[Didymus Much]

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...I believe "Thou shalt not kill" is a commandment.
I believe genocide is a sin.

Is English your first language? I KNOW "Thou shalt not kill" is a commandment, because it's in the Bible.

Commandments are God's instructions to humanity, not to Himself. Do you think God is going to condemn Himself to Hell?

[ObviousRetardIsObvious]

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Is English your first language? I KNOW "Thou shalt not kill" is a commandment, because it's in the Bible.

Commandments are God's instructions to humanity, not to Himself. Do you think God is going to condemn Himself to Hell?

Fair enough, you caught my grammar mistake, however what you're stating is that in response to violence God uses violence? Wasn't Jesus the one that said "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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Nothing honestly, I do not believe in organized religion. I will worship god the way I choose to. I will live my life the way I choose to. I don't need a book, or a single man to tell me how I should live or if I'm a good person or not.

Good News, friend! The various books of the Bible were written by many people over the course of centuries.

So you have many different people and books telling you if you are a good person or not.

I don't need extremists telling me I'm unsaved, or I'm trash to God, because I don't share their beliefs.

Our beliefs are not our own. All of our beliefs come directly from the Holy Bible.

And I don't believe Jesus would want any of the hatred some people on these forms are spewing. If God made us all, AND gave us free will, why would we be damned for being born crippled.

I don't know, pal. God's ways are not our own. If our naive notions of morality don't agree with God's, we are wrong and He is right.

That's exactly what the apostle Paul said when asked the same question.

Romans 9:20-23 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Why would we be damned for believing in the same God, just in a different way? This is what I don't understand. The amount of hatred involving religious aspects astounds me these days, not in just Christianity either, but a multitude of faiths.

God is very specific about those who would follow other gods.

2 Chronicles 15:13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

If your own mother asks you to follow or worship another god, the Bible is extremely specific about what should happen to her.

Deuteronomy 13:6-11 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
11And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

Your problem is with God, son. It isn't with us.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Fair enough, you caught my grammar mistake, however what you're stating is that in response to violence God uses violence? Wasn't Jesus the one that said "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

God uses violence all over the place throughout the Old Testament, but only in response to sinful disobedience, such as sodomy. Then in the New Testament Jesus reaffirms this recipe for justice when He says:

Luke 19:27

King James Version (KJV)


27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

You're not suggesting that the Bible is contradictory, are you? We might have to issue you an infraction for that.

[ObviousRetardIsObvious]

Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!"

God uses violence all over the place throughout the Old Testament, but only in response to sinful disobedience, such as sodomy. Then in the New Testament Jesus reaffirms this recipe for justice when He says:


You're not suggesting that the Bible is contradictory, are you? We might have to issue you an infraction for that.

I guess you're a little late to the party, I didn't suggest it, i stated it, with verses to go with that. I believe that you also just contradicted it... Hmm I said "Wasn't Jesus the one that said "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
YOU said Luke 19:27

King James Version (KJV)


27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Both being in the KJV, wouldn't that mean you also contradicted it? Looks like we're both getting an infraction there buddy

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Both being in the KJV, wouldn't that mean you also contradicted it? Looks like we're both getting an infraction there buddy

The issue is one of whether or not we suggested the Bible contradicts itself. Contradicting the Bible is a separate infraction, and I have in no wise done either, nor would I ever dare, as Jesus would rightly toss me into Hell, where my devoted wife Cindy Lou would be sure to follow.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!"

Also, and as to the tides:

Yet Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, couldn't explain the tides to Bill O'Reilly. Why do you suppose that is?

Fair enough, you caught my grammar mistake, however what you're stating is that in response to violence God uses violence? Wasn't Jesus the one that said "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

Obvious Retard, you're obviously retarded.

First, Jesus gives commands to humans, not to Himself (He being God).

Second, all you had to do is look to even Wikipedia to learn what Jesus meant by "turn the other cheek":

A literal interpretation of the passages, in which the command refers specifically to a manual strike against the side of a person's face, can be supported by reference to historical and other factors.[2] At the time of Jesus, striking someone deemed to be of a lower class with the back of the hand was used to assert authority and dominance.[3] If the persecuted person "turned the other cheek," the discipliner was faced with a dilemma. The left hand was used for unclean purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be performed.[4] The other alternative would be a slap with the open hand as a challenge or to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of equality. Thus, by turning the other cheek the persecuted was in effect demanding equality. By handing over one's cloak in addition to one's tunic, the debtor has essentially given the shirt off their back, a situation directly forbidden by Hebrew Law as stated in Deuteronomy 24: 10-13:

When you make your neighbor a loan of any sort, you shall not enter his house to take his pledge. You shall remain outside, and the man to whom you make the loan shall bring the pledge out to you. If he is a poor man, you shall not sleep with his pledge. When the sun goes down you shall surely return the pledge to him, that he may sleep in his cloak and bless you; and it will be righteousness for you before the LORD your God.

By giving the lender the cloak as well the debtor was reduced to nakedness. Public nudity was viewed as bringing shame on the viewer, not the naked, as evidenced in Genesis 9: 20-27:

20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness.
—Genesis 9:20-23 Authorized Version

The succeeding verse from the Sermon on the Mount can similarly be seen as a method for making the oppressor break the law. The commonly invoked Roman law of Angaria allowed the Roman authorities to demand that inhabitants of occupied territories carry messages and equipment the distance of one mile post, but prohibited forcing an individual to go further than a single mile, at the risk of suffering disciplinary actions.[5] In this example, the nonviolent interpretation sees Jesus as placing criticism on an unjust and hated Roman law as well as clarifying the teaching to extend beyond Jewish law.[6] As a side effect this may also have afforded the early followers a longer time to minister to the soldier and or cause the soldier not to seek followers of Jesus to carry his equipment in the future so as not to be bothered with their proselytizing.

[Bobby-Joe]

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I guess you're a little late to the party, I didn't suggest it, i stated it, with verses to go with that. I believe that you also just contradicted it... Hmm I said "Wasn't Jesus the one that said "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
YOU said Luke 19:27

King James Version (KJV)


27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Both being in the KJV, wouldn't that mean you also contradicted it? Looks like we're both getting an infraction there buddy

Were is the contradiction friend? It clearly says our Loving Savior will kill our enemies for us in very slow and painful ways. I find that message very moving.

Why must you make scripture so complex? Jesus loves us after all!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!"

Why must you make scripture so complex? Jesus loves us after all!

Pssst . . . He's an Obvious Retard. So no doubt that means God hates him enough to make him, well, Obviously Retarded.

[Gabriel Reproba]

Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!"

Originally Posted by ObviousRetardIsObvious
I guess you're a little late to the party, I didn't suggest it, i stated it, with verses to go with that. I believe that you also just contradicted it... Hmm I said "Wasn't Jesus the one that said "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
YOU said Luke 19:27

King James Version (KJV)


27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Both being in the KJV, wouldn't that mean you also contradicted it? Looks like we're both getting an infraction there buddy

Are you atheists still trotting out that old canard? Have you even READ that passage? You DO KNOW that Jesus is telling a parable, right? You DO KNOW that the line you quote was said by a fictitious king in Jesus's parable, right? You DID READ the while chapter before just cutting and pasting something you found on the internet, right? Oh...I guess not. Lame atheists are an affront to God and all that is Holy. Next time get your facts straight before putting words into the mouth of YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST!

Here is the full parable:

11And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

13And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

14But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

15And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

16Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

17And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

18And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

19And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

20And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:

21For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

22And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

23Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

24And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

25(And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)

26For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

28And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

For a group of people who are so full of themselves to always say theya re so logical and smart, it is so funny when they can't even see a parable when IT IS CLEARLY LABELED AS ONE.

Go back to school.