CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

I am tired of all the atheist coming to this forum and claiming God does not exists, Jesus was a pacifist, and all sorts of attacks against our beliefs.

But I have NEVER seen any of them come here and speak ill of the Holy Ghost. They do not dare, they want to have the chance, "just in case", to repent and be forgiven.


Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.



So come on! Come here and let your blasphemies begin. Burn the ships, so you can never ever be forgiven! Prove you don't believe!

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

A great challenge, Brother Gomez, to those chest beating atheists who come around here itching for a fight. I can imagine the atheists are hiding under a table saying, "Oh no. Not me. I didn't say nothin' about the Holy Ghost."

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

It's called "putting your money where your mouth is."

James 2:19-20 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

So many people think they can put off repenting. They think they can do as they please and have their fun and sneak into Heaven just under the wire with a deathbed conversion. It reminds of the Parable of the Rich Fool.

Lk 12:16-20
16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?

Don't leave it till it's too late. Jesus wants you be miserable now (Heb 13:12-13)!

If there's one thing Jesus hates more than those openly opposed to Him, it's fence-sitters.

Rev 3:15-16
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

It's time to get off the fence. If you're not going to repent, you might as well seal your doom.

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

One day has passed, I was hoping at least ONE atheist would have passed here and sent his regards to the Holy Ghost.

Afraid of something, atheist? Is it not all a delusion?

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

The waiting seems endless, doesn't it? I don't know about anyone else, but we're very nearly out of popcorn here.

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

what if they're not afraid,they just don't want to talk with someone who doesn't have an open mind. Like me. God could be real or not. Let's leave it at that. I respect your opinion so please respect mine.

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

I am not asking you to talk to me, but to the Holy Ghost, and make it public.


It is not your case, you believe there is a God but you still refuse to see Him how He is.


Start reading your Bible, and avoid committing blasphemy, there is still hope for you IF you change your evil ways.

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

Yes, it is sad that you don't have an open mind. You are very young though, and there is still time to open your mind to God. Have you considered at least trying to do so?

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

Your opinion seems to be that you ½ believe in God. I'm taking "could be real or not" as a 50/50 proposition. Less ambivalent is the question of atheists wishing.—.or not wishing.—.to talk with us. Of all the many things it's possible to contemplate this comes as close to 100% as anyone could get: yes!

They turn up here going on and on and on and on and on..... ..... ..... .....

There was a time when I had "opinions" such as whether Paul was a real person who wrote letters out to various people or whether there was a sort of school of thought. where a particular theology was developed by various authors in a series of frame narratives attributed to a Paul who never existed or who may have existed once but it wouldn't matter very much because we have the resulting body of work whatever its origin was.

You could compare The Analects Of Confucius perhaps, or ideas proposed by The Pythagorean School.

Pythagoras is well known for inventing triangles and for describing the musical scale. Whether or not there was an actual Pythagoras is immaterial because the properties of triangles remain the same. They had existed before of course but were used in a novel application which is something you could look up if you were interested. Similarly for musical scales. A guitar may be tuned whether or not one knows why. it's in tune; all that's needed is to know that. it's in tune. But people back then were superstitious, just as some people are superstitious today, and the Pythagorean School (of philosophy) also murmured on crackpot topics for several centuries. Aficionados wrote that stuff down too, and it's all collected.—.well, the bits that remain are collected.—.as if Pythagoras had written it even though everyone knows he didn't. Because he would have been dead for most of it. But not at the beginning. If he existed.

Confucius lived around the same time. It is an interesting period of history. In his case, ideas also accumulated over several centuries and were aggregated into what we call The Analects. Whether an actual Confucius discussed such topics is immaterial since we can see what those topics are and how the Chinese system of etiquette is supposed to work, for an ordered society. You don't have to agree with it but you can see what it is.

So I was like that. When it comes to Jesus, though, we're dealing with a different category of person. It's not what He said that had the effect but what He did. Jesus was born for the explicit purpose of being killed. For a few years He did say things but the whole point of Christianity is that He was killed to undo the immense damage brought down by Eve's disobedience and Adam's listening to what she said.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Genesis 3:11a-18a

GOD
Who told thee that thou wast naked?


ADAM
The woman whom thou gavest to be with me (she gave me of the tree)


GOD (speaking to Eve)
What is this that thou hast done?


GOD (speaking to Adam)
Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife.….cursed
is the ground for thy sake.….thorns also and thistles shall it
bring forth to thee

The reference is there for the whole passage in context. These are the sorts of topics atheists bring up all the time. Over and over again. It doesn't matter how robustly they are refuted. Opinions about whether Jesus was real or if He said the things attributed to Him.—.which explain for us the significance of what He did.—.are not like speculation regarding Confucius or Pythagoras or even Paul. Jesus Christ restored humanity to be what had always been intended and that required Him to be A} born and B} killed. This is disputed by atheists as thousands of posts will reveal. God knew that would happen of course and also that many people would reject Salvation. But unwillingness to air their views? Definitely not. There must be a different reason.

I Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

I know I cannot blaspheme the Holy Ghost because I am full of it!!

And there is no one who will dispute that!!

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

I have actually, But I always have questions that can't be answered with the Bible and God. I am open minded and I have looked at it from all sides. I can see it through your eyes, even though I may not agree with it. Let's take feminism real quick. It WAS good. It gave women the right to vote, equal pay, ect. But now, it's not needed in the slightest. It's just anti-man now, along with abortion which is not ok in the slightest. It also includes a lot of white shaming and skinny shaming. Now if we take a look at it from a feminist viewpoint, it kinda makes sense even though it's not ethical nor factually based. Like abortion, "What if the women is raped, and she isn't ready for a child?" Ok, that makes sense. BUT, the rate of rape in the U.S is 0.1% in the U.S. So chances of the situation is slim. Now let's take that into this situation. A scientist by the name of Dr. Stephan Unwin calculated that there is a 67% chance of God existing, so more than half. (Here's the link if you would like to check it out for yourself. https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...reducation.uk1)
Anyway, this post is already to long, so im going to wrap it up here. Have a good day to anyone who reads this.

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

Now I am utterly confused, dear. You will understand why. Are you claiming to be someone who doesn't have an open mind, or someone who is open-minded? Because I think you probably ought to understand the difference, and it is really difficult to engage with someone who is so internally conflicted.

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

Hello Miss Scoutmain, I don't think we have interacted before. I do applaud your attempt at cultural relativism; however, if at the end of your experiment, you still don't agree with your opponent's position, that would mean you are not really looking at it through his or her eyes.

I am not sure what is covered under "etc" but I do agree that getting the right to vote was great. The equal pay thing, it would be great if it ever happens. Here is a graphic from the Pew Research Center:


https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-conte...resize=420,569

I will happily provide more statistics if you so desire. Or, you could google "pay inequalities gender" yourself.
So, you think we don't need to fight for equal pay for women? In this case, you have more in common with this lovely Baptist community than you think - they, too, believe that women are inferior creatures who do not deserve equal pay.

And all the feminists are doing all of that?

The chances that Boeing 787 will crush killing all passengers are also slim, yet all civilized countries grounded these planes after barely second occurrence.

I'm more of a social scientist and therefore not much of a number person, but I do logic. So here is a logic thought experiment for you. Think of all recorded human history. Our species did some great things, but also a lot of very shitty things, such as genocides, slavery, colonization, other forms of oppression... Most if not all of these acts were done using religion - and therefore God - as their justification. I'm not saying religion is cause of all wars and oppression - economical aspects certainly play a role - but it does provide justification and thus motivation for those who are committing all sorts of atrocities.

How come God allowed all these atrocities committed in His name?

Now, think of the victims of these crimes. Some of them were atheist, but many of them believed in God. And they prayed, that God would help them. And prayed. And prayed. To no avail.

What sort of a God doesn't listen to the prayers of those who are suffering?

So, in my view, there are three possibilities:

(1) God exists, He created us, but for whatever reason He's powerless now. Don't bother praying to Him - He cannot help you and/or He cannot hear you. So basically, worshiping Him is a waste of your time.

(2) God exists, He is all-powerful, but it's that He doesn't really care. He is a Great Scientist watching a rat experiment in the lab. He doesn't care about individual rats, He only cares about the outcome of the experiment as a whole. In this case, I don't think He's even worth of our worship, and even if you still think He is worth of our worship - well, He won't listen to you, so your prayer is a waste of your time.

(3) The true reason why God allows innocent people to suffer and does not listen to their prayers is because He does not exist at all. In which case, praying and worshiping something that does not exist, is again a waste of your time.

As I mentioned before, I'm not that great at numbers, so I won't provide pretty numbers for each of these possibilities. Nonetheless, I hope I provided enough arguments to show that praying to a deity which either (1) is powerless, or (2) doesn't care, or (3) doesn't exist, is, yeah you guessed it - a waste of your time.

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

I see a lot of blah but no blasphemy against the Holy Ghost yet. Afraid?

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

Brother Gonz, I suspect Señora de Barriga doesn't want to lose her access to the people of Freehold until she's finished her so-called "study". Though the following doesn't sound promising for her statistical analysis, does it?

Maybe she'll get some unfortunate male grad student to do her work for her? Typical female "academic"!

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

It's like that tautology in another thread "There's no God because miracles are impossible."

..well ..duh ..:fail: clickable atheist

Now it's the gendernonspecificity and "equal pay for equal work!"

How can any two people do equal work? If they did they'd be the same person. You might as well demand equal outcomes for equal participation in the same sport!

At the end of the day, they know that there's a God because (just like those miracles) there is a Holy Spirit to blaspheme. Without the impossible, how could there be miracles?

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

That sort of thing sounds very like one of those commie job-creation programs to me. Why on earth would you need two people to do the same work? That's just unnecessary duplication of labor.
And there you have it, in one simple sentence. It just goes to prove that Brother Gonzalez is right.

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

I try to avoid expressing opinions. From what I can make out the communist experiment imploded because the supposed commanders-in-chief had no idea at all.

And I mean absolutely oblivious to the most basic elements of everything they controlled.

They had constructed neither the society nor the technologies propping up their ivory tower. Even as Marx penned his precious greenhouse flower, around the time of Abraham Lincoln, there were informed leaders in Russia.

Name	b.	reign/other	d.
Abraham Lincoln.	.1809.	.1861 – 1865.	.1865.
Tsar Alexander II.	.1818.	.1855 – 1881.	.1881.
Karl Marx (atheist).	.1818.	Communist Manifesto published 1848	.1883.

The commies didn't get a guernsey until the 1910's. As I say, it's not my place to express an opinion and the dates speak for themselves. Anyone interested could investigate further but the criminally narrow focus of commie "leaders" caused more than mere implosion. They were not leaders at all. They were followers. Followers of a bankrupt belief system rooted in ideology having no basis in reality whatsoever. Of course we know this now.

As it was known then.

By some.

But those people were killed. How else could falsehoods be spread? Eventually the pressure from below reached a critical mass and the lid blew off forever. Is there anything new under the sun?

Galatians 4:22 – 5:1 Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

So I'm guessing Marx never read Galatians.

Re: CHALLENGE TO ALL ATHEISTS: COME AND COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
 

It's been a week, atheists, and none of you have dared!

I will extend this to members of other religions who claim there is a different God. Come on, nobody dares? It means we are right, they are wrong, we have won the definitive battle!