you really think that Stalin and Mao didn't try things the nice way before realizing that it just didn't work? All you would accomplish is the exact thing they did. You would become more and more tyrannical as time past because, like them, you are simply too bull headed and narrow minded to accept the fact that communism never works. Ever.

I've explained this a thousand times, but again, they'll do what they're supposed to because if they don't they aren't fed.

And on more time, the Soviet Union was not Communism. The Catholics are not Christians to you, the Soviets are not Communists to me.

And I'm not bullheaded. If someone presented a strong enough argument, I would not be ashamed to change my mind.

And you think you are? You aren't even enlightened enough to see that this idea has been done and failed a thousand times over already!

Yes, I am universally enlightened to the universe's moral law. If asked nicely, I will explain further in another thread.

[Didymus Much]

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I've explained this a thousand times, but again, they'll do what they're supposed to because if they don't they aren't fed...

Double-plus gooder version of Psalm 128:

"1 {A Song of degrees.} Blessed is every one that feareth the obesedirtyhippie; that walketh in his ways.
2 For thou shalt eat the labour of thine hands: happy shalt thou be, and it shall be well with thee.
3 Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table.
4 Behold, that thus shall the man be blessed that feareth the obesedirtyhippie..."

...Yes, I am universally enlightened to the universe's moral law...

At first I but then I

[Basilissa]

Re: disgusting filthy dirty hippie has returned to vomit out more nonsense

First of all, you say communist utopia. A utopia implies a perfect society, so you believe communism to be perfect?? I wouldn't think you to be one to think that...

Sweetie, instead of blindly guessing what difficult words may mean when used in a conversation, why don't you invest in a good dictionary?

Utopia : an impractical scheme for social improvement (Source)

Second, you say, "which did not end badly." But you said utopia, which again is perfect, not allowing the system to end badly.

And history shows us over and over and over again that utopia is impossible and Utopia-type societies always go bad everywhere else outside of a sheet of paper. Communist societies are good example of it - while communist ideals sound nice at the first glance, the application of such ideals is always the problem.

Third, I cannot give you any such example, because true Communism has never been practiced. And Marxist Communism is not the perfect system.

In other words, all real life applications of communism failed completely. And what makes you think that you application won't?

Oh, right, you were "enlightened by the universe."



Riiight, like we've have never heard that one before!

When did I say that?? History is actually one of my favorite subjects, and yes, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it, so everyone, (especially the politicians) should be well educated in the subject.

And yet you act as if you knew nothing. (Probably because you're just a kind who knows nothing).

Much like you, I would like everyone to hold the same views as me.

When did I say that I want everyone to hold the same views as I do? Actually, I think that the world would be extremely boring if everybody thought the way I do. I learn the most from intelligent people who hold different views. (That category, however, does not include paranoid schizophrenics who think that the universe has been talking to them).

However, I know this is impossible, and, having been universally enlightened to the true morals,

Oh, you mean, to the true morals of an American white middle-upper class spoiled adolescent brat?

I know I have no right to impose my views on others forcibly. That is immoral. My answer is simple; I would not brainwash them.

Then you wouldn't have a society to govern. (Again, history has plenty of examples).

Yes, I would allow that. If society as a whole decided my system did not work, I would take as a sign that it doesn't work. If such a movement was to take place, I would not be hesitant to join it after it became the majority.

So, how much majority would you need? 50% plus one vote? 60%? 2/3 (66.7%)? Or would it have to be 100% or nothing?

But this won't happen, as my system is the best system.

Stalin said the same exact thing.

How is that contradictory? A large government can exist without being a dictatorship. The U.S. is a strong, large government, and it isn't a dictatorship. It isn't democracy, but at least its close...

The difference is, that in America people vote for all levels of government (local, state, federal), while you said a few posts ago that people would only be involved in their local governments.

The hippie communes failed because they were rejected by society. Homeless would flock to them, because they saw a sanctuary. The communes were unorganized, and no one really new who was supposed to do what because no one really planned ahead. I would not repeat that mistake.

They were also not universally enlightened.

There is no easy way to break it to you, sweetie, but you haven't been either. The voices you are hearing in your head is not the universe; it's just your own screwed up mind playing tricks on you. You should go to a psychologist, there are some drugs which can help control your disease, before you end up on a rampage shooting some kids in an Amish school or something. (You would have to kill off the Amish, because I'm sure they would ignore your society the same way they are ignoring mainstream America).

I've explained this a thousand times, but again, they'll do what they're supposed to because if they don't they aren't fed.

I'm feeling that I sound like a broken record, but again, history shows that people who are not fed enough for whatever reason (slaves on a plantation, inmates in a concentration camp, marginalized people in every human society) are often resourceful enough to find their own ways of feeding themselves, without relying on the overseers/government officials. So nope, they would not be doing what you want them to do but rather they would engage in all kinds of illicit transactions.

Yes, I am universally enlightened to the universe's moral law. If asked nicely, I will explain further in another thread.

Please go see a psychologist.