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Jeb Stuart Thurmond 06-07-2020 07:05 PM

Cucker Carlson needs to read Luke 12:51-53
Tucker Carlson thinks that only cultists and Stalinists teach children to hate their parents for political reasons:

Luke 12:51-53 says otherwise. Christianity is not a cult, nor is Christianity particularly communist, at least not any more.

And once you get into the Old Testament, well, read for yourself:

Deuteronomy 13:6-10

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die.

Jeb Stuart Thurmond 06-08-2020 01:11 PM

Re: Cucker Carlson needs to read Luke 12:51-53

Luke 12:51-53 says otherwise. Christianity is not a cult
Here is how cults do their thing, does any of this sound anything like Christianity?
...making their mark feel morally deficient or unacceptable. “Did you know you’re a sinner?” is an example, when a lot of emotional pressure is added about how bad that makes you as a person or in the sight of God. “Did you know you’re complicit in racist systems?” is another obvious example....

Another clear sign that one is dealing with a cult indoctrination rather than something healthier is making the mark live up to contradictory demands. You must understand racism and admit that you cannot understand racism. You must admit to your complicity in racism and pledge to do better knowing that it is impossible to do better. You must be an ally but accept that you will always do your allyship wrong. Impossible demands would scare off a potential cult initiate at the beginning, but once a sufficient level of commitment to the cause has taken place, the effect is the opposite. Rather than making the mark reject the cult, these impossible and paradoxical demands dramatically deepen commitment to the cult. They do this by re-invoking and massively inflaming the feeling of vulnerability at the core, making the mark burn with a desire to “do better” to resolve the emotional dissonance and white-hot feeling of inadequacy (as judged against the cult’s impossible standards)...

White fragility separates white people and their “adjacencies” into exactly two types: racists (who admit it) and racists (who are too emotionally fragile to admit it)...

...separating the mark from trust in outside influences becomes increasingly necessary... (they have to be torn away from their families, see above. They have to be moved into an information bubble where everything else is censored).

Usual cult-deepening methods include public pronouncements of faith before the in-group community...rituals such as group prayers, singing, or outright initiation rituals...

requests to make costly personal sacrifices to be considered a full part of the new group....Making sacrifices and working on behalf of a group, including a cult, creates deep ties of commitment to the group... (Now you know why getting arrested at otherwise pointless protests is so important to the left).

marks will be urged to cut more ties with outside voices of reason and dissenting opinions. Broader society itself will be construed as bad, evil, complicit, depraved, and any number of other terrible things that the cult’s doctrine is adamantly against (systemically racist, anybody?).

...This will eventually include encouraging cutting ties with family and friends outside of the cult, which is fairly easy to achieve because the indoctrinated cult convert is almost insufferable to be around by that point anyway....

Having a critical consciousness occurs when one is able to see the “problematics” in everything, where “problematics” are any deviation or potential for deviation from the cult doctrine anywhere in any aspect of society....

...the belief that different social groups in society are always in conflict with one another for power and dominance, and that rather than working together in complex, dynamical ways that can be mutually beneficial, they are at war....adding an overtly warlike tenor to the us-against-them mentality, which in critical cults like Wokeness is us-against-the-world...

Barbara Applebaum insists that the only legitimate disagreement with Woke doctrine is to clarify one’s understanding; Alison Bailey says all disagreement is an attempt to preserve one’s privilege. Scholars of religious fundamentalism call this way of thinking “intratextuality,” for those interested, and they consider it a defining hallmark of religious fundamentalism....

being “racially black” and being “politically Black” are very different things, and have seen struggle sessions initiated against racially black people who are not correctly politically Black. "You ain't black" -Joe Biden
Andrew Sullivan:
For many, especially the young, discovering a new meaning in the midst of the fallen world is thrilling. And social-justice ideology does everything a religion should. It offers an account of the whole: that human life and society and any kind of truth must be seen entirely as a function of social power structures, in which various groups have spent all of human existence oppressing other groups. And it provides a set of practices to resist and reverse this interlocking web of oppression — from regulating the workplace and policing the classroom to checking your own sin and even seeking to control language itself. I think of non-PC gaffes as the equivalent of old swear words. Like the puritans who were agape when someone said “goddamn,” the new faithful are scandalized when someone says something “problematic.” Another commonality of the zealot then and now: humorlessness.

And so the young adherents of the Great Awokening exhibit the zeal of the Great Awakening. Like early modern Christians, they punish heresy by banishing sinners from society or coercing them to public demonstrations of shame, and provide an avenue for redemption in the form of a thorough public confession of sin. “Social justice” theory requires the admission of white privilege in ways that are strikingly like the admission of original sin. A Christian is born again; an activist gets woke. To the belief in human progress unfolding through history — itself a remnant of Christian eschatology — it adds the Leninist twist of a cadre of heroes who jump-start the revolution.

newtopblog 07-19-2021 06:30 AM

Re: Cucker Carlson needs to read Luke 12:51-53
I really like what Nigel said to Angelia in the film.
When your personal life is gone, remember to notify me, it means you are going to be promoted.
I very much agree with this sentence, life and work, we choose to work because of life, and work makes us neglect life.
When you want to get promoted, you have to sacrifice more of your private time to work.
Choice is a very interesting thing, and when you make a choice, it also means that you will lose something very pity.

Didymus Much 07-19-2021 06:34 AM

Re: Cucker Carlson needs to read Luke 12:51-53

Originally Posted by newtopblog (Post 1287104)
...irrelevant therefore snipped...

I heard Pastor Zeke's looking for a "new top" something, but I don't think it was a blog, frankly.

MitzaLizalor 07-19-2021 09:14 AM

Re: Cucker Carlson needs to read Luke 12:51-53
Jesus knew that lives matter. Once disobedience was chosen all sorts of negative serendipity became possible. In their new dystopia Adam & Eve had cast themselves adrift from the certainty that berries or nuts were safe to eat in that picking a raspberry just AFTER an ebola had landed on it has very different outcomes from when they were in the right place at the right time eating raspberries (or peanuts) just BEFORE the ebola settled. Which obviously it then wouldn't because the raspberry (or peanut) was no longer there. They had separated themselves from God's provision, choosing a path for themselves, a path leading not only to ebola but AIDS, leprosy and St Vitus' Dance.

Genesis 1:31 – 2:1 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Jesus came and allowed Himself to be murdered horribly to reestablish the right path, restoring the harmony ruined by sin. From Noah to Abraham and King David each step of Christ's lineage was protected, sometimes at a high cost: for example when attending to heathens and the filthy idols they adored (and their children) something like battle fatigue must have been a risk along with post (or during) traumatic stress disorder. In many cases even if a piglet was left over that would have been enough to disrupt God's plan but at other times just the soldiers and boys needed to be killed (and their wives, obviously) or even all the people but not their livestock, it varied. That's how much God longed for His love to be returned and for the whole world to be free to worship Him alone.

Deuteronomy 32:4-5, 17-19, 42-43 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation ... They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters ... I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy. Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

I hope that passage isn't too long: it's there to provide context for the salient point that rejoicing over God's mercy is not restricted to a single ethnic group. Lives matter so much to God and He knew that David's line needed to be established so that Christ could be born—at this stage 1,406 years in the future—but in the meantime anyone who stopped being a savage could join with The Israelites and celebrate God's mercy. Provided they abandoned their idols and their satanic cultures and any family members who'd prefer going along to pagan temples for a good session of abomination.

Leninism was definitely a cult. Anyone who distinguishes right/wrong, oblivious/woke, person/nonperson in an ethnocentric way is in a cult as Moses' song (Deuteronomy 32) makes very plain. Does Leninism still exist? Maybe he wasn't so bad › › › › at least not compared to Stalinism :eek: but the path prepared for Adam & Eve has not yet been utterly eroded, ebola notwithstanding.

Matthew 7:14-15 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

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