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Godfly 02-23-2010 07:16 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man (Post 476926)
Which proves the point I made before that even though it perhaps is missing from the original scripture the Holy Spirit clearly guided us to get it in the KJV1611 Holy Bible. Probably some evil person tried to twist the Bible by stealing some pages but our Almighty LORD just fixed that on the spot. Praise Jesus.

Shall we now stop bickering about this and relax a bit with our 100% perfect KJV1611 Holy Bibles? We have evil Icelanders to deal with.

AMEN!

True Disciple 02-23-2010 10:15 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by Heathen_Basher (Post 476832)
"Scholars agree and the documentary evidence proves that the adulteress story was added later. Motivation (politics) is relevant to understanding why logic and proof are rejected, and why the passage remains in the Bible"

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Originally Posted by Heathen_Basher (Post 476862)
"I've done a quick bit of research, and it does appear that most scholars believe that it was added later, and their evidence does appear to be sound. Interestingly some who believe that it was added later (and is therefore not canonical) also believe that it's likely that the account is true, just not put there by John."

Brother Basher, I'm nothing short of shocked! There are few people whom I hold in such high regard on Biblical Issues as you.
Could you please direct me to these scholars? I always supposed that the Bible didn't change since it was written in 1611.

Cranky Old Man 02-23-2010 10:33 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
Which part of "shall we now stop bickering about this" did you not get?

The KJV1611 Holy Bible is 100% perfect, let's please keep it at that.

True Disciple 02-23-2010 10:36 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man (Post 477255)
Which part of "shall we now stop bickering about this" did you not get?

The KJV1611 Holy Bible is 100% perfect, let's please keep it at that.

I'm sorry, Brother. I think I was a little confused, and a false Christian was mocking us on this thread, so I thought: "well, maybe we should sort this out."
Eskimo activity seems to have decreased somewhat, after all.

garcia 04-23-2011 06:19 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
our English translation of the bible is not inspired the Hebrew and Greek bible are. Amen so it does not really matter what English version you prefer or like. let the holy spirit guide you and you will find the truth. Amen.

Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson 04-23-2011 06:48 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738299)
our English translation of the bible is not inspired the Hebrew and Greek bible are.

How dare you claim God is too weak to preserve His words to man. :angry:

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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738299)
Amen so it does not really matter what English version you prefer or like. let the holy spirit guide you and you will find the truth. Amen.

People get into all sorts of trouble doing that. Take gay marriage for example. The Bible says it's wrong. Some liberal "Christians" claim that the Holy Spirit led them to believe it's okay and we should accept the queers.

I prayed and the Holy Spirit told me that it is disgusting and wrong. Obviously only one of is truly being led by the Spirit and that is me.

garcia 04-23-2011 07:41 PM

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I did not claim Gods was weak to preserve his word sorry did mean it that. I know you used it as an example but i don't believe in gay marriage. I meant to say is that the men who was inspired to write the bible wrote it in Hebrew and Greek. And that people make it seem as if the people that were inspired wrote the king James version. almost all the bible gives the same message that our God left to us. Amen

Meek and Humble 04-23-2011 07:51 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738336)
I did not claim Gods was weak to preserve his word sorry did mean it that. I know you used it as an example but i don't believe in gay marriage. I meant to say is that the men who was inspired to write the bible wrote it in Hebrew and Greek. And that people make it seem as if the people that were inspired wrote the king James version. almost all the bible gives the same message that our God left to us. Amen

Wrong. The King James Bible IS inspired!

http://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158cont.asp

You can read all about it there.

garcia 04-23-2011 08:08 PM

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Thank I will read it, I commenting on the the things i know know, I am still growing AMEN but what I am trying to say is that there is some errors in the King James Version not somthing so big that will effect the hole bible. for example Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth. In the Hebrew bible it does not say Created great whales (they can be included) its "the Monsters" this makes some people not think that dinosaurs where created with man.

Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson 04-23-2011 08:16 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738361)
Thank I will read it, I commenting on the the things i know know, I am still growing AMEN but what I am trying to say is that there is some errors in the King James Version not somthing so big that will effect the hole bible. for example Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth. In the Hebrew bible it does not say Created great whales (they can be included) its "the Monsters" this makes some people not think that dinosaurs where created with man.

That is clearly referring to creatures of the sea and that is the day before man is created.

garcia 04-23-2011 08:23 PM

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yeah, I know is a different day, i saying some believe what scientist say about dinosaurs live in a different time then man. yes there referring to creatures of the sea including sea dinos.

Meek and Humble 04-23-2011 08:31 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738361)
Thank I will read it, I commenting on the the things i know know, I am still growing AMEN but what I am trying to say is that there is some errors in the King James Version not somthing so big that will effect the hole bible. for example Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth. In the Hebrew bible it does not say Created great whales (they can be included) its "the Monsters" this makes some people not think that dinosaurs where created with man.

No, that's not true. There are NO mistakes in the King James Bible.

http://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_61.asp

garcia 04-23-2011 08:39 PM

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why say whales and not monsters, why did the translators choose to us whales? from what I know during that time they did not know about the dinos. yet and the only monster they knew where whales so they amused that the Hebrew bible was talking about whales.

Meek and Humble 04-23-2011 08:43 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738390)
why say whales and not monsters, why did the translators choose to us whales? from what I know during that time they did not know about the dinos. yet and the only monster they knew where whales so they amused that the Hebrew bible was talking about whales.

By all means, reject the KJV. You are the one who will go to hell, not me.

KJB is God's Perfect Word

garcia 04-23-2011 08:51 PM

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You don't go to hell by rejecting the kjv bible you go to hell by rejecting Jesus Christ. you should know that and I am not rejecting the kjv i read all the translation that is why i comment on it. brother! I have found so far that all of them give the same message. there are some crazy bible out there that add and subtract from gods word that i do not read. i am all ways seeking the truth that is What GOD wants us to do Amen.

Meek and Humble 04-23-2011 08:55 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738398)
You don't go to hell by rejecting the kjv bible you go to hell by rejecting Jesus Christ. you should know that and I am not rejecting the kjv i read all the translation that is why i comment on it. brother! I have found so far that all of them give the same message. there are some crazy bible out there that add and subtract from gods word that i do not read. i am all ways seeking the truth that is What GOD wants us to do Amen.

No. The King James Bible is the ONLY Bible you can read.

The KJV Only Controversy

garcia 04-23-2011 09:05 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
why you say that? why only kJV

BelieverInGod 04-23-2011 09:11 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738403)
why you say that? why only kJV

You can't be bothered to read his links, can you :thumbdown:

Jedediah 04-23-2011 09:15 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by BelieverInGod (Post 738408)
You can't be bothered to read his links, can you :thumbdown:

Typical socialist. He expects us to do his homework for him.

garcia 04-23-2011 09:19 PM

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nope don't want any body to do my homework just want to know his opinion

garcia 04-23-2011 09:26 PM

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read the link

garcia 04-23-2011 09:36 PM

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I believe im saved, i believe in our Lord and savor, he paid for my sins. No man tells me if i am save or not or i am going to hell or not only God is my Judge. I stopped eating the fruit from the tree knowledge of good and evil.I eat the fruit from the tree of life. AMEN!
thanks for all your comments! GOD bless You all AMEN

Meek and Humble 04-23-2011 10:19 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738420)
I believe im saved, i believe in our Lord and savor, he paid for my sins. No man tells me if i am save or not or i am going to hell or not only God is my Judge. I stopped eating the fruit from the tree knowledge of good and evil.I eat the fruit from the tree of life. AMEN!
thanks for all your comments! GOD bless You all AMEN

Can Someone Get Saved Using Another Version?

garcia 04-23-2011 10:52 PM

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Yes Amen God word is powerful and it protects us form the devil. I just want you to know that I read more the Hebrew and Greek bible than the English versions bibles I read the translations just to compare what I Have read, in the Hebrew and Greek.

Jedediah 04-23-2011 11:01 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738445)
Yes Amen God word is powerful and it protects us form the devil. I just want you to know that I read more the Hebrew and Greek bible than the English versions bibles I read the translations just to compare what I Have read, in the Hebrew and Greek.

I have to get to the church to let the kids in for our Youth Fellowship lock-in, so I don't have time to provide you with a lengthy reproval of your errors concerning the Bible. However, I will provide you with a useful discussion on the use of the original Greek and Hebrew over the KJV 1611 from my colleague. I trust you will find this edifying.

Can a translation be as good as the originals?


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Originally Posted by Dr. Samuel Gipp, ThD
QUESTION: The King James Bible is a mere translation from Greek to English. A translation can't be as good as the originals, can it?

ANSWER:
A translation cannot only be "as good" as the originals, but better.

EXPLANATION: There are three "translations" spoken of in the Bible. In all three cases, the translation referred to is better than the original. Since we accept the Bible as our final authority in all matters of faith and practice, ITS "practice" will have more authority than any "mere human" opinion.

1. The first translation mentioned in scripture is found in II Samuel 3:7-10.

7 "And Saul had a concubine, whose name was Rizpah, the daughter of Aiah: and Ishbosheth said to Abner, Wherefore hast thou gone in unto my father's concubine?
8 Then was Abner very wroth for the words of Ish-bosheth, and said, Am I a dog's head, which against Judah do shew kindness this day unto the house of Saul thy father, to his brethren, and to his friends, and have not delivered thee into the hand of David, that thou chargest me to day with a fault concerning this woman?
9 So do God to Abner, and more also, except, as the LORD hath sworn to David, even so I do to him;
10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba."

After the death of King Saul in I Samuel 31, Abner, who had been the captain of Saul's army installed Ishbosheth as King instead of David. (II Samuel 12:8,9)
Later Ishbosheth and Abner had a falling out. Abner, in anger, announces to Ishbosheth that he is going to "translate" the Kingdom of Israel from Ishbosheth to David..

It is obvious by Abner's statement of II Samuel 3:9 that the LORD wanted David to be king over all twelve tribes of Israel. Therefore the "translation" of the kingdom of Israel to David was BETTER than the "original" state which has a split kingdom with David rightly ruling over one portion and Ishbosheth wrongly ruling over the other section. (Remember the law of first mentions.)

2. The second translation spoken of in scripture is found in Colossians 1:13.

"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:"

Here the "translation" spoken of is the conversion of a lost sinner to a new life in Jesus Christ. No one in their right mind could even pretend that this translation is not a massive improvement over the "original" condition.

3. The third translation found in the Bible is located in Hebrews 11:5.
"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

The word "translate" only appears five times in scripture. Once in II Samuel, once in Colossians and the remaining three times here in Hebrews 11:5.

A Christian with even a shallow knowledge of the Bible is familiar with the story of Enoch from Genesis 5. Enoch walked with God and is known to have pleased God. He was a prophet (Judges 14) and a man of faith. God saw fit to physically take Enoch to heaven so that he would not have to experience death. This individual action is a miniature version of what Christians call "The Rapture," mentioned in I Corinthians 15, I Thessalonians 4, Titus 2 and various other places in the Bible. Since the word "Rapture" appears nowhere in scripture a more proper name for this future occurrence might be "The Blessed Hope" (Titus) or "The Catching Up" (I Thessalonians) of "Our Translation" (Hebrews).

It is obvious that Enoch's translation was an improvement over his "original" condition.

Thus we see that every translation mentioned in our final authority in all matters is an improvement over the original.

If you are a simple Bible believer you will have no trouble accepting this. If you worship education or just hate to be wrong you will reject this Bible fact as easily as you have rejected every Bible fact that you couldn't agree with.

It should be noted here that the perplexed translators of both the New American Standard Version and the New International Version, when faced with this glaring contradiction of their own personal prejudice, could not bring themselves to allow the word "translation" in any of the above mentioned passages.

Which will you follow, the Bible or men?


garcia 04-23-2011 11:14 PM

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Thanks, I do not want you guys think i am not hearing what you guys telling me. thank you! I am reading everything like i said before im still growing and searching the truth Amen!

Meek and Humble 04-23-2011 11:26 PM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738458)
Thanks, I do not want you guys think i am not hearing what you guys telling me. thank you! I am reading everything like i said before im still growing and searching the truth Amen!

No need to search. The truth is right here:

KING JAMES BIBLE ONLINE

garcia 04-24-2011 03:46 AM

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why does it say unsaved trash under my name ?

Born Again Bob 04-24-2011 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738554)
why does it say unsaved trash under my name ?

Can't imagine.
Posted via Mobile Device

garcia 04-24-2011 03:56 AM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
and what is this i hear about this web page been a cult.

BelieverInGod 04-24-2011 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738563)
and what is this i hear about this web page been a cult

I'm so tired of hearing this. We're a cult? Would a cult tell you to go read the KJV Bible and follow it? No! A cult would have a leader who had a "special message" from God, and we must all follow this leader. Every member of the Church has their own Bible and is capable of reading. More than I can say for most of the God-mockers that come here.

Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson 04-24-2011 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738563)
and what is this i hear about this web page been a cult.

Is your impression that we are a cult? Do we not merely quote the Bible? I would ask you to use the scriptures to prove it.

garcia 04-24-2011 04:13 AM

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theological doctrine ?

Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson 04-24-2011 04:15 AM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738577)
theological doctrine ?

Let's discuss that. How are we doctrinally wrong?

BelieverInGod 04-24-2011 04:16 AM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738577)
theological doctrine ?

Read the KJV Bible and show us where we're not scriptural.

You may want to read this thread first and all the threads linked in it. It's really tiring to hear the same garbage spewed here over and over again.

garcia 04-24-2011 04:18 AM

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i did not say anything about been wrong

garcia 04-24-2011 04:33 AM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
i do not have anything against the KJV bible, concern about been labeled unsaved trash, i believe in Christ so what is up with that.

BelieverInGod 04-24-2011 04:36 AM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738604)
i do not have anything against the KJV bible, concern about been labeled unsaved trash, i believe in Christ so what is up with that.

Haven't seen you post any scripture, what's up with that?

garcia 04-24-2011 04:39 AM

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Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven

BelieverInGod 04-24-2011 04:43 AM

Re: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - not Biblic
 
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Originally Posted by garcia (Post 738616)
Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven

The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)


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