Hi i'm a christian but you would disagree

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Hi i'm a christian but you would disagree

Thank you all for your answers! It has been so refreshing that some of you are genuinley answering me, and not just saying I am evil. It is very enlightening. In response to this answer

What about Romans 2:1? Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things."

The key words are "doest the same things." If I don't do the same things, that verse by its own clear words doesn't apply to me.

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I think we have interpreted this differently. Notice the structure of the sentence and which words come first.

Notice that the thing that matters is the judging. It doesnt say if you arent doing these things then you can judge. It simply states, "thou that judgest doest the same things." There is no conditional statement in that phrase.

You seem to have overlooked this:

Now look at the following:

[John 7:24 KJV] 24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

How can we judge righteous judgment if we're never supposed to judge at all? Your interpretation causes the Bible to be internally contradictory, something that God's Word just cannot be.

[LolChristian]

Re: Hi i'm a christian but you would disagree

Thank you all for your answers! It has been so refreshing that some of you are genuinley answering me, and not just saying I am evil. It is very enlightening. In response to this answer

What about Romans 2:1? Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things."

The key words are "doest the same things." If I don't do the same things, that verse by its own clear words doesn't apply to me.

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I think we have interpreted this differently. Notice the structure of the sentence and which words come first.

Notice that the thing that matters is the judging. It doesnt say if you arent doing these things then you can judge. It simply states, "thou that judgest doest the same things." There is no conditional statement in that phrase.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Hi i'm a christian but you would disagree

Are we to imitate Jesus or not?

You tell us, dear friend. We've given you examples of what Jesus actually said, and not cherry-picked to include only the feel-good parts.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hi i'm a christian but you would disagree

Are we to imitate Jesus or not?

If you remember the story correctly, this woman in John 8 has committed adultery. Yet, for some reason Jesus loves her. He forgives her for her blasphemous acts of adultery. According to what I can understand of your theology, you would have been the first few to throw the stones. Correct me if I am wrong.

Why did you ignore everything everyone said to you?



You know, we're trying to share the love of Jesus here, and you just reject it. How do you think that makes Him feel?

[LolChristian]

Re: Hi i'm a christian but you would disagree

Are we to imitate Jesus or not?

If you remember the story correctly, this woman in John 8 has committed adultery. Yet, for some reason Jesus loves her. He forgives her for her blasphemous acts of adultery. According to what I can understand of your theology, you would have been the first few to throw the stones. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Hi i'm a christian but you would disagree

I believe Jesus's approach to salvation was through love, not condemnation. Can anyone show me where He said we should preach condemnation.

It's not as though Jesus would have called anyone vipers or dogs, right?

Have Christians on this forum forgot about John 8:7, "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

I didn't forget. I also didn't forget what Jesus said all of four verses later:

[John 8:11 KJV] 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

That is, He said that it was a sin and that she needed to stop doing it.

Before you say you are without sin let me remind you of 1 john 1:8, "8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

"Have not sinned" doesn't mean "don't sin currently." Note the following from the same book:

[1 John 3:6 KJV] 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

[1 John 5:18 KJV] 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

What about Romans 2:1? Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things."

The key words are "doest the same things." If I don't do the same things, that verse by its own clear words doesn't apply to me. Now look at the following:

[John 7:24 KJV] 24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

How can we judge righteous judgment if we're never supposed to judge at all? Your interpretation causes the Bible to be internally contradictory, something that God's Word just cannot be.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hi i'm a christian but you would disagree

Yes, as Brother Alvin said, there are VERY few True Christians(tm) that accept and embrace the WHOLE Bible.

Just one example of a pericope where Jesus condemns the bad weed to damnation:

Matthew 13:38-42
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Is Jesus lying here!? Why would He lie when He says that the wicked shall be cast into furnace? By His command! He shall send forth the angels! He!

Love? Yes! Judgement? Yes! Take it all and be Christian, pick what pleases you and do iniquity. Jesus tells what happens to you in that case.

Choose now! I'm praying for you.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hi i'm a christian but you would disagree

Hi you all can call me tootles : thats my IGN for League of Legends

So are you like the "lol cat"? That's a cute cat, but I have to say, "grumpus cat" does make me giggle more. That "lol cat" doesn't always make sense and I think they're just trying to sound negro, you know with those ebonic and all. Anyway, welcome to our friendly forum!

Before you think I am flaming and just push me away. It seems like instead of actually engaging in discussion you pass off everyone as flaming so you do not have to self examine your beliefs. I am genuinely interested in your theology and where the biblical backing for your beliefs are found? I am willing to listen to your side only if you'll listen to mine. As Christians let us be civil and loving about this.

Don't be silly, dear. How on earth could one evangelize to the unsaved heathen of the world if they are being pushed away for acting like unsaved heathen? That doesn't even make sense. You clearly do not understand what true humble correction looks like (Ephesians 4:15). You see, we are commanded to correct those around us (Zechariah 8:16), point out one's sin so he can confess it to the Sweet Redeemer (Romans 10:9), and offer the Good News of Salvation to the Spiritually Ignorant of the world (Matthew 28:19-20).

Frist, Why do you only use the KJV?

A fantastic question, and one that, like so many others, can be answered by using the search function on our forums. Just for you, I'll link you directly to this wonderful sermon in which Pastor Zeke shares how you can tell the Real Bible (the King James Version) from false bibles: Seven Easy Ways To Tell The True Bible From the False Ones

Second, I recently challenged Pastor Ezekiel's views and beliefs. While this site has claimed to be about freedom of speech (for republicans). When i voiced my opinion instead of starting what could have been a health discussion on the views of the bible and what the real message of the gospel is, I was punished. This is what i receive word for word, "I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire."

No more explanation than that. If I were not already a Christian why would this make interested?

I say this in love; if you were already a Christian dear, you wouldn't have an infestation of demons in your rectum.

I believe Jesus's approach to salvation was through love, not condemnation. Can anyone show me where He said we should preach condemnation. Have Christians on this forum forgot about John 8:7, "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." Before you say you are without sin let me remind you of 1 john 1:8, "8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

Again I am not trying to flame you I just really want to know why your approach to spreading the word and love of Jesus is through condemnation.

What about Romans 2:1? Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things."


Regards
A Christian confused by your message

Well you were wrong then, weren't you? You see, Jesus message is about Repentance, Confession, and unconditional Obedience (John 14:15 ). So many people today get confused with the idea that love means tolerating sin and refusing to do anything that makes another person uncomfortable. But think about it, what good does that do eternally? Why spare someone's fragile ego today only to set them up for rejecting Christ and missing out on having their names written in the Book of Life (Revelation 20:15). That doesn't sound like love to me dear, that sounds like passive aggressive hatred. You won't find that among True Christians™ here. You'll get the real deal - the Holy Bible without filters, without apologies.

I hope that helps.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Hi i'm a christian but you would disagree

You call yourself a Christian and you believe there are different versions of God's word?

You are correct in your assumption that we do not agree that you are a Christian. You are one of millions of false Christians who think they will abide in Heaven, while in fact, they will go to Hell.

[LolChristian]

Hi you all can call me tootles : thats my IGN for League of Legends

Before you think I am flaming and just push me away. It seems like instead of actually engaging in discussion you pass off everyone as flaming so you do not have to self examine your beliefs. I am genuinely interested in your theology and where the biblical backing for your beliefs are found? I am willing to listen to your side only if you'll listen to mine. As Christians let us be civil and loving about this.

Frist, Why do you only use the KJV?

Second, I recently challenged Pastor Ezekiel's views and beliefs. While this site has claimed to be about freedom of speech (for republicans). When i voiced my opinion instead of starting what could have been a health discussion on the views of the bible and what the real message of the gospel is, I was punished. This is what i receive word for word, "I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire."

No more explanation than that. If I were not already a Christian why would this make interested?

I believe Jesus's approach to salvation was through love, not condemnation. Can anyone show me where He said we should preach condemnation. Have Christians on this forum forgot about John 8:7, "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." Before you say you are without sin let me remind you of 1 john 1:8, "8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

Again I am not trying to flame you I just really want to know why your approach to spreading the word and love of Jesus is through condemnation.

What about Romans 2:1? Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things."


Regards
A Christian confused by your message