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Wrong again....not a Satanist at all.

:ph34r:

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Jesus was praying to the Father, who is one with Himself, the Son.
They're essentially one and the same, so yes.

And so you're saying the Son and the Father isn't one..? :angry:
You contradict the scriptures then, and so you're going to hell.
I and my Father are one.
John 10:30

You seem to think this is strange (because you are a natural & unsaved man), but remember that when Jesus was baptized, He accepted Himself as His own personal Savior.
So praying to Himself doesn't seem a very long stretch then, does it? :glare:

Nonsense, heretic.
Lookit, we're the ones bringing the scripture, while you're only bringing your own say-so...
A True Christian is one who base his beliefs on the Bible, not man-made tradition and dogma like you papists! :glare:

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Incorrect things, that is..
Forget all that nonsense. Here at Landover Baptist, we will teach you the TRUTH, straight from the Word of God, the KJV1611 Bible.

Show me a verse that says lack of understanding is an excuse and an allowance to sin. :thumbdown:

No. Thanks to Eve! :angry:
Read 1 Timothy 2:14

No.
The thief on the cross was forgiven by Jesus personally.
God changes His laws or makes exceptions to them as He pleases.
So the lesson is that: Unless God comes and says so Himself, baptism IS necessary. :thumbdown:

A child CAN understand Jesus, and accept Him, and actually make excellent believers. Jesus says so Himself. (Luke 18:16)
A BABY may not be able to understand and accept Jesus, but that's no excuse.

The OT people who were Saved, would have accepted Jesus Christ and is thus considered Saved after Jesus earthly ministry came too.
They actually HAD accepted Jesus already, even though He hadn't physically appeared to them.
But most OT people weren't Saved at all however, and that's part of the reason Jesus came.

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
John 7:16-17

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:
For I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:42

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oh I know you don't think you are, but trust me when I say that Satan's got a deathgrip on your soul. Take some advice and turn to Satan to save your self from eternal, agonizing pain. He recognizes his own and will undoubtedly accept you with open arms.

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I agree with Brother Monty on this issue. When Demonrats slaughter a baby, they do so merely for the thrill of the kill, for the sexual high it gives them to have hot viscera oozing between their fingers, while Godly Republicans always have the best interests of Christendom in mind when they make the painful choice to bring a pregnancy to a premature close. We shouldn't get them mixed up.

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So how do you get worshipping Mary out of any of that?
You might as well be. You're going to Hell either way.

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12 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If a man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him
13 by sleeping with another man, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act),
14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure-
15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder offering to draw attention to guilt.
16 " 'The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD.

17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.
18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.
19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other man has slept with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.
20 Butif you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have defiled yourself by sleeping with a man other than your husband'"-
21 here st is to put the woman under this curse of the oath-"may the LORD cause your people to curse and denounce you when he causes you to ' have a miscarrying womb and barrenness.
22 May this water cause you to be barren and have a miscarrying womb " " 'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."
23 " 'The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water.
24 He shall have the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water will enter her and cause bitter suffering.
25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to the altar.
26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water.
27 If she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter suffering; she will have barrenness and a miscarrying womb, and she will become accursed among her people.
28 If, however, the woman has not defiled herself and is free from impurity, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

I'm REALLY confused right now! PlEASE clarify things out for me! :wacko:
You see, I know these texts really well! I recognize them because they were main texts we were given to study! :o I have studied the original ones in my classes, they are so old that the ink that was used to write them was made of ashes, animal blood, tree sap, bone powder and much more, and the paper dated from a time conciding with when they claimed it was written... so it was original sacred texts! NOT a copy... yet our professor taught us that these were sayings used by the Greeks, and the textes accompanying these phrases were clearly depicting Greek people and their Greek beliefs, everything coincided together perfectly! The texts were among Greek textes that talked of the life of Greek people, their accomplishments and great monuments.... but I'm confused now!

Please ANYONE help me out! :(
I would like to know more about this! Why are Greek rules also Christian rules? I thought they had different beliefs than Christians! Do you know anything about this? :wacko: Now I'm really confused!! There is NO mistake, THESE were THE SAME EXAAACT TEXTS, and they were really old and dated from the right time period. :o????? Also, our pastors have NEVER shown us these writings, NEVER EVER, and none of our people know of these writings, except for those who attend university religion classes. :wacko:

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Why are Greek texts Christian texts? Because Greeks are Christians!

Look, we don't that archeology stuff that so many false-christians are obsessed with. Trying to dig up proof only proves your lack of faith. That's why we cheered when Bagdad museam got trashed: it's just brocken pottery, and only whining losers care about it, as Anne Coulter famously pointed out.

The only thing related to archeology that I ever cared for was Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, which was a fascinating way to learn about Hinduism and Hindu rituals.

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You don't need "facts" when you have Jesus!

Praise!

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I concur. Scripture is clear, ensoulment occurs at the first breath. Prior to that, we do not have an entity that can experience knowledge of good and evil. Therefore, aborted fetuses and stillborns neither go to heaven or hell. They weren't and aren't, so to speak.

I will even speculate that a child birthed on a submarine (with mechanically processed air) will not ensoul until the vessel breaches the surface and the hatch is opened.

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Where was that, again?

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Genesis 2:7

(KJV)


And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.




God is telling us how souls are conveyed, via the breath, and that which breatheth not, liveth not. And I don't mean live as in alive. Many things are alive; birds, trees, mushrooms, kidneys, etc., but only an ensouled human being (i.e. a breathing human being) is capable of choosing between good and evil, right and wrong, Christ and idolatry, and that is what is meant by a living soul.

Please realize, this man formed of the dust of the ground, by God, would have been a perfect physical specimen, in every way indistinguishable from us, except, it was unensouled !! That is what seperates us, the SOUL !! (praise God !!) from the plants, and the animals, the fungus and the Joos !!!


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Uhm....Lady, the election is over with...:huh:

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

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Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Betty Bowers you sound like a fool. Jesus is the only fact there is!

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I grieve every time I have a period, as it means my egg has failed to give life to my husband's sperm. So a life is basically lost every month I do not concieve!

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You "grieve" if you want to, Me I shall rejoice with every period cause it means one more month that I do not have to deal with diapers, bottles or a screaming child attached to my hip. PRAISE GOD my children are past that age.

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Wow, you must of been a great mom. Do you remind them daily how much you hated them?

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I don't hate them,never have, never will. I love them with all I have in me. Since my last post I have found out that after 8 years of not getting pregnant. I am expecting yet again, (That is if I'm able to carry to term) Am I happy about being pregnant with my children so close to being grown? NO I AM NOT!! Will I deal with it and love him/her just as I did my other children? Yes, I will, but I can't still hate diapers, bottles and a screaming baby. All I ask is for a quiet and content baby, Oh yeah and healthy.

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Well perhaps you should pick up some books by the Pearls or by James Dobson, they will teach you how to raise a child in a Godly manner.

I feel for your children though, that hatred comes through.

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Don't you see this is a sign! Don't you see that God brought you to this forum and granted you an extra child for a reason! It is not too late! You can still go from dark to light! Start reading that Hole Bible. Now you know why!

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Let's see right this is a parody site meant for my entertainment and nothing more and as for the impending arrival, that can be explained as well, my tubal failed after 8 years I knew it would. No sign no "godly" miracle other than letting my fiancee know he was not infertile like he once thought.

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Sorry to burst your little bubble, but I hold no hatred toward my family just to the diapers and bottles that I need to use, I gonna nurse this child, and probably look look into early toilet training instead of diapers.
At least I didn't abort right?

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You might be saved through childbirth. How many different fathers do you children have?

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Twin daughters by my first husband (One daughter passed away as did their father) one son by my second husband (Once again passed away) and this one by my fiancee (still alive and kicking)

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Wait, you have two dead husbands?

Either way. It's allowed, it's just not good according to Paul.

1 Corinthians 7:8-9
I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide (remain unmarried) even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

On the other hand, Timothy seems to be encouraging remarriage of widows lest they become a burden on the Church for women under the age of 60.

1 Timothy 5:5,9
Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.

I hope this clears everything up.

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According to the vows I took, they said "till death do we part" I (according to that) am free to wed again if I so choose. Besides I love my fiancee and am bearing HIS first child, Hopefully a son as he wants.

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If you're with child and unmarried, then you're a whore. That's the plain truth.

And what's wth all this "ms" stuff? Are you a lesbean? :huh:

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[QUOTE=Pastor Ezekiel;497310]If you're with child and unmarried, then you're a whore. That's the plain truth.

If you say so, but I know different.

And what's wth all this "ms" stuff? Are you a lesbean? Let's see I'm with child so I believe that would be a no, but you'll believe what you want to.

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[QUOTE=MsPhoenixFire;497312]Why are you here? This is a Christian forum, not a feminazi whine bar. Have you even made a thread of your own in the "introductions" section of the forum? Do you have your fiancee's permission to be posting here? :rtfm:

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[QUOTE=Pastor Ezekiel;497315]
As a matter of fact I did make my introduction thread months ago when I first entered your forum, and yes, as I am on bed rest I do have my fiancee's consent to be online as long as I stay on here and no where else, He will check.

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Why would you ruin something that god gave you? I hope all the harlots who have abortions rot in hell. :angry:

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a womans right to choose is a basic human right and should be left up the her to decide the best course of treatment for an unwanted pregnancy.

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I have to admit that in some very special cases, e.g. your mother when she was pregnant of you, abortion might seem the right choice. But now matter how you twist it, it is murder! Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

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but what if it just isnt the right time for her or it was an accident or shes too young or she was raped or it was incest or it would harm her career or she just plain doesnt want children?

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Why does what she wants matter at all? Your really believe "it would harm her career" is enough reason to murder an unborn child?

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very narrowminded.

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So it is narrow minded to want to protect an unborn child from murder? You would have preferred your mother to kill you before you were born?

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This is revolting