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Which religion has the best proof?
Yes, it is Harsha Shah here. I am writing now because I am preparing a paper about religions for my summer courses on science and religion and moral philosophy at the University of St. Andrews. Yes, the course will be starting in August but I am preparing in advance. I am hoping to become a certified teacher in RME that is religious and moral education. I am also a strong and independent woman working for an independent Scotland under the Brexit duress. Yes, I am hoping that I am not offending you but this will be a long post, yes. I have now been studying all of the great world religions in detail and some of the modern ones regarding their reliability and evidence and I have been constructing a list of these religions and their proof in an order that is descending and here is the list. Yes. The best religion is on top with number one and so on. I am very happy to have finished this. Yes.
1. Prince Philip movement. It is the most reliable of all religions, yes it is, and their god, prince Philip duke of Edinburgh my home town is demonstrably alive and there is much more documentation of him than of any other deity. His followers can really meet him and he has been sending them his photos. 2. This was a close call. Yes, but I am choosing Rastafarianism. They are thinking that Haile Selassie the Emperor was Jesus come again and there is much more documentation of him than of any other deity excluding prince Philip. His followers can be looking at his photos and other things. Yes. 3. This was as I was writing a close call. Number 3 is Mormonism. They have the signed eyewitness testimonials of 11 men of good standing and a woman, who must have been strong and independent. A person would not be signing a document about the gold plates and Mr. Joseph Smith with his face being buried in his hat unless they really were seeing it, yes. 4. Scientology. We are being given the expert account of many celebrities such as Mr. Tom Cruise who vouch for the good nature of this religion, yes, and they are really martyrs as people are persecuting them because of this, yes. The downside is that Scientology is not seeming to be online with any science. No. After number 4, I was using the number of eyewitnesses as a surrogate for real evidence. 5. This is Islam. They are having many many eyewitnesses for the miracles that were performed by Mohammed. They are in the Hadith. I am giving you an example. Al-Bara: "We were one-thousand-and-four-hundred persons on the day of Al-Hudaibiya (Treaty), and (at) Al- Hudaibiya (there) was a well.". This is 1400 people who were seeing their prophet make water, yes. 6.-7. This is a tie because of some lack of precision. It is Christianity and Hinduism. Christianity has 513 eyewitnesses, a Cephas and 12 disciplines and 500 unnamed people. We cannot be knowing who the 500 people were so they are not presenting themselves as well as in Mormonism. It is in 1 Corinthians 15:4–8. Yes. Hinduism has hundreds of witnesses more miracles but we are not knowing the exact number, no. Yes, it is hundreds and I am citing them. "His secretary Murari Gupta has given an eyewitness account of how He showed His heavenly powers in the house of Srivasa in the presence of hundreds of His followers, who were mostly well-read scholars." It is a tie with christians as these Hindus were scholars who were being more reliable than laymen. 8. - 9. Another tie. Voodoo and Wicca. There are many people who are telling that they have suffered from the black magic of voodoo and that it is then real. Yes. And the love potions of the Wicca have been helping many, yes. 10. Taoism. It has no evidence but it can be proven if someone who is practicing it loses her urges for sex, eating and sleeping. I was not able to locate these persons but that is not meaning that they would not be there. Yes, they could. 11. Confucianism. I was not able to locate real proof that Confucius was real, it is the same as with your Jesus. So it is 50-50 if he was. I am not trying to offend any of you by doubting the existence of Confucius but I am only saying that there is insufficient documentation. 12 -13. This is last one and it is a tie. It is Pastafarianism and Jedi knights. We are reading documentation of both that are stating that these were invented as jokes. Yes, I am not saying that they are not true, no, but, yes, I am hoping that I am not offending you if I am writing that they are admitting the joke themselves. Yes. I am really thinking that I might be offending you but I am really enjoying watching the Star Wars Movies, so please do not be offended by my skepticism about these religions. I am thinking that this is not a complete list, yes, but it is well-researched and I am expanding it with references and presenting it as coursework later this summer. Yes. This was Harsha Shah. |
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I am an educated and very intelligent person. I have studied other religions and I have never seen one iota of truth or any proof that elevates them to any level of solid doctrine. However my Bible is an irrefutable Book that tells me things of a historical nature that can be cross referenced with any good history book, such as “White’s History of the World “ by our own Dr. Elmer White. I recommend it highly because it uses the Bible as evidence of the truth of the Bible. What better source of knowledge than God Himself??????? Also, may I remind you that while you cannot see Jesus Christ now, come the glory, every eye shall behold Him. How do I know? The Bible says so. I suggest that you bend your knees and ask for forgiveness of your sins. Jesus is coming soon. |
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STOP! right there young lady. A God, a True God, sends earthquakes and hurricanes, not photos. This Phillip character is barely more than a simpleton black boy (Greek) who got his job thanks to affirmative action and low standards in the Navy. |
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What proof is required? You haven't analyzed the requirements first, just throw every single "proof" there is and then ordered according to your criteria. And this way, yes, you have offended me and common sense.
Let's take an imparcial stance. We cannot prove nor disprove the existence of one God. Or many. Or none. But we can talk about probabilities. The existence of a God is very unlikely, from a statistic point of view. But the existence of many Gods is, by definition, less likely to happen than the existence of only one. So, all non-monotheistic religions are less likely to be true than monotheistic ones. So keeping on with statistics, we know that the probability of a bigger number of people to be wrong about their God, is statistically less likely than the one from a smaller group. Christians are 33% of the population, while Jews are 0.2% (you can't tell that number from banking or TV, right? How disproportionate it is! We should ask for affirmative discrimination for Christians!) So, what is more likely, the existence of a God followed by 2.4 billion people (Christians) or one followed by 1.8 billion (Islam) Of course is Christianism, the more successful religion ever. If there is a God, that God is the God from the Bible. Now that we have found this, let's address whether a God exists or not. Here we are not talking about probability. As is not possible to address whether He exists or not by measure, we have a 50/50% probability that He exists or not. Are you going to risk eternity in Hell in a 50/50% chance? No way. But physics have found that they are NEVER going to be able to explain the first 1 x 10-43 seconds of the Universe, when the Universe was born. Here is where the law of physics do not apply, where the physically impossible becomes posible. Ergo, where God left His mark. So what we have found here: Of course, all of this is not necessary, as we know God created the world in 6 days, and he rested on the 7. All the talking about nanoseconds is just a distraction meant to draw people towards satanism. Are you asking for information to sustain my claims? Yes, of course. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...us_populations https://science.howstuffworks.com/di...ng-theory4.htm You are welcome |
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Oh, dear Miss Harsha: It is nice that you have taken the time to visit :forum-fancy: once again, but my goodness -- you do sound confused! After having read the
II Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". With that, why would any of the other religions matter? And the above verse of Holy Scripture should be the basis for your studying the other, many relevant gems within that Great Book, such as: John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." With these loving, life-saving promises from the :lord-fancy: :jesus-fancy: :christ-fancy:, why not give your life to :god-fancy: and stop pursuing these other religions -- all of which will take you to the fires of :hell-2:. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." I do hope that you will think on very carefully, Miss Harsha, and not let your independent ways serve as a wedge between you and the Truth of the wondrous Love of :god-fancy: Almighty. Or else, you just might find that He will set you on fire for all of eternity. Do you really wish to have your head set on fire and find that there is no way to extinguish the flames? Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Sincerely, Isabella W. |
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So the dot-heads got sick of British colonial rule and asked them to leave, fair enough - and they did. So now one of them comes around from the land of the hindaloos and trys to tell us about "true god(s)" - from the land of countless deities with many arms and hands (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Ganesha, Hanuman, Krishna, Kali, Rama, Saraswati, Durga, etc). Also from the land of squalor, hunger, poverty, and many "sacred" cows that would make perfectly good sirloin steaks and burgers.
Our great leader Donald Trump from the great land of Jesus has a great idea for you - go back to where you came from and fix your own shithole country and then come back and tell us how you did it. |
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Yes, it is Harsha Shah here again and I am answering your queries. I am thinking that I must have been offending you for which I am apologizing, yes. I am thinking that Mrs. White is a charming person but she is defending a book with the same book and she is using circular reasoning, yes. I am hoping that I am not offending her but circular reasoning is only working internally and it is not working for outsiders, such as myself. I am very sorry that I am asking for proof for those of us who are not sharing the christian religion now.
I have also been seeing that eyewitness testimony is very important to you christians and that is why I was focusing on it and the quality of the witnesses. Yes, I am seeing that the Indian religions, including my Jainism, have the most qualified eyewitnesses as they were very well educated scholars, better than the peasant peoples of Europe during that time who were not managing proper maths with their Roman numerals, yes. Quote:
Mister Larry and Dr. Toole, I am thinking that you are very charming and sincere men for someones whose education has been failing. Yes you are, you are sad and beautiful. Yes. I am thinking that I may be offending you but I am thinking that you would be gaining great benefits if you were participating the summer course that I am taking, yes. I am wondering if you have ever been reading the story of the blind men and the elephant, yes? One is touching the legs and thinking that it is a column and another is groping the trunk and mistaking it for a hose, yes. I am thinking that Mr. Larry is sitting under the elephants belly and his head is touching it and he is feeling as if the elephant was just a prison cell, yes. And Dr. Toole is feeling the wrinkled skin and its parasites and taking the elephant as an old fool and he is not looking into the sad and beautiful eye of the elephant. Yes. |
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Dear, you don't seem to realize that we are correct, and you are confused because you have been blinded by whatever voodoo the devil can throw at you. II Corinthians 4:4 "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." It's as though you have scales on your eyes, or blinders, things that will not allow you to see the Light of the Gospel of the :lord-fancy: :jesus-fancy: :christ-fancy:. And that's the way the devil wants it to be for you -- so that you will be fooled into thinking all of this other nonsense from false religions that you've studied will be truth to set you free. But :god-fancy: has a solution for you, Dear One! Help is on the way! And, the best part is: it involves no elephants! Acts 9:18 "And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized." I John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." Now, if you really think about it, Miss Harsha, I know you will see that :jesus-fancy: is knocking on the door of your heart, to save you from the confusion that has been binding you. Won't you accept :him-fancy: as your :lord-fancy: and :savior-fancy: today? A blessed day to you, Miss Harsha, Sincerely, Isabella W. P.S. - As for dear Brother Larry's education having failed him, I can assure you that that is not so. Do you have any idea of how many years of study it takes to become an equine gnathologist? |
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Look no further: Communism has better proof than any religion.
Did Marx existed? Yes. Did Lenin existed? Yes. Did they write a book that influenced people to do real things in real life? Not one, but SEVERAL. Do we have witnesses of their existence, their works, and their "miracles" YES Do we even have alive witnesses of their miracles today? Yes, we have. Every time you buy a guitar from China, and is better and much cheaper than the ones you craft in the US, every time you want a micro controller and you buy the cheaper imitations of Arduino, every time you switch from Amazon to Ali Express, or Wish, or your preferred Communist website, it is a miracle! Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim-Jong Un. They are the leaders of the world, leading us to paradise on Earth. Look no further, Ms Hash! Even the SNP could be transformed into a new Communist Party! Embrace the cause! |
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If you think about it, Communism IS a religion. It has its own heretical texts (The Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital), its own false prophets (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, Che), its own misunderstanding of how the universe works (dialectical materialism), its own made-up vision of the future (economic determinism), and its own bloody crusades (October Revolution, Cultural Revolution, etc). Communism is a false, artificial ideology just like any religion.
Except ours! Praise Jesus! :bowdown: :jesussmile: Oh, and Vlad Putin isn't a Communist, he's as right-wing as they come. Shout glory that such a Godly man has such pull with our president! |
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-Persecution of homosexuals and LGTQBXXXRES: checked -Autocracy: checked -Aversion to change: checked -Too much work for too little pay: checked -Anti-semitism: checked -Guns for all: checked So, Mr Lukes, Putin being right wing AND communist is not so far-fetched. |
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The sun and the moon are real but it is a good thing to pray to it?Jesus are still breaking all the rules of reason and i love him.
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Miss Shaw, in your analysis you did not take into account the presence of false witnesses. The fake religions claimed to have witnesses to miracles and such. There was never verification such witnesses actually existed. Thus, one has to conclude no one witnessed these events.
The Bible, however, is the word of God. The means the events described, miracles, Resurrection and everything else in the Bible has to be considered literally true. In your ranking of religions, Christianity should have been number one. There is no number two. |
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Lucy Harris and the lost 116 pages The severely truncated education of Joseph Smith led him to expect the general public's acceptance of obvious garbage which he'd manufactured to conform with his own low standards of comprehension. This is often the case with intelligent but illiterate individuals. Items which they regard as connected somehow in their own minds but which could never be rendered intelligibly in written form (because the connection is more like a dream than the subject/predicate structure of written sentences & clauses) are immediately perceived as waffle—and in Smith's case, deceptive waffle—by anyone able to read and write. Smith would not have known that, as the necessity of his requiring scribes to write down his ravings demonstrates. Apart from the ravings themselves. Mrs Harris appreciated this defect in Smith's character and was able to satisfy herself by a simple test. Con-artists using the written form really do need to be literate. The salient details are all there if you wish to research the matter further. 4. Scientology: :rofl3: 6. Christianity: Additional witnesses recorded are of very substantial significance Jesus left this world and was observed migrating to Heaven, which is where He is now. The witnesses all agree on His location after His ascension, which was also observed. These are not vague references to someone who walked down here as anyone else would but our final assurance that He really is up there. Whenever the sky opens up He is clearly visible, not as a trance hallucination after listening to out-of-tune music or twirling round about over and over again like a 5-year-old rolling down a hillside to go all dizzy. Except 5-year-olds know why they're dizzy. For your research I'm referring you to the following passages: Acts 7:55-56 context Acts 6:9 – 8:2These references include a number of fulfillments of Prophecy from Joel and from Jesus Himself which is a significant difference from Confucius who never prophesied at all. How could a nonexistent person prophesy? Christ's prophecy in this example was not only made but was also correct. |
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Of course Catholicism has the best proof, which are stigmate:
http://www.paranormalne.pl/uploads/m...452530687.jpeg Look at this image, and tell me this isn't how God shows how much he loves the people in the Church. |
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Mr. Rovagnati: In response to your horrid photo (and any other "righteous" drivel that you might concoct), I'll just leave this here:
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=h...gif&f=1&nofb=1 Sincerely, Isabella W. |
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Miss Shah, I would think that as a self-identified Scotchwoman you would be inclined to accept the Bible (King James Version, 1611) as the very best proof there is? After all, King James I (or James VI as you people call him) was originally a Scotch king until he was politely invited to take the throne of England, Scotland's superior southern neighbor. We have King James I to thank for the KJV (1611) and you will surely agree, from a Scotch point of view, that this is evidence enough for its infallibility?
We very much look forward to welcoming you into our congregation, Harsha dear. :thumbsup: |
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Stigmata are supposed to be rather specific and I'm not going to link any "catholic education" sources but the gist of what they contained when I checked before posting is that the wound marks conform to the wounds of Jesus (as opposed to pathological lesions which would emerge at random on the body) bringing me to our second point. Any manifestation of anything from God will necessarily be in harmony with the revealed manifestation of Scripture. At no stage did Jesus have His eyes removed. The picture shows someone obsessing over an idol and since idols are a visual representation, it serves to suggest that ogling idols may result in blasting of the eyes. And what idol could be more blasphemous than a dead Jesus idol? Sometimes people cite The Bible to support heresy. When written in Latin which very few could read for themselves it was easy for criminals to perpetrate their fraud by telling everyone else that God's message was whatever they wanted it to be and to say that's what the Latin meant. The same would apply to Hebrew text once no-one spoke Hebrew any more. Opinion has no place here; in either case the context provides everything necessary for our understanding. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .PETERYou will recall that Paul was flogged on several occasions prior to his arrival in Rome. The emphasis here however is on becoming a new creature in Christ, regardless of one's physical condition, which is spelled out right there in the chapter. To suggest any other interpretation is to ignore context so much as to be disingenuous. God is always consistent. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .MARYMary accepted what God was going to do to her. Not because she saw lesions arise on her arm or boils break out upon her feet, not because of any physical condition (although after her visit to Zacharias and Elisabeth a physical condition did emerge) but because of the ministry of The Holy Ghost. Absolutely consistent with God's message in The Epistles and with Mary's own assessment of her condition. |
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