[Religion4life]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Sorry, I think I accidentally deleted my earlier post.. I said I know she is a man...

It really bothers me, though.. Can someone post here a verse proving that she indeed is a man?

[Foliohattu]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[pahauskonto]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

It really bothers me, though.. Can someone post here a verse proving that she indeed is a man?

I think it's about what you believe. I believe she is a man. I've believed in his manhood since I started to believe in God. Only a manly connection could keep me away being an alcoholic.

[Religion4life]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Silly me, of couse I should have known that she is a man. I'm very sorry for my inconsiderate question. Thank you very much.

May the force be with you.

[Bastardchild]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Is there any scientific (or otherwise) proof of god actually being a male.
Sure, in all the pictures he is a man, and he is referred to in the bible as such, but who knows? He/she might actually be andgrogynic.

[True Disciple]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

So is this a contradiction to Ephesians 2:8-9 ?

Of course not. There are no contradictions in the Bible.

The point is, we are Saved™ through faith, but there are many kinds of faith. Just saying "I believe" isn't going to gain you a place in Heaven, you need to genuinely believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins. Now consider the following Passage:

James 2:18-24:
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

We learn from this Passage that faith is shown by one people's works. In other words, if someone claims to have faith, but it doesn't show through his works, then his faith is false.

Even if a person is genuinely convinced that he believes in Jesus, but in reality he believes in a "Jesus" that is a figment of his imagination, then he will not be saved, as his works will show that his faith is false. Therefore, you know whether someone's faith is True by judging him by his works.

As the Passage says: faith wrought his works, and only by works is faith made perfect, or, in other words, is his faith made True.

I believe the works of charity are a categorical imperative that is to be applied through personal Christian moral we receive through God, not through applying The Holy Bible written a long time ago. The Holy Bible is an excelllent base block of moral though.

This isn't how God wants it. After giving the Law, He states:

Deuteronomy 29:19-20:
And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

There are no "personal Christian morals," (imaginations of one's own heart). Why do you think God gave the Law? And yes, Jesus Himself said we should keep the entire Law to the letter:

Matthew 5:17-19:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

True, God does care. But it shouldn't be concidered as a promise of reward apart from the joy we get from doing the works.

I didn't make myself clear enough. Let me include the preceding Verse:

Hebrews 6:9-10:
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

So, yes, this Passage is about Salvation™.

Yes, another good example to higlight the great value of good works =)

Yes, and one that proves that just saying: "I believe in Jesus" in itself is not going to get you into Heaven!

Yes, I suppose it's up to Jesus to judge us then. Revelation is about the works' value, and I can't argue with what is said so clear in The Holy Bible.
(Remember that Evangelic-Lutherans do not take The Holy Bible word for word. Good works should be done whether we are later judged by them or not.

You do not take the Holy Bible word for word? That is an untenable position, friend. After all, how are you going to distinguish which parts to follow and which to ignore? Just follow the parts you like, and ignore the parts you don't like, like the Law of Moses? How, then do you justify your choice of Passages to follow? And why do you think that those Verses you don't follow were included in God's Word, if they were not meant to be obeyed? As you see, this position is completely insane.

And whatever your answers are, Jesus still said us to follow the entire Law (Matthew 5:17-19 again), and you are right now transgressing His Commandment.

Are you claiming that even if I have done good works my whole life, but have not aknowledged that they will lead to my salvation, I will end up in Hell?

Yes, of course. You have to believe in Jesus' atoning sacrifice. John 3:18 still applies. If you do not believe, then you'll go to Hell, no matter how righteous you are. I believe even Luther agreed with me on this.

Epistle of James is rather contradictive to Epistle to The Romans.
Also the contradictions of the verses we posted, the so called abolute truths in the Holy Bible, are still making me hesitate whether to believe the works are truly going to save me.

Well, I've explained why these aren't contradictions, but even if they were, on what basis then would the Verses that defend Faith trump those that defend Works? You come across as somewhat confused, friend.

But when the judgement day comes I will rather be judged by actions I've done with Jesus in my heart, rather than by having misinterpreted the 1500 year old Holy Bible, re-translated many times. I'm not refering to the Baptist Church here.

As I said, you will need both True Faith and good works to enter Heaven on that day, as the Bible clearly teaches. Because the first gets you into Heaven, but cannot exist without the second. If you transgress God's Laws in the Bible, for example by supporting gay marriage, then your works are evil, and your faith is shown to be false. That's what God says in the Bible.

Now please, repent from your false doctrines, and turn to the real Christ. I fear you are hellbound right now!

YIC,

True Disciple

[True Disciple]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

There's no point for me to talk sense to you people since clearly you are retards.

That's what atheists always say. What's more, the Bible actually predicts that you would say that:

1 Corinthians 1:17-18:
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14-16:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

To the natural man, or "him that perishes," our preaching seems foolishness, as your remark testifies. However, that's because you are spiritually discerned. To us, it's the power of God. Ergo, you're wrong.

The right answer is Dionysus, Horus, Krishna, Attis, Mithra and dozens of others. All of these religions are based on the same original faith which is astronomy.

Again, you are wrong.
These religions were actually created in advance by Satan to mock Jesus, and to attempt to destroy our faith in Him. The True Faith(tm), however, is strong enough to withstand these attacks. As always, Satan uses rational arguments in an attempt to make us disbelieve the Bible. However, God warns us against rational thinking, and therefore, we never listen to rational arguments. Read here why:

God HATES Rational Thinking!

[Finish/Brazilian]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

How come you "religious" people can be like that? You are so out of argument, that every time that you try to explain something you make yourself even more unreliable!!
You always use the speech that your god is the god of love and forgiveness, that he all pure love, and than you come and say that he hates a country just because they have a different opinion about things?! How stupid is that?????
So I have a couple of questions for you owners of the truth:
If only you "baptist religious people" go to heaven, what about the other majority part of the world population? Are they all going to hell? Even without committing any sin? So, all Africa, Asia, and all the other non-christian areas are going to burn on hell just because in their culture they learned something different that you people believe is the only truth?!
Before Jesus, how was divided the heaven/hell stuff? because as far as I know, not so many people knew about him before he was born...
If god hates Finland, why do we not have any earthquake, tornadoes and storms, all the natural catastrophes that you have in USA all time? it´s all satan´s work?
And if your religion is so looking for the welfare of humanity, why don´t you try to bring good words to this forum instead of preaching the hate in your "puritan" words?

PURE HYPOCRISY!!!!

[Born Again Bob]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Dear Friend,

So I have a couple of questions for you owners of the truth:
If only you "baptist religious people" go to heaven, what about the other majority part of the world population?

Hell.

Are they all going to hell?

Yes, Hell.

Even without committing any sin?

Yes, Hell.

So, all Africa, Asia, and all the other non-christian areas are going to burn on hell just because in their culture they learned something different that you people believe is the only truth?!

Yes, Hell.

This is easy!

Yours in Him,
BAB <--- 99.44% pure (0.56% purer!)

[pahauskonto]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

How come you "religious" people can be like that? You are so out of argument, that every time that you try to explain something you make yourself even more unreliable!!
You always use the speech that your god is the god of love and forgiveness, that he all pure love, and than you come and say that he hates a country just because they have a different opinion about things?! How stupid is that?????
So I have a couple of questions for you owners of the truth:
If only you "baptist religious people" go to heaven, what about the other majority part of the world population? Are they all going to hell? Even without committing any sin? So, all Africa, Asia, and all the other non-christian areas are going to burn on hell just because in their culture they learned something different that you people believe is the only truth?!
Before Jesus, how was divided the heaven/hell stuff? because as far as I know, not so many people knew about him before he was born...
If god hates Finland, why do we not have any earthquake, tornadoes and storms, all the natural catastrophes that you have in USA all time? it´s all satan´s work?
And if your religion is so looking for the welfare of humanity, why don´t you try to bring good words to this forum instead of preaching the hate in your "puritan" words?

PURE HYPOCRISY!!!!

That's because Baptists are here to hate, not to love. All they love is to stare at their own belly ring, because nice and beautiful.... they're yankees... they never have anything wise to say. Every word from their keyboard is a lie.

[Finish/Brazilian]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Dear Friend,



Hell.



Yes, Hell.



Yes, Hell.



Yes, Hell.

This is easy!

Yours in Him,
BAB <--- 99.44% pure (0.56% purer!)

Yeah, it sounds really smart and enlightening for me... So many of you "religious pure people" who has committed many sins and even crimes, just say: "Im sorry my lord" and go to heaven, and people who has never done anything to anyone, just because they don´t know anything about your religion and culture, they go to hell?! This kind of smart answer just make me even more sure about my opinions...

[True Disciple]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Yeah, it sounds really smart and enlightening for me... So many of you "religious pure people" who has committed many sins and even crimes, just say: "Im sorry my lord" and go to heaven, and people who has never done anything to anyone, just because they don´t know anything about your religion and culture, they go to hell?! This kind of smart answer just make me even more sure about my opinions...

You may feel smart and comfortable about yourself, but this simply is what the Bible teaches:

Psalm 9:17:
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

John 3:18:
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

Revelation 21:8:
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

As you can see, none of these Passages say anything like: "excepting those that never heard of either the gospel or Christ." These Passages make no exceptions. People who don't have True Faith in Christ go to Hell. That might seem harsh to you, but that's what the Bible teaches. If you think that's unfair, then you think the God of the Bible is unfair. And who are you to contradict His Wisdom?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Khorne?! Really? Khorne is a character from a video game called "Warhammer". He is not a real god.

Obviously he is not God, he is Satan. Of course Satan want you to think it is "only" a video game when in fact it is computerized cult sermon, Satan is just that devious. I've come to undertand that this "warhammerism" is quite popular among heathens of Finland, not big surprize though.

[Finish/Brazilian]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

As you can see, none of these Passages say anything like: "excepting those that never heard of either the gospel or Christ." These Passages make no exceptions. People who don't have True Faith in Christ go to Hell. That might seem harsh to you, but that's what the Bible teaches. If you think that's unfair, then you think the God of the Bible is unfair. And who are you to contradict His Wisdom?[/QUOTE]

So this is your god of love and forgiveness! I think even an "nobody " like me can see how enlightening this is...
And taking advantage of your respect and patience to answer me, could you please give me some explanations about my other questions?

[pahauskonto]

Re: Does God hate Finland?

Obviously he is not God, he is Satan. Of course Satan want you to think it is "only" a video game when in fact it is computerized cult sermon, Satan is just that devious. I've come to undertand that this "warhammerism" is quite popular among heathens of Finland, not big surprize though.

Is there really that kind of cult?