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Vatican Issues Go to Heaven Free Order

In addition to the world "pandemic", everyone seems to be obsessed with not hurting anyone's "feelings". Now everyone's become an expert at naming flu's - Kung-Flu, Wu-Ping Cough, Fu Manchu Fever, Xi Jinplague, Lung Pao Sicken, Batbola, Gooking Cough, and Wuhan Wheeze - I'm with Trump on this one, Chinese Virus (it came from China).

With hospitals overwhelmed and short of beds, equipment, and supplies, the cathylick church is evidently overwhelmed with shortages of priests to hear "last" confessions to ensure that the dying don't go to Hell. Now we have the Go to Heaven for Free pass - no wafers, no beads, no malarkey or mumbo-jumbo Latin.

Enquiring minds would like to know that if this is possible why doesn't the pope just issue the absolution order once and for all and dispense with the Vatican's massive, costly and corrupt bureaucracy? Couldn't the "Apostolic Penitentiary Tribunal" be doing more useful things with their lives?

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Catholic Church Approves Blanket Forgiveness For Sins During Outbreak
March 22, 2020

The Vatican has announced that it has granted blanket forgiveness for sins by anyone struck with the coronavirus as well as healthcare workers and those who pray for healthcare workers. Relatives of the sick are also forgiven. I must admit that, as a lawyer raised Catholic, I am surprised by the use of general absolution on this scale. I am also struck by the specificity, including that those who want to take advantage of the option for those who pray must also pray, doing so “for at least half an hour.”

General absolution is not unprecedented. It can be used where there is a widespread catastrophe or danger with no time for a priest to administer confessions. It is also considered warranted when the numbers of those affected are so large as to exceed the capabilities of the Church.

The penitent must still be contrite and agree to seek confession at the soonest possible time.

This order was issued by the Apostolic Penitentiary, a Vatican tribunal that deals with matters of conscience, including confession. It decided that the “grave necessity” of the situation justified the action.

As a lawyer, this seems like quite a potential loophole for the licentious in times of crisis. However, the devil divinity is in the details. The matter is left to local bishops to determine the necessity for general absolution while “taking into account the supreme good of the salvation of souls.”

The use of general absolution has been controversial in countries like Australia where it was commonly invoked.

The tribunal gives specific instructions for absolution in places like “the entrance to hospital wards where faithful in danger of death are hospitalized, using — within the limits of what is possible and with appropriate precautions — means for amplifying the voice so that the absolution is heard.”

https://jonathanturley.org/2020/03/2...omment-page-1/

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Thank you for drawing this to our attention, Brother. I think it just underlines the fact that not even the Pope himself believes that Catholic "absolution" has any effect whatsoever. But the punters like it.

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Originally Posted by WilliamJenningsBryan (Post 1266220)

Enquiring minds would like to know that if this is possible why doesn't the pope just issue the absolution order once and for all and dispense with the Vatican's massive, costly and corrupt bureaucracy? Couldn't the "Apostolic Penitentiary Tribunal" be doing more useful things with their lives?

The answer to that is probably no, they couldn't. What are they qualified to do, other than talk nonsense to deceive the gullible? Outside of Democrat politics and the Catholic church, who listens to that? I wouldn't trust them to feed the hens.

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The Pope is trying so hard to stem the tide of Catholics leaving his enterprise he will say most anything. This deal to forgive sins by a wave across the parking lot is just the beginning.

Feminists have always been mad the faith blames Eve for the original sin. Count of the Pope to fix that. My guess is he soon will decree, "Yes, Eve did a terrible thing back then. But, was it really the original sin? Maybe there were some sins before hers--really we don't know. Let's stop blaming Eve for that first sin until we Catholics study it some more. I'm naming a committee to look into it."

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Originally Posted by WilliamJenningsBryan (Post 1266220)

Enquiring minds would like to know that if this is possible why doesn't the pope just issue the absolution order once and for all and dispense with the Vatican's massive, costly and corrupt bureaucracy? Couldn't the "Apostolic Penitentiary Tribunal" be doing more useful things with their lives?

As we know, the Roman Catholic Cult functions first and foremost as a boy-brothel for kiddy-diddling priests and closeted homosexuals (who like to run and play with other closeted homosexuals in their closets). The massive, outmoded, and barbarically inefficient bureaucracy serves as a massive smoke screen to confuse and confound Catholic parents. They're so busy trying to figure out how many sins they have to account for that they don't bother keeping track of their children.

And when one puts so much time and effort into a thing, like raising your children to be good Catholics, one cannot fathom it having been a waste of time. This is called the Sunken Ship fallacy and the Catholic Church depends on billions of Catholic worldwide to be so busy keeping up with the rituals and obligations that they wouldn't dare consider the reality of being mistaken. After all, that would deplete their most valuable resource - fresh children.

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Well if it isn't another dispatch from the pope - telling us what we Baptist's have known all along. The cathylicks could have spared mankind centuries of suffering.

Could God's punishment with the chink corona be finally getting through the pope's mitre? I'm not holding my breath.

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Pope Francis: If You Can’t Get to Confession, You Can Confess Directly to God
Posted on March 23, 2020

Quarantine guidelines are forcing every institution to rethink its praxis, and that holds extra true for the mother of all institutions: the Catholic Church. On Friday, Pope Francis addressed the faithful worldwide who can’t go to confession because of their community’s self-isolation rules and the fact that, in many cases, churches have shuttered to flatten the curve. The Pope encouraged Catholics not to worry, assuring them that they can “go to God directly.”

“This is the right time, the opportune moment, said the Pope. “An act of contrition done well, and our souls will become white like the snow.”

Italy has been tragically hard hit by COVID-19, with 5,476 deaths attributed to the pandemic as of the most recent count. The novel coronavirus shows no sign of slowing down in the country that surrounds the Vatican, even as health officials struggle to enforce strict stay-at-home laws.

That’s why the Pope used his talk to assure people that going out to confess to a priest was not necessary to be forgiven.

“But many people today would tell me, ‘Father, where can I find a priest, a confessor, because I can’t leave the house? And I want to make peace with the Lord, I want him to embrace me, I want the Father’s embrace.’” Pope Francis said. “Do what the Catechism (of the Catholic Church) says. It is very clear: If you cannot find a priest to confess to, speak directly with God, your father, and tell him the truth. Say, ‘Lord, I did this, this, this. Forgive me,’ and ask for pardon with all your heart.”

The Pope appeared to be referring to The Catechism of the Catholic Church, N. 1452, which says: “When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called ‘perfect’ – contrition of charity. Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.”

Moreover, the Vatican announced that bishops could choose to offer special group absolution to any Catholics affected by the pandemic, including those suffering from COVID-19, healthcare workers and those who die from the virus before receiving absolution.

“This Apostolic Penitentiary holds that, especially in the places most affected by the pandemic contagion and until the phenomenon ends, there are cases of grave need,” said a note from the tribunal. The note said that confession, along with other conditions like attending Mass, should still be obeyed “as soon as they are possible.”

The Pope urged listeners not to wait to confess their sins, but to take the opportunity.

“You can draw near to God’s forgiveness without having a priest at hand,” he said. “Think about it. This is the moment.”

https://relevantmagazine.com/god/chu...rectly-to-god/

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Originally Posted by WilliamJenningsBryan (Post 1266413)

Well if it isn't another dispatch from the pope - telling us what we Baptist's have known all along. The cathylicks could have spared mankind centuries of suffering.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out, Brother. If it's all right for them to speak directly to their god now, why should they have to confess to their priest ever again?

If there are any catlicks left after this corona plague (and they shouldn't take it for granted that there will be!), what will happen to the Vatican's finances? Because when the priests no longer know all their parishioners' nasty, dirty little secrets, they will be unable to extort money by blackmail. Maybe they'll end up having to sell their vulgar gimcrackery - if they can find anyone with the poor taste to buy it.

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Originally Posted by WilliamJenningsBryan (Post 1266220)

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The tribunal gives specific instructions for absolution in places like “the entrance to hospital wards where faithful in danger of death are hospitalized, using — within the limits of what is possible and with appropriate precautions — means for amplifying the voice so that the absolution is heard.”

Heard. I've highlighted the relevant portion. What happens if you're in hospital with this plague and are also deaf?

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Originally Posted by WilliamJenningsBryan (Post 1266413)

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The Pope appeared to be referring to The Catechism of the Catholic Church, N. 1452, which says: “When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called ‘perfect’ – contrition of charity. Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.”

Firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible. He really hasn't thought this through, has he. The exigency at hand is impending death. That's the reason he's invoking N. 1452 which I'm not going to look up. I did once for a post, on another topic, and for labyrinthine gobbledygook I'd never seen anything like it. There were so many caveats and cross references—themselves themselves cross referenced for definitions and verbose amplification—that after an hour or two my head was spinning. A reference for a single word could be a series dogmatic pronouncements collated over several centuries, for example. Almost certainly that will be the case here.

But if he thought things through he would never have become pope in the first place.

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Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor (Post 1266415)

But if he thought things through he would never have become pope in the first place.

That, right there, sums it all up, Sister! :thumbsup: