Christmas - the Pagans get it wrong!

[Romeo Rovagnati]

Re: Christmas - the Pagans get it wrong!

Japanese "Christmas" deserves to be there. They've replaced Jesus with Colonel Sanders.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Dong Zhi
Dong Zhi, the “arrival of winter,” is an important festival in China. It is a time for family to get together

Family? Who has a family in China after the great leap of their idiotic 1 child policy? No brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, aunts, in short: no family. No great aunts so capable of knitting, no 2nd cousins having pianos to fascinate with alternative modes of language, no weird marriage partners of siblings twice removed to demonstrate insects, what hope [other than their theft of others' ideas -ed.] could there be for this peril beyond soliloquies of winter?

Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths ..etc

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Christmas - the Pagans get it wrong!

I read on an unreliable sit that tomorrow, December 21, is "Winter Solstice." It would be best if this propaganda was never published. We know Satan likes to cause chaos by introducing fake notions and ideas just when Christians are going into their most important time, the birth of Baby Jesus.

Pagans and their god, Satan, like to piggyback on the world-wide popularity of Jesus. They named December 21 as "Winter Solstice" only after Christmas became a world-wide celebration.

I'm giving readers here a heads up on the kind of page Satan puts up. After that is an actual photograph of Baby Jesus:

What is the winter solstice and when exactly will it occur? - pennlive.com

[MitzaLizalor]

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Where would you put Festivus, the holiday where the Christmas Tree is replaced with an empty pole?

Well probably not in The Vatican.

[Romeo Rovagnati]

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It must have struck you from time to time, how imperfect the works of man are compared to the works of God, e.g. the AMC Gremlin v. Donald Trump.

How much worse then is the work of Satan than that of man? Well, quite a bit – noticeably different – Compare the Democrats with the Republicans.

And so it is at this time of year. The Bible recognizes false gods as manifestations of Satan and so it is not surprising that these gods mislead their pagan followers in matters of The Spirit.

Christians celebrate Christmas – usually in quietness and prayer but the pagan has been misled and different and instead worships the sun – which is always there and not “mysterious” or “all knowing” at all and certainly has never done a miracle or promised eternal life!

Note how the following pagan rites are performed a few days before Christmas and make no mention of Jesus:

Soyal
This is the winter solstice celebration of the Hopi Indians. Ceremonies and rituals include purification, dancing, and sometimes gift-giving.
Pros: “ceremonies” and “gift giving”
but they
lose 2 points for purification, dancing.

Yalda,
The Persian festival Shab-e Yalda is a celebration of the winter solstice in Iran that started in ancient times. It marks the last day of the Persian month of Azar. Yalda is viewed traditionally as the victory of light over dark, and the birthday of the sun god Mithra. Families celebrate together with special foods like nuts and pomegranates.
Pros: nuts,
but
lose 3 points – It’s not the last day of December; it’s nothing to do with “light over dark”; Mithra is not a real god.

Inti Raymi
An Incan celebration is in honor of the Sun god. Originally celebrated by the Inca before the arrival of Spanish conquistadors, the festivities included feasts and sacrifices, of animals or possibly even children. The Spaniards banned the holiday, but it was revived (with mock sacrifices instead of real ones) in the 20th century and is still celebrated today.
Pros: None
Lose 3 points for sacrifices which are blasphemous and no longer required; there were no feasts in the stable, and the Sun is not a god.

Saturnalia
The ancient Roman festival of Saturnalia happened around the time of the winter solstice and celebrated the end of the planting season. There were games and feasts and gift-giving for several days.
Pros: gift giving
but

lose 3 points for having games – Jesus did not play games; there were no feasts in the stable, and Christmas is celebrated on one day only – if at all.

Dong Zhi
Dong Zhi, the “arrival of winter,” is an important festival in China. It is a time for family to get together and celebrate the year they have had. Based on the traditional Chinese celestial calendar, the holiday generally falls between the 21st and 23rd of December. It is thought to have started as an end-of-harvest festival, with workers returning from the fields and enjoying the fruits of their labors with family. Special foods, such as tang yuan (glutinous rice balls), are enjoyed. Almost a complete travesty!
Pros: beset by the family who all seem to want to be fed
but

lose 3 points for celebrating a year! (What’s worth celebrating in a year? Do they worship “years”?) For having a harvest festival way after harvest, and eating rice.

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I think that there is a mission for our Missionaries here – if these pagan rituals can just be postponed for a few days, then they could all be called “Christmas” – once that has been done, the perfection of these pagans can begin in earnest!

Where would you put Festivus, the holiday where the Christmas Tree is replaced with an empty pole?

[handmaiden]

Re: Christmas - the Pagans get it wrong!

Thank you, Pastor Bathfire, for that scholarly review of Pagan rituals.

It is despicable that fake religions stole the very most sacred of festivals, Christmas, from Christians. I wish there were a way to levy a fine on every religion that steals dates and events from us.

What I hate most is false religions pre-stealing things from Jesus. Clearly, Satan told them about God's Wonderous Plans and they invented rituals designed to confuse people ahead of the time of Christian missionaries who came to preach the Truth(tm).

[Johny Joe Hold]

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Christmas wasn’t codified until 312ce.

Oh my goodness. Now we learn the Bible says Jesus was not born until the year of our Lord, 312. Rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off.

So, we should change our calendars to read 2019 - 312 = the year 1707? Did I do that math right?

[PeterCrackhead]

Re: Christmas - the Pagans get it wrong!

Thank you, Pastor Bathfire, for that scholarly review of Pagan rituals.

It is despicable that fake religions stole the very most sacred of festivals, Christmas, from Christians. I wish there were a way to levy a fine on every religion that steals dates and events from us.

Christmas wasn’t codified until 312ce. I guess that is inconvenient for your thesis?

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Christmas - the Pagans get it wrong!

Thank you, Pastor Bathfire, for that scholarly review of Pagan rituals.

It is despicable that fake religions stole the very most sacred of festivals, Christmas, from Christians. I wish there were a way to levy a fine on every religion that steals dates and events from us.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

It must have struck you from time to time, how imperfect the works of man are compared to the works of God, e.g. the AMC Gremlin v. Donald Trump.

How much worse then is the work of Satan than that of man? Well, quite a bit – noticeably different – Compare the Democrats with the Republicans.

And so it is at this time of year. The Bible recognizes false gods as manifestations of Satan and so it is not surprising that these gods mislead their pagan followers in matters of The Spirit.

Christians celebrate Christmas – usually in quietness and prayer but the pagan has been misled and different and instead worships the sun – which is always there and not “mysterious” or “all knowing” at all and certainly has never done a miracle or promised eternal life!

Note how the following pagan rites are performed a few days before Christmas and make no mention of Jesus:

Soyal
This is the winter solstice celebration of the Hopi Indians. Ceremonies and rituals include purification, dancing, and sometimes gift-giving.
Pros: “ceremonies” and “gift giving”
but they
lose 2 points for purification, dancing.

Yalda,
The Persian festival Shab-e Yalda is a celebration of the winter solstice in Iran that started in ancient times. It marks the last day of the Persian month of Azar. Yalda is viewed traditionally as the victory of light over dark, and the birthday of the sun god Mithra. Families celebrate together with special foods like nuts and pomegranates.
Pros: nuts,
but
lose 3 points – It’s not the last day of December; it’s nothing to do with “light over dark”; Mithra is not a real god.

Inti Raymi
An Incan celebration is in honor of the Sun god. Originally celebrated by the Inca before the arrival of Spanish conquistadors, the festivities included feasts and sacrifices, of animals or possibly even children. The Spaniards banned the holiday, but it was revived (with mock sacrifices instead of real ones) in the 20th century and is still celebrated today.
Pros: None
Lose 3 points for sacrifices which are blasphemous and no longer required; there were no feasts in the stable, and the Sun is not a god.

Saturnalia
The ancient Roman festival of Saturnalia happened around the time of the winter solstice and celebrated the end of the planting season. There were games and feasts and gift-giving for several days.
Pros: gift giving
but

lose 3 points for having games – Jesus did not play games; there were no feasts in the stable, and Christmas is celebrated on one day only – if at all.

Dong Zhi
Dong Zhi, the “arrival of winter,” is an important festival in China. It is a time for family to get together and celebrate the year they have had. Based on the traditional Chinese celestial calendar, the holiday generally falls between the 21st and 23rd of December. It is thought to have started as an end-of-harvest festival, with workers returning from the fields and enjoying the fruits of their labors with family. Special foods, such as tang yuan (glutinous rice balls), are enjoyed. Almost a complete travesty!
Pros: beset by the family who all seem to want to be fed
but

lose 3 points for celebrating a year! (What’s worth celebrating in a year? Do they worship “years”?) For having a harvest festival way after harvest, and eating rice.

___________________________________________

I think that there is a mission for our Missionaries here – if these pagan rituals can just be postponed for a few days, then they could all be called “Christmas” – once that has been done, the perfection of these pagans can begin in earnest!