Originally Posted by True Disciple (Post 731562)

There are quite a few Passages you are overlooking:

Ephesians 4:30:
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 1:22:
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

We are sealed by the Holy Spirit of God "unto the day of redemption." It protects us from falling away again.

John 10:28-29:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

No man is able to "pluck us from Jesus' hand" once Jesus gave us eternal life.

Romans 8:38-39:
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

There is nothing on this world that can separate us from Jesus' Love, once we have accepted Him as our Lord and Savior.:wub:

Romans 11:29:
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

If God called you to be Saved™, you are Saved™, because God doesn't repent about that.:thumbsup:

Philippians 1:6:
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

God will finish the Work He has begun in us until the last of days. He will prevent us from falling away.

1 Peter 1:5:
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Again, it is God who makes sure that we keep believing in Him and are Saved™. To say that Saved™ people can fall away again is to deny God's Power to keep us from doing so.

So you see, once a person is Saved™, God will make sure that that person remains Saved™. Are you doubting His Almighty Power?:huh:

Originally Posted by epignosis (Post 731780)

Originally Posted by epignosis (Post 731792)

Yes you are correct here. There are "sealed" ones.

Revelation 7:3-17 (King James Version)

3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.


9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

So these verses are talking about a sealed number. ( verse 4)
But in verse 9 there is another group which is larger and that does not have a specific number attached to it. But is much larger than the sealed group.
So there is 2 distinct groups here.

Originally Posted by True Disciple (Post 731807)

Friend, God also creates evil:

Isaiah 45:7:
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

According to your logic, this would imply that evil is therefore "perfect" as well.:lol:

Friend, how do you know the "seal of the Holy Spirit" Paul speaks of is the same as the "seal on the foreheads" of the 144.000?

Anyway, does this mean that you accept that Salvation™ is something we will not lose anymore, once we've attained it?:thumbsup:

Originally Posted by epignosis (Post 731780)

Deuteronomy 32:1-10 (King James Version)

Deuteronomy 32

1Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.

2My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

3Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

4He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Because all his work is perfect, this tells us that man (Adam) was not corrupted when created,but was perfect, but corrupted himself, by his being disloyal to God.


Genesis 1:26 (King James Version)

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


This scripture is saying that God was talking to Jesus and said "let us make man in our image". This means that we are like God in that we were perfect( would not die) and have the same qualities of God.


Romans 5 (King James Version)

Romans 5
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

The reason no man born of corruption ( from Adam) was used as a ransom, was that Adam was perfect, but all of Adams offspring were not perfect. Even though there were men that did follow God in a righteous way.
The one to come is Jesus, and he was to ransom mankind with the "similitude of Adam's transgression" Jesus was perfect just like Adam, so this would be the same type of situation that Adam had. A perfect man that lost perfection, able to ransome the rest of mankind by a perfect man who stayed loyal. Thus this gave mankind the opportunity to gain what was lost .

Originally Posted by Zechariah Smyth (Post 738525)

It looks like you've posted Scripture to make my point!

:lol:

Also: just because something is MADE perfectly does not mean it REMAINS perfect.

For instance, my wife made a delicious pie earlier today (apple, in case you're curious).

It was perfect!

What do you think it looks like now?

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

Originally Posted by Zechariah Smyth (Post 738525)

It looks like you've posted Scripture to make my point!

:lol:

Also: just because something is MADE perfectly does not mean it REMAINS perfect.

For instance, my wife made a delicious pie earlier today (apple, in case you're curious).

It was perfect!

What do you think it looks like now?

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne (Post 543475)

As a long-time pastor and forum contributor here, time and time again I have seen unsaved scum waltz into here and tell us "Jesus said we shouldn't judge others". I then say, "Ok, can you show us Scripture to back up your claim?" They then respond with "Judge not that ye be not judged." This is nothing more than taking Scripture out of context.

Contrary to popular belief, Matthew 7:1-5 is not a prohibition against all judgment. These verses are a warning against hypocritical judgment, not judgment in itself. Jesus is saying we cannot judge others when we are guilty of the same sin. Let's look at the verses and I will guide you through them using my 45 years of pastoral experience and two doctorate degrees at the helm.

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

This basically says if you judge others, you will be judged accordingly. This makes sense. Of course, I can judge others and I welcome Christ to judge me, because I am free of sin (see 1 John 3:6-9). He can judge me all He wants.

We True Christians™ are perfect. Therefore we all welcome God to judge us!

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

This means hypocrisy. How can you judge another man for cheating on his wife when you do the same? A "mote" is a small speck of wood, while a "beam" is a large chunk of wood. Jesus is speaking in analogy here. How can you see the wood (sin) in your brother's eye when you have a larger one in your own?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Again, hypocrisy. Jesus is saying that hypocrisy clouds judgment. If you live in sin, you are not a True Christian™ and therefore are not granted the right to judge. You are filthy, disgusting, undeserving unsaved scum whose opinions do not matter. Jesus makes that very clear.

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Now read this last part very closely. This tells us that we can judge others! Jesus is saying to remove your own sin first, then you can judge others.

How can anyone say this is a prohibition against all judging, unless they were woefully ignorant of the Bible? Jesus makes it crystal clear that we cannot judge if we are hypocrites, and that to do righteous judgment instead (as True Christians™).



Not only can you not find a single instance where judging in itself is prohibited, you find many verses which command us to judge!

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1st Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1st Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1st Corinthians 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1st Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1st Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?.
1st Corinthians 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1st Corinthians 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1st Corinthians 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

...And so on. We can see from the verses above that God does allow judgment under certain conditions, namely: Only True Christians™ can judge. We are righteous (notice all the references to righteous judgment) and therefore the only ones capable of judging others. Conversely, those that are unsaved have no right to judge at all. So, God does have limits placed on judgment and those are the limits.

Again, I must point reiterate, nowhere in the Bible does it tell us not to judge. Period. I hope this exegesis of Matthew 7:1-5 has been enlightening for you and and you will refrain from looking like an idiot in the future by claiming that "Jesus said we can't judge others".

Yours in Christ,

Rev. Jim Osborne

Originally Posted by comeonseriously (Post 892407)

Also known as the passage in which Jesus actually has a say and not some ancient scribe.

Originally Posted by Prayer Warrior (Post 1188468)

Renowned pastor Steve Anderson recently gave a sermon on this very issue and exposed the hypocrisy and absurdity of these "Judge Not" liberal pansies.

Originally Posted by Roland (Post 1188592)

At 4:48 this guy says he is a sinner. To him it doesn´t seem like a huge issue. Will he go to hell?

Originally Posted by Brentin (Post 1188717)

[...]
I'm open to further knowledge to those of more wisdom. But I read from these verses which clearly states who will get to heaven. And if they have Truely repented of there sins, and have been justified and sanctified through the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. That you can be perfect in fact the bible clearly calls for us to be perfect. Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Originally Posted by Roland (Post 1188778)

Hello Brentin,

Here lies the issue: You can not be a sinner and saved at the same time. This pastor claims he is a sinner, thus not saved. As far as I understand that means he will go to his lake of fire and brimstone, gnashing his teeth.

Kind regards,

Roland

Originally Posted by Prayer Warrior (Post 1188842)

[...]

Again, based on the scriptural soundness of this man's sermons, if he is currently engaging in sin, I'd like to at least consider him a Christ Seeker, who will at some point in the future could fully accept Christ into his heart and cast away with his last remaining vestiges of sin once and for all. I won't know for sure until we're both dead, but I'd like to think his odds are very good:thumbsup:

Originally Posted by True Disciple (Post 731562)

There are quite a few Passages you are overlooking:

Ephesians 4:30:
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 1:22:
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

We are sealed by the Holy Spirit of God "unto the day of redemption." It protects us from falling away again.

John 10:28-29:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

No man is able to "pluck us from Jesus' hand" once Jesus gave us eternal life.

Romans 8:38-39:
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

There is nothing on this world that can separate us from Jesus' Love, once we have accepted Him as our Lord and Savior.:wub:

Romans 11:29:
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

If God called you to be Saved™, you are Saved™, because God doesn't repent about that.:thumbsup:

Philippians 1:6:
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

God will finish the Work He has begun in us until the last of days. He will prevent us from falling away.

1 Peter 1:5:
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Again, it is God who makes sure that we keep believing in Him and are Saved™. To say that Saved™ people can fall away again is to deny God's Power to keep us from doing so.

So you see, once a person is Saved™, God will make sure that that person remains Saved™. Are you doubting His Almighty Power?:huh:

Originally Posted by Diesel Stanford (Post 1232565)

About judgement: many other people in public have attacked me for mocking the accents of non-Kiwis. Then I always show them John 7:24 to proof that it only talks about how a person looks outside.