Day 2. Genesis 4-6
Genesis 4-6
We have now left behind the story of creation, and who (who has read Genesis 1) can dispute that it's EXACTLY how it was done? Lets read the first few words in Genesis 4:1 Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; You'll remember they were running around nekkid as a jaybird before, but suddenly Adam KNEW his wife. In this case KNEW means "had sex with". (continues)and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. See children are a gift from the Lord. If you do a search of the Bible (KJV1611) for the word KNEW, you'll find of the first 4 times the word is used, only once does it mean knowledge of, every other time, it means intercourse. (It also means intercourse the 6th time it's used.) Later in Genesis 4:8, we have the story of brotherly love, where Cain kills his brother Abel. Then we have the LORD making Cain be a wanderer. To me, one of the most interesting verses in the Bible (KJV1611) is Genesis 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. According to most false christians (who try to believe the creation story), there were only 3 people on the earth at that time. Adam, Eve and Cain (with the dead Abel). In Genesis 4:14, we see Cain saying EVERY ONE. Who else was there, according to them there's only 2 others. Of course Adam and Eve might be mad that their son killed their other son, but probably not enough to have him killed. So who were EVERY ONE? Those are the people who were created on day 6. Then we see the Cain took a wife from someplace else, a woman who obviously wasn't one of his sisters, (in verse 16). Now it gets interesting. Chapter 5 is begets, they are important, but lets read on to chapter 6. God gets angry, and has Noah build the ark. Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. We come to find out later that he's also a drunkard, and cursed one of his grandchildren. Then Noah put stuff on the ark. And that concludes today. YIC V |
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Sorry to bother u Brother V - Where did Cain get his wife from? He didn't marry an ol' monkey did he - or a Nigra?
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Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. The way I read it, (with no interpretation) is Cain's wife was part of the people that the LORD made on day 6, when He said "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" in Genesis 1:26. According to Wiki, it claims that Cain married his sister Awan (this is supposedly in the book of jubilees). Now, some people claim that the "land of nod" means a place of wandering, and that Cain was forced to wander forever (somehow escaping the flood). But we later see that Cain founded a city and named it for his son Enoch, so, the curse of wandering obviously wasn't a very strong one. Hope this helps YIC v |
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I do like these daily Bible studies, starting from the beginning, this makes it all so much easier to understand, and I'm looking forward the each new day now, brother! Praise! :wub: |
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I'm sorry, it seems I am late to the Bible study. I will do my best to catch up, as I am interested in learning along with you all.
I do have a question, however. As a farmer, I am interested in the story of Cain and Abel. Why did God favor Abel the shepherd and why did he show disdain for Cain the farmer? Perhaps this part of Genesis is a parallel to the hardscrabble life that farmers have always had. While tilling the Earth is fulfilling for some (me included), the rewards are far from great. Maybe God still does not favor farmers...:( |
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Genesis 4: 3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: Abel gave the best of his flock; while Cain could have given the best of the fruit, however, he gave the fruit that had fallen, so it was probably bruised and might have had worms. The LORD would have respected Cain's offering if it was quality fruit, but it wasn't. Hope this helps. YIC V |
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Clearly, God accepted Abel's offering because it involved the bloodied remains of dead animals, but He was disappointed in Cain's offering, but it was bloodless and did not do justice to God's plan of redemption. Incidentally, are you aware that this story is where we get the modern term "fruit" as a euphemism for a sodomite from? Unlike the brawny Abel, Cain was a sissy-boy, afraid to get his hands dirty with blood and the battered remains of sacrificed animals. This is why he daintily skipped off into the fields to find some clean, bloodless fruit to "offer" to the Lord. Ironically, his fear of dirtying his hands with animal blood eventually led him to dirty his hands with his own brother's blood. |
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27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Then when you look in Genesis 2, there is the seventh day. Genesis 2: 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. After that, in Genesis 2, God creates Adam. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. So, if you read Genesis chronologically, you see that on day 6 he made man; on day 7 he rested; then he later made Adam. As to your other post; we aren't told if Abel's firstlings were sacrificed, we are only told that they were offered to the LORD. Granted, the verse says he brought the fat thereof; but that could have referenced the fatter sheep. The next offering that was mentioned in the Bible was from Noah. Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. The interesting thing is that we aren't told the difference between clean and unclean beasts yet. Hope this helps; YIC V |
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Wait a second, Brother - are trying to tell me that Adam and Eve weren't really the first man and woman to walk the earth? You're not a believer in the Gap Theory, are you?
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Of course as the Bible is the word of God, and as mortals we can not know God, all this is speculation as to what God really meant. GLORY! |
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Chapter 1 verse 5: I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. of course her man is white as indicated in Chapter 5 Verse 10: My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. So it is God's will that white men lie with Nigra women. Just sayin. |
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Any joo will tell you this means "the man". Not "men", and most certainly not women. If you don't believe in the original sin of one man, why do you need God or Jesus at all? Yours in Christ! |
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Please don't be so pretentious that you know God's will. After all, it's your soul to perish: Quote:
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My study of the bible is very rudimentary at this time. My comment was based on Brother V's teachings: "According to most false Christians (who try to believe the creation story), there were only 3 people on the earth at that time. Adam, Eve and Cain (with the dead Abel). In Genesis 4:14, we see Cain saying EVERY ONE. Who else was there, according to them there's only 2 others. Of course Adam and Eve might be mad that their son killed their other son, but probably not enough to have him killed. So who were EVERY ONE? Those are the people who were created on day 6. Then we see the Cain took a wife from someplace else, a woman who obviously wasn't one of his sisters, (in verse 16)." Please guide me if I have misunderstood Brother V's words. |
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Brother Guy stated Monkey or Nigra. I mistakenly made the assumption that he was referring bedouins and gypsies as we know that Cain made no such journey to the heart of Africa. "Originally Posted by Brother Guy Bayard http://www.landoverbaptist.net/image...s/viewpost.gif Sorry to bother u Brother V - Where did Cain get his wife from? He didn't marry an ol' monkey did he - or a Nigra?" I would never intentional assume to know God's will, but as a ignorant sinner I will slip back into my vile ways and truly do appreciate your knowledgeable corrections Brother Rubicon. May I one day be worthy to shout GLORY with a clean heart! |
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Then we can discuss your foul spirit, self-sodomy and failing in basic theology and etymology. Until then, you are hardly worthy of anything. Count your blessings that you even remain here. Yours in Christ! |
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Based on my reading of the Bible (KJV1611) I believe that Adam was not the first person. Genesis 1: 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Note the plural "them". Later in the chapter (verse 31) it is mentioned that it was the end of the sixth day. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. In Genesis 2, it mentions the end of creation, and the 7th day of rest. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Prior to the creation of Adam, men and women were just like animals. Soulless creatures. No different than a dog or a cat. It wasn't until God breathed a soul into him, that people gained a soul. Later, when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, the rest of humanity became self aware. Hope this helps explain my belief. YIC V |
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Brother V, I have been in prayer all day over this and am still waiting for the Holy Spirit to guide me. Your interpretation is vastly different from what I learned in the pews. I was always told there was but one man and one woman, created in His image and, therefore, clearly above simple and soul less animals. The biggest obstacle I see is reconciliation in which day of creation Adam (or "the man") was created. But we are clearly told that one male and one female were at least first created on day 6. Genesis 1: 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. This is "plural" only in the sense of two, or a pair. God did not say he created males and females. If other men and women existed prior to Adam and Eve, why do we have no genealogies of them? We have extensive documention beginning with Cain and Seth, but nothing at all from any other original pairs. Did they only produce females? If so, it would make sense as we know that women are of little importance beyond producing male offspring for Jesus. More prayer tonight for sure. Yours in Christ Jesus! |
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A lot of Begatin occurs in Genesis 5 1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth: 4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. 6And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: 7And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: 8And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died. Etc... Perhaps the confusion is that hundreds of years passed between Adam and Eve and all the begattin they did. This may not be evident in the way God wrote Genesis. But if Cain did marry, he married kin. a 1st cousin at the outside probably 2nd or 3rd. All that is for sure is Cain married. God so wrote it. GLORY! |
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We know that women are of little importance and their geneologies therefore scarcely documented in Genesis. Let's also assume that imbecilic or sinful male offspring were also not worthy of recording. Problem solved! Cain could easily have been 400 years old and conceived with a woman many generations removed from his parents in Adam and Eve! Praise Jesus Christ as he leads me to the truth at a pace I am capable of! |
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Praise be to God for unfolding such a riddle to a neophyte as myself. No more than a lowly sinner and yet I see a glimmer of the glory.
I must return to the Bible in a year forum. Bless you Brother Rubicon!!! |
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There clearly are other people.
In Genesis 4: 14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. Cain, (after destroying 1/4 of the worlds population, if you believe that there was just Adam, Eve, and the two boys) worries about "everyone". Meaning there are others. Then, God puts a mark on Cain, and clearly speaks about other people. |
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hard to keep track with all the begettin going on. Thank you Brother V! |
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Brother V,
In Genesis 27 and 28: 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Are these the 'early' folks that came before Adam and Eve? Thank for taking the time to answer my ignorant questions. YIC Timofey |
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Praise Jesus! :innocent:
I do not want to question the bible, but ever since I was little I was amazed how Adam could live a whole 930 years, he must've been a good and healthy man. Great reading as always! Yours in Christ Elisabeth |
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Luke 18:27 "And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God." |
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Yours in Christ Elisabeth |
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Brother V, praise Jesus and the Lord!
Thank you for bringing such light into my life. |
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Thank you, Brother V, for enlightening us on His work.
However, I am curioius as to why Cain was given such a light punishment in comparison for what he did? As you have said in your past messages, he was only forced to wander, and he even built a city in the area as shown in Genesis 4:16 and Genesis 4:17 How does this compare to our contemporary punishment for murder? |
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