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Jeb Stuart Thurmond 01-05-2008 09:25 PM

Pokemon: (aka Poke-a-man) still a threat to families
 
The recent revelations about Super Mario Galaxy, Halo, and other popular Japanese games are so shocking that they may make the older generation of Japanese occultist propaganda seem innocent by comparism. ONLY by comparism! Pokemon and others of it's generation are every bit as diabolical today as a decade ago! Here is a refresher course, in case you have forgotten:


What do you know about Pokemon?

My little grandson is only 3 and a half, but is already obsessed with Pokemon, and his Mum, my daughter Deborah, {who is not saved as yet,} buys him whatever he asks for.

He has all the cards, counters, {Like toy money}, and all the little plastic figures. The last time they visited us, he had his pokemon cards, coins, and figures with him, and he was DREADFUL!!

He was rude, cheeky, wouldnt eat any lunch, tried to run away several times, bit his big sister hard on the arm and made her cry...

Who are the strange little creatures from Japan that have suddenly become global super-stars? Most kids know the answer well: They are called Pokemon (short for POCKEt MONster and pronounced Pokeymon), and they have stirred up some mixed reactions.

It concerns parents even more. "Recently, my children were given a set of Pokemon cards," said DiAnna Brannan, a Seattle mom. "They are very popular with the children at our church and elsewhere. I was instantly suspicious but couldn't discern the problem. We have since been told that they are stepping stones to the 'Magic cards' that have been popular for the last few years, which we do not allow...."

MARKETING A NEW LIFESTYLE


The Pokemon mania supports a financial conglomerate that knows how to feed the frenzy. The television series is free, but it drives the multi-billion dollar business. It also inspires the obsessive new games that disrupt schools and families by giving the children --
  • a seductive vision: to become Pokemon masters
  • a tempting promise: supernatural power
  • a new objective: keep collecting Pokemon
  • an urgent command: "gotta catch them all"
...The last line, the Pokemon mantra, fuels the craving for more occult cards, games, toys, gadgets, and comic books. There's no end to the supply, for where the Pokemon world ends, there beckons an ever-growing empire of new, more thrilling, occult, and violent products. Each can transport the child into a fantasy world that eventually seems far more normal and exciting than the real world. Here, evil looks good and good is dismissed as boring. Family, relationships, and responsibilities diminish in the wake of the social and media pressures to master the powers unleashed by the massive global entertainment industry.

No wonder children caught up in the Pokemon craze beg for more games and gadgets. The Japanese makers count on it...

He told her that during recess on the playground the children would "summon" the forces on the cards they collect by raising sticks into the air and saying, "'Spirits enter me.' They call it 'being possessed.'"

Strange as it may sound to American ears, demonic possession is no longer confined to distant lands. Today, government schools from coast to coast are teaching students the skills once reserved for the tribal witchdoctor or shaman in distant lands. Children everywhere are learning the pagan formulas for invoking "angelic" or demonic spirits through multicultural education...

Though the demonic realm hasn't changed, today's technology, media, and multicultural climate makes it easier to access, and harder than ever to resist its appeal...

WHAT CAN PARENTS DO?

It's hard to teach restraint to children who are begging for gratification. Wanting to please rather than overreact, we flinch at the thought of being called censors once again. Parental authority simply doesn't fit the fast-spreading new views of social equality taught through the media and schools. Yet, we must obey God. He has told us to train our children to choose His way (Proverbs 22:6), and we can't turn back now.

If you share my concerns, you may want to follow these suggestions. They will help you equip your child with the awareness needed to resist occult entertainment:

1. First, look at God's view of contemporary toys, games and cartoons. As a family, read Scriptures such as Ephesians 5:8-16, 6:10-18 (the armor of God); Philippians 4:8-9; and Colossians 2:9. Compare them with the values encouraged by Pokemon and other role-playing games.

2. Share your observations. Spark awareness in a young child with comments such as, "That monster looks mean!" or "That creature reminds me of a dragon," along with "Did you know that in the Bible, serpents and dragons always represent Satan and evil?"

3. To teach young children a Biblical attitude toward evil before they learn to delight in gross, ugly characters, make comments such as, "Who would want to play with that evil monster? I don't even like to look at him. Let's find something that makes us feel happy inside."

4. Model wise decision-making. Tell your child why you wouldn't want to buy certain things for yourself.

When your child wants a questionable game or toy, ask questions that are prayerfully adapted to your child's age, such as:

1. What does this game teach you (about power, about magic, about God, about yourself)? Discuss both obvious and subtle messages.

2. Does it have anything to do with supernatural power? If so, what is the source of that power? Does it oppose or agree with God's Word?

3. What does it teach about violence or immorality and their consequences?

4. Does the game or toy have symbols or characteristics that link it to New Age or occult powers?

5. Does it build godly character?

In a nation consumed with self-indulgence, self-fulfillment, and self-empowerment, godly self-denial seems strangely out of place. But God commanded it, and Jesus demonstrated it. Dare we refuse to acknowledge it? According to the age of your child, discuss Jesus' words in Matthew 16:24-26, then allow the Holy Spirit to direct your application....

After hearing God's warning and praying for His wisdom, nine-year-old Alan Brannan...was convicted to burn his cards...

Headstrong, stubborn, quibbling, self-centered, vindictive, obnoxious, hormonal, sexually preoccupied, evil, thieving, cross-dressing jerks are most definitely not biblical role models! These characters do not portray biblical values. Pok_mon does not measure up!

Are supernatural powers portrayed, and if so, what is the source or origin of those powers? Are occult, New Age characteristics or symbols included?

Pok_mon has supernatural powers. "Some Pok_mon grow, or evolve."...

I pointed out earlier that Pok_mon originated in Japan....

So, what's the problem with Pok_mon? Its subtle suggestions, images and values are manipulating the minds and feelings of the children who are into it. Pok_mon conditions them to accept humanistic wisdom and occult spirituality...

Pokemon is a copyright of Nintendo Japan. It was first created in Japan and is highly influenced by Japanese mysticism....685 people went into epiliptic seizures while watching the Pokemon cartoon...

Buddhist Mysticism, Hinduism, meditation rituals, Egyptian Book of the Dead, Book of Tao, the Analects of Confucius, the Gita, the I Ching, The Tibetan Book of the Dead: All These Philosophies influenced Pokemon!

...The Bible says: EPH 5:8-17 "For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them...

Look at this verse in the Bible: 1Tim 4:1 "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron."

What are we allowing to come into our homes! The elements in Pokemon are foundational to many earth religions and mystic rituals. We draw our power from God, not the earth!

...Most all covens and eastern philosophies, and Pagan belief systems hold the elements as sources of power, as the Pokemon game does.

Again – the Bible says: 1 Timothy 1:4 "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do." 1 Timothy 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness."

Saudi Arabia Bans Pokemon Games, Cards

Duai, United Arab Emirates -Saudi Arabia's highest religious authority has issued an edict banning Pokemon games and cards, saying the have "possessed the minds" of children, promote Zionism and involve gambling.

Saudi Arabia's Higher Committee for Scientific Research and Islamic Law issued the fatwa, or religious ruling, over the weekend.

It said the video game and cards have symbols that include "the Star of David, which everyone knows is connected to international Zionism and is Israel's national emblem...

Review: Pokemon, the movie


http://www.capalert.com/capreports/pokemonthemovie.htm
  • portrayal of tears having the power to resurrect
  • misguided and often absent concern for the "death" of a "living, thinking being" (a pokemon)
  • "Circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant:"
Offense to God
  • speaks to evolution and not to Creation
  • psychic powers to control others
  • demon-acting pokemon; a gargoyle with the ability to control massive fire and power
  • portrayal that tears can resurrect from the dead
Sex/Homosexuality:
  • sensual drawing of a female character, the intent of the viewing angle was clear

_Beck_ 01-05-2008 09:31 PM

Re: Pokemon: (aka Poke-a-man) still a threat to families
 
Halo 3 is made by Bungie, a company based is Seattle, Washington in the USA. Stop being racist bastards towards other races and get your facts straight.

Mr. Jingles 01-05-2008 09:35 PM

Re: Pokemon: (aka Poke-a-man) still a threat to families
 
If CAPALERT doesn't approve of the Pokemon movie, then it's unfit for human eyes to look at.

Recently, I was going to see a movie, but when I found out from CAPALERT that it showed an exposed female ankle for 2 seconds, I stayed home. Such graphic nudity would cause nonstop masturbation among our youth, resulting in Satan & the Catholics ruling the earth for all eternity.

Mr. Jingles 01-05-2008 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hechetonchieres (Post 126055)
wow, i gotta go see this movie now!:sarcasm:

Regrettably, I cannot tell you the title of that film, as you might go see it & touch your tallywhacker. I don't want to be responsible for your eternal damnation, to say nothing of you going blind.

Born Again Bob 01-05-2008 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hechetonchieres (Post 126084)
i don't have a "tallywhacker". in a fit of homosexual rage, i cut it off, b/c i couldn't resist the homosexual temptations b4 me. rather like a certain mod here.....

Dear Friend,

I rather doubt it. You mock my sacrifice at the peril of your eternal soul.

Yours in Him,
bab

Fender 01-06-2008 05:18 AM

Re: Pokemon: (aka Poke-a-man) still a threat to families
 
Hello, my name is ____(sorry, I'm not that stupid to actually give out my name, even though it wouldn't matter too much, since there is more than one person with my name). I just finished reading your post, and I have many things to say about it. Though, it's hard to think about where to begin, so I shall just list the things in the order that you posted them in.

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The recent revelations about Super Mario Galaxy, Halo, and other popular Japanese games are so shocking that they may make the older generation of Japanese occultist propaganda seem innocent by comparism. ONLY by comparism! Pokemon and others of it's generation are every bit as diabolical today as a decade ago! Here is a refresher course, in case you have forgotten:
Alright, I shall interrogate this one first. Even though this little bit is irrelevant to the topic, I thought it was needed. There is not much to say about it except for these two things: get your facts straighten because Halo is not a Japanese game(it was made in the USA) and you need to pay attention to your grammar.


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http://www.cephasministry.com/save_our_children_pokemon_booklet.html My little grandson is only 3 and a half, but is already obsessed with Pokemon, and his Mum, my daughter Deborah, {who is not saved as yet,} buys him whatever he asks for.

He has all the cards, counters, {Like toy money}, and all the little plastic figures. The last time they visited us, he had his pokemon cards, coins, and figures with him, and he was DREADFUL!!

He was rude, cheeky, wouldn't eat any lunch, tried to run away several times, bit his big sister hard on the arm and made her cry...
Man, what a concept; a three year old acting rude, cheeky, and ignorant. Though, sir, I hate to break it to you, but the majority of kids at that age act like that. They're usually snobs, annoying, loud-mouths who don't know when to be quiet, arrogant, obnoxious, and the such. Just because he's like that doesn't mean that it's the fault of Pokemon. The kid is three years old; he doesn't know the difference between right or wrong now. And in a few years, he will probably stop following this fad.
And secondly, about your daughter. Do you honestly believe that stopping her from buying her son those items will "save her"?

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MARKETING A NEW LIFESTYLE

The Pokemon mania supports a financial conglomerate that knows how to feed the frenzy. The television series is free, but it drives the multi-billion dollar business. It also inspires the obsessive new games that disrupt schools and families by giving the children --
  • a seductive vision: to become Pokemon masters
  • a tempting promise: supernatural power
  • a new objective: keep collecting Pokemon
  • an urgent command: "gotta catch them all"
...The last line, the Pokemon mantra, fuels the craving for more occult cards, games, toys, gadgets, and comic books. There's no end to the supply, for where the Pokemon world ends, there beckons an ever-growing empire of new, more thrilling, occult, and violent products. Each can transport the child into a fantasy world that eventually seems far more normal and exciting than the real world. Here, evil looks good and good is dismissed as boring. Family, relationships, and responsibilities diminish in the wake of the social and media pressures to master the powers unleashed by the massive global entertainment industry.

No wonder children caught up in the Pokemon craze beg for more games and gadgets. The Japanese makers count on it...
Well that's a no brainer. Of course the makers try to do that; all makers try to get their fans to buy more so that they can gain more money. And I love your usage of the word mantra. You exaggerate so much of the show, and this is one of them. Also, just to let you know, majority of the games produced try to absorb the consumer into it, so that they will enjoy the game and want more; it doesn't take Pokemon, cause it could be another game like Halo, Tales of Symphonia, or even the simpler and earlier games, such as Donkey Kong or Tetris. And what is with you and continually suggesting that this game series will create more occult items? Like other companies, they do these things for the money; I doubt they're trying to create a new cult or anything of the sort.


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WHAT CAN PARENTS DO?
Oh man, I think I'm only going to hit the bit ones here.


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2. Share your observations. Spark awareness in a young child with comments such as, "That monster looks mean!" or "That creature reminds me of a dragon," along with "Did you know that in the Bible, serpents and dragons always represent Satan and evil?"
Alright, seriously. Serpents and dragons always representing Satan and evil? Sir, these are little kids! They don't care!

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3. To teach young children a Biblical attitude toward evil before they learn to delight in gross, ugly characters, make comments such as, "Who would want to play with that evil monster? I don't even like to look at him. Let's find something that makes us feel happy inside."
And, once again, I doubt that kids actually care about its looks. Looks don't exactly mean that something is good or bad; ever heard of the phrases "Looks can be deceiving" and "Don't judge a book by a cover"?

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4. Model wise decision-making. Tell your child why you wouldn't want to buy certain things for yourself.

When your child wants a questionable game or toy, ask questions that are prayerfully adapted to your child's age, such as:

1. What does this game teach you (about power, about magic, about God, about yourself)? Discuss both obvious and subtle messages.

2. Does it have anything to do with supernatural power? If so, what is the source of that power? Does it oppose or agree with God's Word?

3. What does it teach about violence or immorality and their consequences?

4. Does the game or toy have symbols or characteristics that link it to New Age or occult powers?

5. Does it build godly character?
Look, these are nothing more than kid's games. Let's face it, there maybe some games that you should restrict kids from(Grand Theft Auto being a good example), but, from Pokemon, is there really any need to put religious questions in?

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I pointed out earlier that Pok_mon originated in Japan....

So, what's the problem with Pok_mon? Its subtle suggestions, images and values are manipulating the minds and feelings of the children who are into it. Pok_mon conditions them to accept humanistic wisdom and occult spirituality...
Can I just ask where you got this load of nonsense from?

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Pokemon is a copyright of Nintendo Japan. It was first created in Japan and is highly influenced by Japanese mysticism....685 people went into epiliptic seizures while watching the Pokemon cartoon...
Please excuse my language, but 685 people went into epiliptic seizures while watching the Pokemon cartoon? Well no shit. A lot of people tend to do that when they see about a thousand different colors flash before their eyes in the matter of seconds.


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Review: Pokemon, the movie

  • portrayal of tears having the power to resurrect
  • misguided and often absent concern for the "death" of a "living, thinking being" (a pokemon)
  • "Circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant:"

Ok, this is a kid's movie; it's no surprise they do impossible things like "resurrection by tears". That, and, for the third point, that is sort of the whole issue of the movie, is it not? The movie is how it came out to be because the main antagonist was angered because of how he was created.

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Sex/Homosexuality:
  • sensual drawing of a female character, the intent of the viewing angle was clear

The intent of viewing angle? Seriously, I wonder where you come up with these things.

Now, onto other topics that were either not described in this post, but rather in the link you gave at the beginning of your post, or other topics that I wish to talk about.

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Pok_mon has supernatural powers. "Some Pok_mon grow, or evolve." This is facilitated by the "Energy cards" that "make your Pok_mon bigger and more powerful." And what is the source of this power? It is the pantheistic power of the occult, not the supernatural power of God. I have found two cards that make this very clear (there are likely more). They are Abra and Kadabra. Yes, these are their actual names. "Abrakadabra" (or abracadabra) has been a word long associated with occult magic. Webster's dictionary defines it this way - 1) a word supposed to have magic powers and hence used in incantations, on amulets, etc. 2) a magic spell or formula. It is no accident that the two Pok_mon called Abra and Kadabra are psychic cards with magical powers.
Alright, seriously, hopefully you're blaming the American branch of Nintendo for this instead of the Japanese, since they are the ones that created the names for these Pokemon. And secondly, well duh, of course it's no coincidence; they did that on purpose because of that word. And, if you don't believe me, there are so many other examples that I can list out. Heck, here are some.
Ekans - it's snake backwards
Arbok - Cobra backwards(well, except c is replaced with a K)
Beedrill - it's a bee with a drill; how much simpler could it get?
Caterpie - it is a caterpillar
Butterfree - it's a butterfly, so I shouldn't have to say anything else
Though, you get where I'm going with this.

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So Ash sets out again in search for more of the reclusive, power-filled, little Pokemon. His first step is to find the "psychic Pokemon" called Kadabra and snatch it from its telepathic, pink-eyed trainer, Sabrina. With the ghost Haunter on his side, it should be a cinch!
You need to get your facts correct. You completely twisted how the plot went at that part of the storyline. He caught the ghost Pokemon Haunter so that he could battle against Sabrina and defeat her so that he could acquire the Marsh(?) Badge.

And then I have this to say; do you ever actually think about what you say and research before telling others? I was reading the responses of others, and you people are doing nothing more than taking the words of God and the bible and twisting them, like the Catholics and Lutherans. You are not following God's words when you twist them and get new and different meaning from the original one.
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If CAPALERT doesn't approve of the Pokemon movie, then it's unfit for human eyes to look at.

Recently, I was going to see a movie, but when I found out from CAPALERT that it showed an exposed female ankle for 2 seconds, I stayed home. Such graphic nudity would cause nonstop masturbation among our youth, resulting in Satan & the Catholics ruling the earth for all eternity.
Alright, when I saw this part, I was appalled. The fact that you believe that seeing an exposed ankle of a girl would create non-stop masturbation is just absurd! And I have this little bit to go with this(this would be from an acquaintance of mine). And, please take precaution before reading the following part.
She says:
wankleankle
I say:
heh
I says:
you might go see it and touch your tallywhacker
I says:
wow
I says:
just...WOW
She says:
LOL
She says:
i touch my t**** to cartoon feet

And, I do believe that is all.
Thank you.

Louis Fredrickson 01-07-2008 02:50 AM

Re: Pokemon: (aka Poke-a-man) still a threat to families
 
Finally someone addresses this yellow faced plague that has been corrupting youth for the past 10 years. i have personally gone to the local hobby shop in my town and demanded that he stop selling these Pokemon cards in the area where i live, but to no avail.

Brother Temperance 01-10-2008 05:02 PM

Re: Pokemon: (aka Poke-a-man) still a threat to families
 
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Originally Posted by hechetonchieres (Post 126055)
wow, i gotta go see this movie now!

Pervert.
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Originally Posted by Fender
Hello, my name is ____(sorry, I'm not that stupid to actually give out my name, even though it wouldn't matter too much, since there is more than one person with my name). I just finished reading your post, and I have many things to say about it. Though, it's hard to think

You could've just stopped there, really.
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Man, what a concept; a three year old acting rude, cheeky, and ignorant. Though, sir, I hate to break it to you, but the majority of kids at that age act like that.
Yes. The majority of kids that age have been exposed to cartoons, often Japanese ones. See the connection?
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They're usually snobs, annoying, loud-mouths who don't know when to be quiet, arrogant, obnoxious, and the such. Just because he's like that doesn't mean that it's the fault of Pokemon. The kid is three years old; he doesn't know the difference between right or wrong now. And in a few years, he will probably stop following this fad.
What if Jesus sends an Arab to rape him to death between now and then? Where will your fabled liberal tolerance have got the kid then? Hell, that's where.
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Also, just to let you know, majority of the games produced try to absorb the consumer into it, so that they will enjoy the game and want more; it doesn't take Pokemon, cause it could be another game like Halo, Tales of Symphonia, or even the simpler and earlier games, such as Donkey Kong or Tetris.
Please don't get into discussing Donkey Kong, there's only so much obscenity my poor stomach can take.
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Alright, seriously. Serpents and dragons always representing Satan and evil? Sir, these are little kids! They don't care!
EXACTLY! Little kids not caring about what the Bible says - can you really not see how shocking and worrying this is?
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Look, these are nothing more than kid's games. Let's face it, there maybe some games that you should restrict kids from(Grand Theft Auto being a good example), but, from Pokemon, is there really any need to put religious questions in?
Who put religious questions in? We're not the ones who designed a game based around demon-worship!
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Can I just ask where you got this load of nonsense from?
From common sense, that's where!
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Please excuse my language, but 685 people went into epiliptic seizures while watching the Pokemon cartoon? Well no shit. A lot of people tend to do that when they see about a thousand different colors flash before their eyes in the matter of seconds.
That's not an argument! You might as well say "nearly 6000 Jews were killed by the Nazis? Well no shit. A lot of people tend to die when exposed to Zyklon-B". Does that excuse the Nazis killing nearly 6000 Jews? Of course not! So why should it excuse Pok_mon?
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Ok, this is a kid's movie; it's no surprise they do impossible things like "resurrection by tears". That, and, for the third point, that is sort of the whole issue of the movie, is it not? The movie is how it came out to be because the main antagonist was angered because of how he was created.
Like Lucifer! You're really not offering any actual arguments here!
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The intent of viewing angle? Seriously, I wonder where you come up with these things.
We're not the ones who draw cartoons with salacious and lascivious viewing angles, you sick freak!
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Alright, seriously, hopefully you're blaming the American branch of Nintendo for this instead of the Japanese, since they are the ones that created the names for these Pokemon. And secondly, well duh, of course it's no coincidence; they did that on purpose because of that word. And, if you don't believe me, there are so many other examples that I can list out.
THAT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT! Allow me to summarise that exchange:
Jeb: Pokemon is evil. They named a character after an evil occult word.
You: Well duh, of course it's no coincidence; they did that on purpose because of that word.

Do you see how that's not a valid counter-argument in any way whatsoever?
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And then I have this to say; do you ever actually think about what you say and research before telling others? I was reading the responses of others, and you people are doing nothing more than taking the words of God and the bible and twisting them, like the Catholics and Lutherans. You are not following God's words when you twist them and get new and different meaning from the original one.
Give one example of where we've done that. Well, you can't obviously, because you're banned, but I'm sure one of your buddies from the Nipponese hivemind will be more than happy to take over for you.
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Alright, when I saw this part, I was appalled. The fact that you believe that seeing an exposed ankle of a girl would create non-stop masturbation is just absurd! And I have this little bit to go with this(this would be from an acquaintance of mine). And, please take precaution before reading the following part.
*Filth Deleted*

And, I do believe that is all.
Thank you.


So, you've proved you have perverts for friends. Do you want a medal or something?

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Originally Posted by Leon47 (Post 127226)
Well...most of Pokemon contradicts some of the Bible's teachings, also promotes summoning monsters or witchery. Is it good that this "pokemon" aren't popular here in my country?

In a word, yes!
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Originally Posted by Will Peckham (Post 127266)
Baloney! I remember when almost everyone played with the cards and on no circumstace did I ever see occult stuff going on. It's a freaking card game, nothing else.

Really. Who's word are we going to believe on this issue? A middle-aged man who has never played a game of pokemon in his life, or a self-confessed Pokemon fan? I know who sounds more plausible to me.

brother samuel adams 02-01-2008 11:12 PM

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it's about time somebody stood up and said it!
these evil creatures have been corupting are youth scince 1985 when they were introduces to the masses of raving lunatics!

eliot mayfield 02-07-2008 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Datsihyu (Post 139585)
HAHAHAHA ARE YOU GUYS SERIOUS. HONESTLY SERIOUS. YOU think that a harmless CARD game or TV show has something to do with satanic blah blah blah all this weird stuff man this is crazy funny you guys are SCARED scared out of your MINDS you have a PHOBIA a PROBLEM. It's just all fun and games its a child's world. Pokemon is fun >.> you guys are so scared of hell and damnation that you've turned POKEMON and taken every little meaning of it into some kind of summoning occult like crap honestly if you went and demanded a guy at a store to stop selling pokemon cards because they're evil, he must have thought you were crazy as hell.

satan is far more dangerous than gangar or jigglypuff. Tell me "jigglypuff" isn't part off a homosexual agenda!
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Highr...gglypuff17.jpg

A good pikachu is a lab test animal!
http://vitriolix.com/uploaded_images...889-723114.jpg


Peek at you? peekachu? More depraved sex aimed at young children.

Brother Habbo 02-07-2008 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Datsihyu (Post 139585)
HAHAHAHA ARE YOU GUYS SERIOUS. HONESTLY SERIOUS. YOU think that a harmless CARD game or TV show has something to do with satanic blah blah blah all this weird stuff man this is crazy funny you guys are SCARED scared out of your MINDS you have a PHOBIA a PROBLEM. It's just all fun and games its a child's world. Pokemon is fun >.> you guys are so scared of hell and damnation that you've turned POKEMON and taken every little meaning of it into some kind of summoning occult like crap honestly if you went and demanded a guy at a store to stop selling pokemon cards because they're evil, he must have thought you were crazy as hell.

Wow, that was almost coherent. Srsly.

People once thought Dungeons & Dragons was just a harmless card game too. But they found out otherwise.

Pokemon starts out with pretending to summon demons to do your bidding, as a child's game. But then it leads to summoning real demons. Pokemon is a gateway sin.

Datsihyu 02-08-2008 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by eliot mayfield (Post 139596)
satan is far more dangerous than gangar or jigglypuff. Tell me "jigglypuff" isn't part off a homosexual agenda!
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Highr...gglypuff17.jpg

A good pikachu is a lab test animal!
http://vitriolix.com/uploaded_images...889-723114.jpg


Peek at you? peekachu? More depraved sex aimed at young children.

And on my second post here if you actually took the time to understand things, JIGGLYPUFF is in the story a cute, FEMALE character that loves to sing. I've SEEN that pikachu picture about two years ago, and it was photoshopped by the creator to make that lab mouse look like a pikachu. And everyone thought it was funny and cute. Use common sense not idiocy and your own beliefs. You're such a nutjob you make me LAUGH that you would go so far and think of perverted things. I've heard priests and pastors were perverts, maybe they are.

Brother Habbo 02-08-2008 04:09 AM

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And on my second post here if you actually took the time to understand things, JIGGLYPUFF is in the story a cute, FEMALE character that loves to sing. I've SEEN that pikachu picture about two years ago, and it was photoshopped by the creator to make that lab mouse look like a pikachu. And everyone thought it was funny and cute. Use common sense not idiocy and your own beliefs. You're such a nutjob you make me LAUGH that you would go so far and think of perverted things. I've heard priests and pastors were perverts, maybe they are.

You sure are full of yourself. Next you'll tell us that you think Jerry Falwell was crazy for warning the public about the gay Teletubby. Thank Jesus that my parents heeded that warning, or my little brother might have caught the gay from that show.

Brother Habbo 02-08-2008 05:03 AM

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How am I full of myself if I'm stating facts that prove ..:

All you've proved is your nerdly ability to get hysterical over something pointless that nobody cares about. I bet you know all of jiggly puff's stats even without looking at the card.

You must be a big hit with the ladies. :thumbsup:

I think Datsihyu is a pretty cool guy.
Eh plays pokemon and doesn't afraid of anything!

JennyD 02-08-2008 07:06 AM

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I'm sorry but ON YOU ON DRUGS. Never before have I heard of a child trying to summon demons because of POKEMON, I played pokemon as a kid and I don't summon demons, nor do demons come out of me to kill my parents. Nutjobs. Pokemon has NOTHING to do with religion or the Bible or God WHATSOEVER. WHEN YOU CATCH ALL THE POKEMON, YOU ARE A POKEMON MASTER NOT A GREEDY, POWERFUL BEING WHO THINKS THEY CAN GET ANYTHING.. you are SERIOUSLY a nutjob. And that sermon had me laughing at how scared he was of toys and games... lies brought up by fear. Show some proof that pokemon is evil besides what some nutjobs think and maybe I'll consider pokemon is "evil".

I see. You played Pokemon as a kid.
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Eh actually I think you're pretty much younger than the more mature people on this site with something to contribute because you're attacking something irrelevant. I said I watched pokemon as a kid, yet I never said anything about... a card game? Everyone I knew as a kid that went to my school loved pokemon, and hell, it's still very popular today. How is it pointless if one guy is saying things about pokemon that are demonic and he's totally wrong? I would say things about you that probably arent true too but I'm not going to stoop down to that level.

You never said anything about Pokemon? Why, you even said you played it! Distancing yourself from the demon-summoning, gayifying pasttime now that you begin to see what it's all about, Mitt Romney?

Why not admit the truth?

Demons did not fly out of your colon and kill your parents because you are a pathetic LOSER. You could not catch them all, and did not attain the rank of Pokemon Master.

As you, I, and everyone else here knows, only once you prove your commitment by catching 'em all are you inducted into the Poking Men, where you serve as sexual receptacle for your entire region's Pokemon Masters (in reality, a coven). Once you've "caught THEM all", you are "charged" with the evil power sufficient to begin summoning real demons instead of little playing cards.

We all know the truth, Daishitzu. You didn't catch 'em all. You LOST the game.

Brother Temperance 02-09-2008 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Datsihyu (Post 140017)
And on my second post here if you actually took the time to understand things, JIGGLYPUFF is in the story a cute, FEMALE character that loves to sing. I've SEEN that pikachu picture about two years ago, and it was photoshopped by the creator to make that lab mouse look like a pikachu.

You think God photoshopped that picture? :wacko:

ziamatt 03-02-2008 10:09 PM

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My little grandson is only 3 and a half, but is already obsessed with Pokemon, and his Mum, my daughter Deborah, {who is not saved as yet,} buys him whatever he asks for.

He has all the cards, counters, {Like toy money}, and all the little plastic figures. The last time they visited us, he had his pokemon cards, coins, and figures with him, and he was DREADFUL!!

He was rude, cheeky, wouldnt eat any lunch, tried to run away several times, bit his big sister hard on the arm and made her cry...

I SERIOUSLY hope you're not suggesting that Pokemon is responsible for this and placing the blame on it above the fact that your grandson is three and can hardly be expected to know better.

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It concerns parents even more. "Recently, my children were given a set of Pokemon cards," said DiAnna Brannan, a Seattle mom. "They are very popular with the children at our church and elsewhere. I was instantly suspicious but couldn't discern the problem. We have since been told that they are stepping stones to the 'Magic cards' that have been popular for the last few years, which we do not allow...."
Right, because all card games are the same. Like how playing popular games like 'Go Fish' and 'War' is just a step towards divination and Tarot reading.

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The Pokemon mania supports a financial conglomerate that knows how to feed the frenzy. The television series is free, but it drives the multi-billion dollar business. It also inspires the obsessive new games that disrupt schools and families by giving the children --
  • a seductive vision: to become Pokemon masters
  • a tempting promise: supernatural power
  • a new objective: keep collecting Pokemon
  • an urgent command: "gotta catch them all"

[sarcasm]A company that's actually trying to SELL their product? Oh my God! Sinners! Capitalism is the work of the devil![/sarcasm]

And lots of things distract children from other duties. Sports. Girls. Almost everything poses a possible distraction. It's not because it's demonic. It's just due to the malleable nature of children at this age.

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...The last line, the Pokemon mantra, fuels the craving for more occult cards, games, toys, gadgets, and comic books. There's no end to the supply, for where the Pokemon world ends, there beckons an ever-growing empire of new, more thrilling, occult, and violent products. Each can transport the child into a fantasy world that eventually seems far more normal and exciting than the real world. Here, evil looks good and good is dismissed as boring. Family, relationships, and responsibilities diminish in the wake of the social and media pressures to master the powers unleashed by the massive global entertainment industry.
I realize why occult and evil is bad, but I really don't see anything like that in this series. The closest thing I see is ghosts, which while I'll admit is not great, is only a small, relatively unimportant part of the series and ghosts are never viewed occultly. There's no demon summoning or spell casting or anything like that.

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No wonder children caught up in the Pokemon craze beg for more games and gadgets. The Japanese makers count on it...
Again, it's just something that capitalism dwells on. They dwell on the malleable nature of children. While it can pose a potential problem early on, most children do grow out of it proving that the phase is just that: a phase.

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He told her that during recess on the playground the children would "summon" the forces on the cards they collect by raising sticks into the air and saying, "'Spirits enter me.' They call it 'being possessed.'"
I'm really not sure where this comes from. There's nothing remotely close to that in the official Pokemon rulebooks.

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Strange as it may sound to American ears, demonic possession is no longer confined to distant lands. Today, government schools from coast to coast are teaching students the skills once reserved for the tribal witchdoctor or shaman in distant lands. Children everywhere are learning the pagan formulas for invoking "angelic" or demonic spirits through multicultural education...
Can you please provide a works cited to something about this? It's hard not to think you could be making this up without citing resources. Even adults can be guilty of having too many wants. That's why credit card debt is so high. People, adults and children, want things and want them now. It's not that these things are manipulative. It's simply that Americans want gratification NOW.

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It's hard to teach restraint to children who are begging for gratification. Wanting to please rather than overreact, we flinch at the thought of being called censors once again. Parental authority simply doesn't fit the fast-spreading new views of social equality taught through the media and schools. Yet, we must obey God. He has told us to train our children to choose His way (Proverbs 22:6), and we can't turn back now.
Children have always wanted things. It may not be as high tech as it is today and may have been something more like a doll or a model kit. But they still want it, and parents can either give in or stand their ground.

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If you share my concerns, you may want to follow these suggestions. They will help you equip your child with the awareness needed to resist occult entertainment:

1. First, look at God's view of contemporary toys, games and cartoons. As a family, read Scriptures such as Ephesians 5:8-16, 6:10-18 (the armor of God); Philippians 4:8-9; and Colossians 2:9. Compare them with the values encouraged by Pokemon and other role-playing games.

2. Share your observations. Spark awareness in a young child with comments such as, "That monster looks mean!" or "That creature reminds me of a dragon," along with "Did you know that in the Bible, serpents and dragons always represent Satan and evil?"

3. To teach young children a Biblical attitude toward evil before they learn to delight in gross, ugly characters, make comments such as, "Who would want to play with that evil monster? I don't even like to look at him. Let's find something that makes us feel happy inside."

4. Model wise decision-making. Tell your child why you wouldn't want to buy certain things for yourself.

When your child wants a questionable game or toy, ask questions that are prayerfully adapted to your child's age, such as:

1. What does this game teach you (about power, about magic, about God, about yourself)? Discuss both obvious and subtle messages.

2. Does it have anything to do with supernatural power? If so, what is the source of that power? Does it oppose or agree with God's Word?

3. What does it teach about violence or immorality and their consequences?

4. Does the game or toy have symbols or characteristics that link it to New Age or occult powers?

5. Does it build godly character?

In a nation consumed with self-indulgence, self-fulfillment, and self-empowerment, godly self-denial seems strangely out of place. But God commanded it, and Jesus demonstrated it. Dare we refuse to acknowledge it? According to the age of your child, discuss Jesus' words in Matthew 16:24-26, then allow the Holy Spirit to direct your application....
I'm not going to argue with this. It's good advice, and people should be aware of what their kids are into. However, it's important to realize what's fact about something and what's not.

After hearing God's warning and praying for His wisdom, nine-year-old Alan Brannan...was convicted to burn his cards...

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Headstrong, stubborn, quibbling, self-centered, vindictive, obnoxious, hormonal, sexually preoccupied, evil, thieving, cross-dressing jerks are most definitely not biblical role models! These characters do not portray biblical values. Pok_mon does not measure up!
A few of these traits do apply to Pokemon. Most of them don't, however, and a lot of the common 'character traits' you mentioned, such as stubborn and obnoxious, are viewed as bad and hindering qualities.

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Pok_mon has supernatural powers. "Some Pok_mon grow, or evolve."...
I fail to see how growth and supernaturality go hand-in-hand.

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I pointed out earlier that Pok_mon originated in Japan....
Saying something's demonic because it originated in Japan is NOT the best way to make Asian-American friends.

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So, what's the problem with Pok_mon? Its subtle suggestions, images and values are manipulating the minds and feelings of the children who are into it. Pok_mon conditions them to accept humanistic wisdom and occult spirituality...
Again the issue of citing. How can people truly know the facts and make an unbiased opinion without specific examples? You mentioned that it's "manipulating the minds and feelings of children..." How? And what is meant by humanistic wisdom and spirituality?

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Pokemon is a copyright of Nintendo Japan. It was first created in Japan and is highly influenced by Japanese mysticism.
I'm not really sure what you mean. Can you give a specific example? And anyways, even if it may be influenced by it, the show is not about Japanese mysticism at all.

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685 people went into epiliptic seizures while watching the Pokemon cartoon...
Do you really think they MEANT to give children seizures with that episode? It was an accident that a combination of colors didn't go well with a few people, and nothing more.

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Buddhist Mysticism, Hinduism, meditation rituals, Egyptian Book of the Dead, Book of Tao, the Analects of Confucius, the Gita, the I Ching, The Tibetan Book of the Dead: All These Philosophies influenced Pokemon!
Again, how? Where are you getting this from? Have you actually read these sources? If not, how can you make these judgements?

...The Bible says: EPH 5:8-17 "For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them...

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Look at this verse in the Bible: 1Tim 4:1 "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron."

What are we allowing to come into our homes! The elements in Pokemon are foundational to many earth religions and mystic rituals. We draw our power from God, not the earth!
Why is it such a problem for people to accept that things can have similar names, and yet not be at all similar. I'm not sure how it is used in other religions and rituals, but in Pokemon it is simply a way to organize the different Pokemon by their weaknesses and strengths.

Saudi Arabia Bans Pokemon Games, Cards

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Duai, United Arab Emirates -Saudi Arabia's highest religious authority has issued an edict banning Pokemon games and cards, saying the have

"possessed the minds" of children.
How? Simply because children like it? Children like lots of things. But simply because it brings them pleasure it's evil?

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promote Zionism
Again, how? It does nothing to help anyone if they don't know what you mean?

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and involve gambling.
This is one aspect I was surprised to see. However, as I thought about it, I realized it wasn't that bad. The money isn't real and isn't comparable in anyway to paying off your bookie or the like. Again, it's only a small aspect and not likely to get children hooked on gambling.

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It said the video game and cards have symbols that include "the Star of David, which everyone knows is connected to international Zionism and is Israel's national emblem...
How is a Hebrew symbol connected to a pagan religion again? And while I will admit that the Star of David has been used, it HASN'T been used as the Star of David, or any other religious symbol. It was only a simple design without any religious connections at all.

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portrayal of tears having the power to resurrect
The point wasn't that tears can resurrect. It was that the love and compassion has the ability to save. It also showed that while the cloned Pokemon were clones, they still had basic emotions like compassion and love.

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misguided and often absent concern for the "death" of a "living, thinking being" (a pokemon)
Pokemon are never shown to die. They simply faint, and most good trainers pull them out of the battle before it comes to that.

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"Circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant:"
How is this offensive? It's saying you can achieve greatness, no matter what your conditions of arrival here were. Weather you born to a rich, wealthy family or a starving family who can barely feed themselves, it doesn't determine what you become.

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speaks to evolution and not to Creation
There's a huge difference between the evolution of Pokemon and of the world. Evolution simply means "change" or "growth." That's what Pokemon do when they evolve. They grow.

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psychic powers to control others
Psychic powers in the Pokemon are world are viewed differently than the how we tend to view it occultly. It's seen as a naturally ability. A gift. It's not occultic at all.

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demon-acting pokemon; a gargoyle with the ability to control massive fire and power
I don't think Mewtwo is supposed to be a gargoyle, or a demon at all. He's viewed as an incredibly powerful Pokemon who uses his powers for bad, but then realizes his mistake and gives up the way of evil. Demons rarely convert.

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sensual drawing of a female character, the intent of the viewing angle was clear.

Again, citing resources would be helpful. Maybe a picture, or an episode number at least? And how can you assume it was supposed to be sensual? Maybe it was an accident, or one of the artists slipped it in and no one noticed.

Brother Temperance 03-02-2008 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ziamatt (Post 153780)
Capitalism is the work of the devil!
Again, it's just something that capitalism dwells on. They dwell on the malleable nature of children.
Even adults can be guilty of having too many wants. That's why credit card debt is so high. People, adults and children, want things and want them now. It's not that these things are manipulative. It's simply that Americans want gratification NOW.
And what is meant by humanistic wisdom and spirituality?

Oh, so you're a Stalinist as well? Jesus hates that.

Nobar King 03-03-2008 01:19 AM

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That was a fantastic post!! That's the most multi-quoted post I have ever seen!! If I wasn't mistaken, I would say that you have used this forum setup before.

That said, I didn't bother to read your windy exhortation. Your questions have been asked here before. I've read the entire thread already, and don't need a primer on the evils of poke-your-man.

Just reading the last few lines of your post tells all one needs to know about your 'gods':
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Originally Posted by SeeYaMatt (Post 153780)

Playing popular games like 'Go Fish' and 'War' is just a step towards divination and Tarot reading.

The point wasn't that tears can resurrect. It was that the love and compassion has the ability to save. It also showed that while the cloned Pokemon were clones, they still had basic emotions like compassion and love.

Pokemon are never shown to die. They simply faint, and most good trainers pull them out of the battle before it comes to that.

There's a huge difference between the evolution of Pokemon and of the world. Evolution simply means "change" or "growth." That's what Pokemon do when they evolve. They grow.

Psychic powers in the Pokemon are world are viewed differently than the how we tend to view it occultly. It's seen as a naturally ability. A gift. It's not occultic at all.

What grade did you say you were in, again?

ForGodsSake 03-03-2008 05:33 AM

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That has to be the largest post in history, thx heathen now go and click on the donate button for the bandwidth you just used.


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