Oh! There is a tree that is older than 6000 years old!
 

Yes, there are.

Old Tjikko is one. it is (according to scientists) 9550 year old. Jorukka Oak and Pando are even older, always according to scientists.


Let's give them the benefit of doubt. I doubt those trees are that old, but let's say they are.


Would this prove Genesis wrong? Would this shake our faith to the point of becoming unbelievers?


Of course not. But let's expand the answer a little bit.


1) If this was true, and this would contradict Genesis, it would not mean God does not exist. It would mean the Bible is wrong, and we should be looking for another faith, one that states the Earth is older. But there is a problem with this logic, that goes this way:
a) Atheist do not believe in any God
b) We believe in one God
c) Atheist prove our belief to be wrong in one point
d) There is no other God provided by Atheists
e) Atheists cannot prove God does not exist
f) As there is no other God, we should continue to believe in our God, and wait for an explanation of the supposed wrong point in the Bible.


2) And this is the KEY: when God created Adam , he was not a baby. Scriptures call him a man, not a baby.
If Adam was created by God as a man of, let's say, 20 years old, could He create a tree of 5000 years old? That tree would be now 11000 thousands years old. And this would explain those trees.


Isn't that an easy explanation for the age of the trees? Same with rocks. God wanted the Earth to look like it was billions years old, knowing that an infant Earth would be not a good environment for humans, the creation He favored the most.


Again, why should we complicate things more? Why should we be looking for a big conspiracy to create a fake God and impose it to the masses, while a simply, elegant and coherent answer could be found between the pages of the Bible?


As usual, Jesus wins. Check mate, atheists!

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This is another Work of Satan. It is designed to test the faith of Christians. However, as Only God can make perfect things, it becomes obvious to the careful observer that God did not create this tree before He created the Earth and all that is on it.


We can see Satan's imperfections:

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This is most typical of atheist science. The tree is supposedly almost 10,000 years old, i.e., conceived before the Earth was even there, but at the same time the scientists forget another one of their favorite theories: the "ice age". They neglect the fact that according to their own theories, Sweden was under 2 miles of ice through which no sapling could have germinated. This is a map that depicts the era when the tree was supposedly born!

https://www.dailyscandinavian.com/wp...ce_Age_map.gif

We, on the other hand, do know that the "ice age" is real but that it was much more recent caused by the frozen water canopy that provided the waters above (Genesis 8:2) and then rained down forming the glaciers at the end of the Flood! This proves that the tee cannot be that old. The secular scientists might be sincere in their fallacies but still awfully misguided; apparently their habit of being stiff-necked has caused them to fall into God's Deception. :D

Ezekiel 14:9
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer :bye:

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Brother Professor Dr White, Sir, I had never noticed before that Iceland (sensibly left unlabeled in your map, as to label something Icelandian Ice would be redundant) looks remarkably like a duck. I wonder whether this could explain the "sea monsters" shown on old maps?


https://www.dailyscandinavian.com/wp...ce_Age_map.gif

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Those are pinecones. Not carrots. Carrots grow in the ground. Do you need to go back to 1st grade? You can tell how old a tree is by counting the rings in its trunk.

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So why haven't they cut it down and counted its rings? Old Tjikko's trunk is too skinny for it to be anywhere near as old as scientists claim. Below is a picture of the Sagole Baobab, which is supposedly 1,200 years old, much younger than Old Tjikko but with a significantly wider trunk, suggesting it has way more rings.

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Secular scientists may be accustomed to the atheistic masses taking their word on blind faith, but if they want me to believe a tree is older than the dirt it is growing in, they will have to furnish me with some truly extraordinary evidence.

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These fake claims of "old trees" illustrate the Satanic mission of science: It tries to discredit the truth of the Bible. This is impossible but bogus claims keep coming.

We here at Landover Baptist regularly straighten out these claims. It's almost like they have a factory of falsehoods and manufacture them everyday.

We must not be discouraged by science--it makes bogus claims but we have the intellectual inside lane to stomp on them whenever they show up.

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Dendrochronology, like all other secular dating methods, is extremely unreliable. Just as Noah's Flood caused the rapid formation of landmarks such as the Grand Canyon and Uluru, which would otherwise require deep time to form, so too it caused trees to grow very rapidly with all the extra rain and fertilization from the dead bodies, giving them the appearance of being much older. Dendrochronologists don't take this into account when making their calculations.

Also, climate affects how rings grow, and we all know scientific climate predictions are notoriously inaccurate. They often get it wrong when they predict the weather for the following day, let alone the following century! If we can't rely on what they say the climate will be like in the future, how can we rely on what they say the climate was like in the past? It's safer to rely on God and His Word.

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There are some very informative posts here. I noticed that Adam lived to 930 and that most people then went on into their 900's but that lifespans reduced as sin got going. Adam, created as an adult, could have been created at any age God chose and with sin absent at the time of creation reduced lifespans would not apply. A mature adult could any age at all.

Concerning plants.

Genesis 2:4b-5c In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth..

Plants were prepared by God before they were transferred to the wonderful world He created. That tree could easily have been made 3,545 years before it was in the earth if that's what God wanted.

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Brother Gonzalez, this explanation also truly solves the atheists' riddle which came first, the chicken or the egg? Of course, the Lord Almighty and Creator of All Things easily made eggs and full grown chickens at the same time. To limit His capacity in any way is to deny the reality of Christ. That's why they do it.

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The liberal New York Times has an article today about tree rings. Liberal universities are adding "scientists" to study these trees. They think they can make their false claims about climate change appear to be true when they remain just anti religious propaganda.

Counting tree rings and trying to link man's activities to climate change is just another of Satan's tools. God has told us man is the master of the earth, is to rule over all other beings and will leave the earth behind when He decides the clock on sin has run out.

I think President Trump should end this silly study of tree rings.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/30/s...s-climate.html

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I guess that counting tree rings keeps these "scientists" out of trouble, in the sense that while they're doing that, they aren't doing anything worse? It makes me laugh, though. "Hey guys, look! We counted the rings on this tree and found out that it's 1,000 years old! Like, wow, man!" Well maybe it was 1,000 years old (though more likely not). Whatever - it isn't ever going to be 1,001 years old, is it, because they've cut it down to count the rings! :rofl3:

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so so true. Atheist are just losers

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Sometimes I am so disappointed with Brother Pat Robertson. He is 89 years old and has been such a model Christian. He became a multi millionaire doing the Lord's work and today has telethons that rock with money.

But, Satan has played with his mind during his old age. He now says the universe is 14 million years old. He even scoffs at the Bible's clear message it is only 6,000 years old.

I fear for Brother Pat's soul.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/p...-nonsense.html

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Its dangerous for anyone to listen to anything about science. Let's pray for pat Robertson that God saves his soul.science spew garbage and want to use their thrash to lie about God and deny the one true Creator and that's why they always contradict true facts in the Bible

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Amen, dear! We don't need science. What do they have? Empirical evidence? Things that can be seen, touched, and measured? That's nothing! We know that the Bible is True Word of God, because God says so, right in the Bible:


Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Proverbs 30:5-6
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.


Checkmate, scientists!!! :lol:

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Reading that article has led me to believe Del Tackett should be here, among us, those who really believe in God. He demonstrate he is almost a True Christian here:

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Indeed. What has the world of science ever given us but irrigation, agriculture, husbandry, the ability to build enormous churches and train stations, satelites, velcro, computer technology, eradication of smallpox, printing press, and imax theaters? All of which would have been accomplished sooner and better no doubt had people simply ignored their experiences, defied critical thinking skills, and awaited instructions from the LORD like Noah did.