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Johny Joe Hold 09-23-2022 03:11 PM

Will those the Gospel has Not Reached Go To Hell? You Betcha
 
I can't tell you how many good people in Freehold have told me this: "People in deepest dark Africa or in the middle of the dessert in Saudia Aribia who have never heard the Gospel are innocent and will go to heaven." I hate to tell them they are wrong, but they are.

Psalm 51:5 explains why those in remote places in the world, in places not yet reached by Landover Baptist and have never heard Pastor Zeke preach, are sinners. It is because the Bible tells us clearly all people are born sinners, "...in sin my mother conceived me." To put it bluntly, if we white people in the West are born sinners, so are those in every corner of the globe. It does not matter if the Gospel has reached them or not, they are headed to hell.

Those "unreached" have even fewer excuses as technology moves forward. Cell phones are common in remote areas. People can find us here at Landover Baptist. If they are too lazy to log on, they get the eternity they deserve.

David Platt on why people who don't hear Gospel won't see Heaven | Church & Ministries News (christianpost.com)

MitzaLizalor 09-23-2022 05:18 PM

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That was going so well, until the very end:
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And it's not to waste your life [carving] out a comfortable Christian spin on the American dream. You were created for so much more than this,'" he concluded.
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Am I to understand the American dream is something other than applied Christianity?

A sort of pure theory upon which multiple veneers may be overlaid?

Surely that would mean there was an atheist American dream (with a comfortable atheist spin) or a demoniac American dream (with a comfortable demonic spin) or even a sodomite American dream (with a comfortable anal spin) ? ? ?

Name the heresy or demon of your choice, any revolting idol you like, any high priestess presiding over any depraved temple, all could be veneered upon the pure theory according to taste all at the same time, it follows if such people all exist at the same time, but apart from that it was an interesting read.

In Christ.

handmaiden 09-23-2022 05:22 PM

Re: Will those the Gospel has Not Reached Go To Hell? You Betcha
 
Thank you, Brother Mayor, for your courage in stating an unpopular, but Biblically-supported truth.

There is just so much that the Fluffy Bunny "Christians" do not want to accept about their supposedly Bible-based faith.


It may be worth asking them if anyone, anywhere, could get into Heaven without faith in Jesus, then why did Jesus have to die in the first place?

Johny Joe Hold 09-23-2022 06:04 PM

Re: Will those the Gospel has Not Reached Go To Hell? You Betcha
 
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Originally Posted by handmaiden (Post 1303162)
It may be worth asking them if anyone, anywhere, could get into Heaven without faith in Jesus, then why did Jesus have to die in the first place?

Jesus made it clear in John 14:6, "I am the way and the truth and the light." Just because someone was born and grew up in a deep dark jungle somewhere does not change that. The inevitable and unavoidable rule is, get with the program.

Dr. Anthony J. Toole 09-24-2022 05:15 PM

Re: Will those the Gospel has Not Reached Go To Hell? You Betcha
 
Brothers and Sisters, thank you for this timely message from The Christian Post. I remember as a child asking the Pastor if everyone born before the time of Jesus had gone to Hell, even though God would know He was condemning them to Hell without any chance of salvation? Yes.

Same for those unsaved souls in Africa - they are basically condemned to Hell. We know God doesn't care that much, but we can nevertheless do something to save them with a donation to the Church. I'll let Pastor Platt persuade you:

"We spend most of our money on ourselves. We give some of our money to churches and ministries. And we spend most of that money in churches and ministries on making ourselves more comfortable in our churches and ministries. And then there's a small percentage of the money that we give to churches and ministries that goes toward what we normally call missions overseas to other countries. We're fooling ourselves if we think we're passionate about giving to missions while we're ignoring 3 billion people who've never heard the Gospel."

Edit: please don't send donations directly to Pastor Platt, but rather to Pastor Zeke who will bless your donation for a small cut.

MitzaLizalor 09-25-2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Anthony J. Toole
Platt: ". . . We're fooling ourselves if we think we're passionate about giving to missions while we're ignoring 3 billion people who've never heard the Gospel."
I'm not sure how starving missionaries would share with those billions, despite the fact of trillions [USD] having been lavished upon them over the last hundred years. And yet still there are places where Christians are strung up on sight, more or less, suggesting that they HAVE heard The Gospel in order to be able to identify a Christian in the first place. Otherwise it would be, “Crazy person come from land far away many seas tell strange tales,” rather than, “It's another Christian; string it up..” (or run it through) “..and dump..” (or eat) “..it like the last one.” Why would they do that?

WWJDnow 09-26-2022 08:28 AM

Re: Will those the Gospel has Not Reached Go To Hell? You Betcha
 
I'm glad that persons who haven't heard the Gospel are going straight to Hell. They are unrepentant sinners who totally deserve eternal torture. Plus, who wants to be in Heaven with a bunch of illiterate savages?

The same applies to unsaved children. I don't want Heaven to be filled with sinful, snot-nosed kids running around on the lawn of my Heavenly mansion.

God is right to damn these people to Hell. :firedevil: :diablo:

MitzaLizalor 09-26-2022 04:39 PM

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You've raised an interesting point. A mature savage, a moon worshipper say, hears The Gospel before dismembering the missionary. Others in the village, or town, or even city where the news could be broadcast using print media (for the literate) such as stone slabs or by interpretive dance, learn what happened.


This would be cast as the domestic culture having been preserved. In future, any missionaries need to be brought to the chief's attention. Would this ability to identify the Christian message and report it constitute having heard The Gospel?

Johny Joe Hold 09-26-2022 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor (Post 1303253)
In future, any missionaries need to be brought to the chief's attention. Would this ability to identify the Christian message and report it constitute having heard The Gospel?

I agree that it would be fairer to expose all heathens everywhere to The Gospel and make a record of when heathens had been warned about the consequences of their sins. Perhaps we could send stone monuments with missionaries saying THESE PEOPLE HAVE HEARD THE WARNING when they go into the field. After preaching, then, missionaries would merely chisel into the stone the date and no excuses would be valid after that.

All of this is not required by God, however, and it would be extra work and expense for those of us in the faith. Heathens need to take responsibility for their eternity themselves.

Dr. Anthony J. Toole 09-26-2022 06:02 PM

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Would it be more persuasive to the savages to use technological wonders to shock and awe them out of their primitive beliefs? I mean, wouldn't they see the sky lit up with animated points of light that explode into fantastical patterns, and think: gee, our stone bowls and convoluted creation stories are kind of ridiculous aren't they, perhaps there's something else out there? I think they would find that convincing.

MitzaLizalor 09-26-2022 06:11 PM

Re: Will those the Gospel has Not Reached Go To Hell? You Betcha
 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Anthony J. Toole (Post 1303257)
see the sky lit up with animated points of light that explode into fantastical patterns

I believe they already have a product able to achieve that.

Dennis Lukes 12-07-2022 02:15 AM

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Sitting here laughing at the thought of some elderly Amazonian shaman who's never heard of Christianity lying down one night to sleep and waking up in the Lake of Fire, burning in agony with no idea why and no way to make it stop. When he's not blinded by sulfur he looks up and sees Jesus glaring down at him, arms crossed and shaking his head in disapproval. LOL

That's what happens to aborted babies too :(

Johny Joe Hold 12-07-2022 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dennis Lukes (Post 1305154)
Sitting here laughing at the thought of some elderly Amazonian shaman who's never heard of Christianity lying down one night to sleep and waking up in the Lake of Fire, burning in agony with no idea why and no way to make it stop. When he's not blinded by sulfur he looks up and sees Jesus glaring down at him, arms crossed and shaking his head in disapproval. LOL
That's what happens to aborted babies too :(

It's sad so many live in a fantasy world where they think everything turns out hunky dory. The real world is God's world where dire consequences await. I wish I could say to someone who has never heard of Jesus that things will be OK for them. That's not possible. They are headed for the fire.

Dr. Anthony J. Toole 12-07-2022 05:21 AM

Re: Will those the Gospel has Not Reached Go To Hell? You Betcha
 
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Originally Posted by Johny Joe Hold (Post 1305156)
I wish I could say to someone who has never heard of Jesus that things will be OK for them. That's not possible.

This is the very reason we post online and campaign so hard outside Planned Parenthood imploring people - anyone out there at all - to come and be saved.

MitzaLizalor 12-07-2022 08:02 AM

Re: Will those the Gospel has Not Reached Go To Hell? You Betcha
 
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Originally Posted by A. Toole (Post 1303257)
the sky lit up with animated points of light that explode into fantastical patterns

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Originally Posted by Me (Post 1303258)
I believe they already have a product able to achieve that.

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Originally Posted by D. Lukes (Post 1305154)
Amazonian shaman




Bad enough for the rapscallion landing in a lake of fire—Jesus Christ's idea not mine—imagine if he was on The Ayahuasca Trip for his death experience? Ew. The sky was jagged elvenkind in every iridescent hue. The ground itself was serpents, the very air a swamp of leering faces. His innards were electric, the glands humming drop-dead gorgeous harmonies, the organs overclocking like crazy. Drop-dead, the salient adjective here becomes a verb, our shaman lands in the lake of fire in this wretched condition can you even imagine?

"Death is too good for them," a sassy indictment of loons on social media, gets wings here: death too good, sir or madam? The management has an alternative plan for all our more enthusiastic clients: molten brimstone with everlasting cloying smoke on ayahuasca: enhanced agitation assured. It's so important to bring The Gospel Message to jungle dwellers and one way to achieve this is by removing the jungle. Although an expensive undertaking, it can be achieved without blanket destruction by collecting and sorting the trees and value adding. Mahogany furniture gets a good return, especially bespoke handmade items from skilled carpenters and joiners, in line with Christ's own profession.

And especially at this time of year, durable furnishings and funds for Bibles to jungle shamans go hand in hand as we remember the baby who had to be born so that it could be killed to set us free forever.

What shaman can say that?

Johny Joe Hold 12-07-2022 03:09 PM

Re: Will those the Gospel has Not Reached Go To Hell? You Betcha
 
I was delighted recently to read of a doctor's mission trip to SE Asia. He concluded most of the people there had never heard of Jesus. Using his medical terminology, he said sin was so bad there it is a pandemic.

It is worse than covid, he said, because a pandemic passes. An eternity in fire does not.

https://www.christianpost.com/voices...ic-of-sin.html

MitzaLizalor 12-08-2022 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny Joe Hold (Post 1305174)

https://www.christianpost.com/voices/the-great-commission-is-the-antidote-to-the-pandemic-of-sin.html
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In fact, as I was sitting down some days ago preparing to write out a testimony regarding our trip, I received a text from one of the team members on the ground there asking for prayer for a demon-possessed boy named Nishant. I’m excited to report that two hours after we asked our local church to pray for Nishant, I received another unsolicited update letting us know that it seems Nishant was delivered. Praise the Lord!

Genesis 1:31 – 2:2 God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
When God made eyeball worms and botflies He described them as Very Good© because there was no sin in the world. Once Eve started operating, that changed almost immediately. The Scripture reference is explicit that everything was already made by then. God did not start moonlighting on Himself by doing another batch to infect eyeballs or burrow into the skin as maggots.

Even thorns and thistles were not created to impede agriculture Genesis 3:18 but either had their nature changed or previously grew somewhere else. Was that was an act of God, causing thornless varieties to sprout spikes, or the direct influence of sin? For example, an appropriately tuned pipe organ causing its building to collapse is a direct result of the sound. God doesn't say,“O that organ is producing a dreadful sound I'd better go and disintegrate the building.” The sound pressure alone is enough to do that. Sin could directly cause spikes to sprout OR God could modify the plants in some way OR preexisting thistles and thorns growing elsewhere could have been introduced.

Loathsome disease is rampant in SE Asia, all of Asia actually, but just as God has not told us how thistles got here—because it's unimportant—so it is with worms and maggots. The interaction between humans and other lifeforms might never have had a botfly ready to deposit maggots in the same place as a human at the same time. Similarly with eyeball worms. Your eye needs to be where the worm is if it's going jo jump into your eye. They could have already existed or their nature could have become infused with sin, radiating out from Eve, just as Adam was infused.

The sin lifestyle clearly brings humans and The Botts into close proximity. It's a straightforward infection. Demons however have changed their nature from angelic beings to vile incorporeal agents every bit as keen to jump in as botflies and worms but lacking the means to do so without explicit invitation. False religions are merely the formula enabling that invitation to be made. It could be a form of words, a style of dancing, drum rhythms specific to an individual demon, even some revolting concoction consumed as food. Asia has all of these and in its SouthEast all of them are celebrated at the same time.

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Ignorant types who deny God's existence and claim there's nothing historical in The New Testament often ask me, “If demon possession is a thing and can be remedied through prayer, why not pray for all demons to be evacuated from all humans?” That would deny faith. It's about as meaningful as claiming God came back on the eighth day to create leprosy.

Acts 12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.
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WWJDnow 12-12-2022 06:01 AM

Re: Will those the Gospel has Not Reached Go To Hell? You Betcha
 
I know that I don't want my eternal reward sitting next to Jesus to be marred by the presence of a bunch of ignorant, dark-skinned savages who haven't heard the Good News of Jesus Christ. Who knows what kind of sins they'd commit in Heaven? Perhaps God might let in a few as scullery maids or as dancers at heavenly luaus and whatnot, but I don't want to have to call the INS to report my neighbors in Heaven the way I do here on Earth. And, for God's sake, I don't want to have to deal with people speaking languages other than English after I die.


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