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Don't you get it? You need NO material evidence to feel there is a God out there. God itself isn't a material thing. I didn't say He doesn't care, I only said He gave us free will so if some sort of drunk people want to write such thing as a "holy bible" then He won't do anything about it. He is waiting for us to find a right way while respecting our MORALS. And if your morals guide you to impregnate your daughter then I'm sorry, but you have a serious mental illness. |
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What I'm trying to say is: if you reject the only source of our knowledge about God (the Holy Bible); and you also reject the only other alternative (science, evolution), then where the heck do you get your ideas from? Has it ever crossed your mind, that maybe you are wrong, and people who have actual evidence (that is, the Holy Bible) might be right? I will keep praying for you. You do believe in God, and that is a good start. :thumbsup: |
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I believe in evolution. I also believe in the theories of the Universe being created by an explosion.
I don't think all these happened by themselves, though. I believe there is a spiritual force strong enough to do all these, and this is named 'God'. I believe that nothing happened against His will. He created everything as an explosion. He created people by evolution, through time, so we will be related with all this world has to offer. |
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Then, once the people are finally around, God doesn't care about them, doesn't give them any rules to be followed, just lets them kill and rape and exploit each other as they please. Remind me again, why do you want to believe in and worship such a cruel God? Repent before it's too late, sweetie! :kjv1611-read: |
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Think about it. Either your beliefs are not rational or your deity is insane. Yours in Faith, Joanna |
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We have our own morals to follow, He put them into us for a reason. You don't need a book to tell you what to do, especially when it says raping your daughter is perfectly fine (impregnating her or not, RAPE means you have sex with someone who doesn't want to, so you're raping her anyway). Following your morals, you know that it's wrong to kill people, it's wrong to rape someone and so many other things. You need no other rules but your good feelings to follow. I don't think it's cruel. |
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When you think about morals that "God put in us to follow," you actually think about your own cultural values which you were socialized to treat as "natural.*" Newsflash, honey - they aren't, which is exactly why we need the Holy Bible to guide us. Quote:
Everything depends on context. For example: one group of Muslims beheads a single guy, and all Americans want to go and bomb the whole region. Another group of Muslims beheads eight people every month, and we think they are our best of friends and would never ever consider any type of military action against them. Do you see the difference? Do you see your own hypocrisy? Quote:
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This doesn't take into account the kind of suffering that comes from infection, a simple sliver causing a staff infection that would swiftly wipe out the life of a child. It doesn't take into account the kind of suffering that comes from childbirth, the loss of blood and oxygen that naturally kills both mother and child because the birth canal is not naturally designed to reliably accommodate the size of the fetus' skull. It doesn't take into account the suffering that comes from imprisonment from humans, who are prone to paranoia and tribal thinking, the kind of thinking that identifies an enemy in seemingly irrational cues like race, religion, economic or social policy. The overwhelmingly majority of conscious, sentient beings do not die peacefully in their beds, surrounded by loved ones, pampered and soothed in loving compassion. And this, according to you, is how your 'God' would intend it. This is the 'God' you worship. This is the 'God' you love and honor and hold in highest regard. This 'God' is disgusting. This 'God' is horrifying. This 'God' is capricious and sociopathic and would be judged to be villainous and unworthy of the tiniest piece of affection if he were any other character, one allowed to be judged fairly and intelligently. This is a 'God' who could have designed a morally positive creation, but instead opted for one that is inherently filled with fear and pain, and watches from afar without concern. Your 'God' is a character I would spit on if he were real and I had to the opportunity to do so. The Real God, the God revealed in the Holy Bible however, is a loving, merciful God (1 John 4:8). The Real God created a world in Perfect Glory to reveal His Glory (Philippians 2:9-11). The Real God allows freedom of will so that people can choose to Glorify Him or not (Mark 8:34). The Real God sent His Only Begotten Son to pay the price of Sin so that after this world of suffering, the world poisoned by Sin, the genuine lover of the Real God will be rewarded for ever and ever (Romans 4:25). Amen. |
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You believe in a God who accepts "impregnating" your own daughter. Who says that it's okay to sell you wife or daughter .Who hates some of His creations just because they have mental problems they DIDN'T CHOSE TO HAVE ( I'm talking about suicidal / homosexual / sick people in general ). Maybe there is a reason why those people are this way. As I said before, without bad you wouldn't be able to see the good. You are a woman. How come you agree to believe in a God who allows your daughter to be impregnated by her dad? You, as a mother, HOW would you feel? To know the child you grew in your tummy with so much care and love is now pregnant with her father? And much more, GOD ALLOWS THAT. Isn't that a cruel God? |
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You would have us believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, the last one of which was a nine-year-old girl. BIG DIFFERENCE, heathen! God wrote the Bible, don't you doubt it for a second. Satan wants you to believe that mankind wrote the Bible, but it's not true. God Almighty, creator of the known universe, gave us the KJV Bible so that we would know His Holy word. Jesus Himself said that we are to obey EVERY WORD of the Holy Bible! :rtfm: Quote:
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2. He didn't lost control, He has control of everything. There is a reason why sometimes God leaves mistakes to be done in this world: Without them, some people would never learn their lessons. Without mistakes, there wouldn't be truth and justice. A God who allows acts of cruelty is obviously a cruel God. I honestly don't believe there is such thing as a cruel God. |
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At least, Harry Potter and Winnie the Pooh never pretended to be true stories as the Bible did. You are talking about a pedophile like it's something bad (which it really is ) , but you forgot your religion allows pedophilia too. Fathers impregnating their young daughters isn't pedophilia as well? Look, I'm so sick of religion, as you see it. Religion is supposed to guide you to the best qualities, to the best in life, but instead of doing that, all the religions are trying to manipulate people and make them do whatever they are told. They are teaching you that females are miserable and useless human beings, that there's no problem if you're daughter gets raped by an uninvited guest. Where is the respect? Where are the kind words? Where is the love your so called "PERFECT" God put into us? Where is the acceptance? Where is the parent - children love? No religion is completely pure, but all of them pretend to be right. Are you sure your beloved Jesus said that? What's your proof? OOOH I forgot. Your proof is the Bible. So in the Bible someone wrote that Jesus said you HAVE to believe every word in the Bible. Maybe Jesus has never said that. It was just wrote in the Bible so it will make it more believable. God left life on Earth, not a book. A book is created by people. It has no life. As I said, the only proof you have that God exists is the Earth you're standing on and the life around you. The book that appeared after is just something people created to manipulate people back then. |
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Do you really NOT see how flawed your logic is? That IF God is so mighty and all powerful that He could create absolutely everything (which we know He is) that He will also be capable of creating a simple book!? |
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Now if we compare Father A with another father (let's call him "Father B"), who gives his children a specific set of directions of what is right and what is wrong, and who punishes the children who do not follow these directions, and rewards the children who do, would call this father "caring?" News flash: the God you believe in is the first father. Personally, I would call him sadistic, not caring. The members of the Landover Baptist Church believe in God who is like the second father. You might think that some of His rules are harsh, but that's what caring fathers do - give their children clear rules to follow. Quote:
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While I can cosy up to the thought of squirting one into my daughter's baby-maker. I have difficulty reconciling the notion of marrying her after and committing polygamy.
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I find your analogy pretty interesting, but I feel something is missing. Father A is not a witness of torturing and killing only. He is also a witness to the good little things people do to help the others by THEMSELVES. No one told them to be kind, there are people who never read the Bible, but are ready to sacrifice their time to help the others. He is a witness of people learning to accept the other people, no matter if they're black, white, jewish, because sinners or not, we are ALL his creation and we are ALL related as siblings in His eyes. Father A also watches animals getting saved by people everyday, and animals saving people also. He is not standing there, entertaining the torture and kill some of us have to endure. Now, talking about Father B... I have to say that I'd rather have a father who gives me no directions than giving me the cruelest ones. And much more, if I don't respect His cruel rules, I'm gong to burn in Hell for eternity. At least, someone who is murdered in the case of Father A will have his or her soul into God's arms and will never have to suffer again. In the case of Father B though, if you don't respect things like letting your daughter be raped & impregnating her by yourself, you're not a respectable human being and do not deserve a place in Heaven. Really, Father B is a really gruesome guy in my opinion. I think I answered some of your questions while discussing the analogy, if you read carefully you'll find them. I don't think the God I know is the cruelest of all. A God who accepts all His children, no matter what religion / orientation / color etc etc is not cruel. A God who tells you you're gonna burn in Hell for not 'killing' the other people that aren't like you is a cruel God. You see evolution as a cold and damned thing. I see evolution as a way of God to relate us to His other creations, to make connections between us and the outside world. |
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Please try to be logical: since your God doesn't give any rules to play the game of life, that means that there is no hell or heaven. No reward, no punishment. Otherwise, your God would be really unjust: I mean, can you imagine being eternally punished for loosing in a game which rules you don't know? Quote:
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Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.And you're going to burn in Hell for doing that. |
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Lot existed before the Law of Moses manifested on Earth and before Christ manifested on Earth, so Christ will forever be the example we Judeo-Christians strive to be like. The word Christian means "little Christ," "Christ one," and "like-Christ." Christ means Messiah which means Anointed One. Luke 13:24 uses the Greek word "agonizomai." This word means agonize, work hard, and/or strive. The Hebrew word "nefesh (nephesh)" means animal soul found in the blood under the flesh (basar) produced by the bones. Human beings are part animal and part spiritual. The Law of God tells us the standard of perfection. 613 mitzvot (laws) exist in Judaism. God Christ Jesus died on the tree at Calvary and shed blood for all so that we can live for eternity. This perfect shed blood of the lamb who was slain fulfilled Holy God's perfect desire for judgment. Holy God's resurrection of God Christ Jesus fulfilled Holy God's desire for mercy. Now in the New Testament era our desire needs to be all about Jesus our Way, Truth and Life (John 14:6)! My Christian brother, let us please leave pre-Mosaic facts alone and move forward with TRUTH. In no way let us accuse each other of anything for only Jesus the Lord of the Living and the dead can judge us (Matthew 12:36-37; Romans 14:4-9), and the accuser of the brethren is to be cast down (Revelation 12:10). I feel as if we need to be more concerned with the hybrid human agenda GOOGLE advocates and the many videos on transhumanist nanotechnoloy found all over YOUTUBE. The thoughts and desires of our heart (Psalm 37:4; Proverbs 23:7) NEED to be on destroying the works of SATAN (1 John 3:8)! Amen. The spiritual programming tactics in this link http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...ol2/part10.htm are carnal weapons of SATAN (2 Corinthians 10:3-5)! I think the Hasidic Ashkenazi Jews and the Rothschilds along with the Builderbergs will seek to create modern golems and soulless "hybrid" humans for evil spirits conjured out of HELL to possess through kabbalah mind-control http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...m/mobile/false. It NEEDS to be stopped. Amen.
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Don't worry young Padawan, we will break into you in no time flat. ;) |
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I am just a simple country True Christian™. If, by the Grace of God©, a daughter of mine is with child, it means I will be a grandfather. If a grand-daughter has a child, I am a Great Grandfather. Gifts from Jesus and proof of my unquestioning faith in Him.
I am taken aback and somewhat offended that people do not simply celebrate the Glory Of Life®. Way too much questioning going on about where man came from (God, if anyone wants to know). If people would simply stop all this silly speculation and read the KJV Holy Bible, they would discover all questions deserving of an answer have been answered and are right there in black in white. |
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That is crazy and absolutely illegal. :rebuke:
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And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. Leviticus 20:14 We could use more Biblical justice like this to weed out the wickedness among us today. |
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