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Truth I Seek 02-15-2013 05:45 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Pim Pendergast (Post 978305)
But the Bible is proof of God's existence. The very first verse states the existence of God as a fact.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And how do I know God's Word is true? Simple. The Bible tells me so.

Jn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Why is God's Word true? Because it is inspired by God.

2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I see 3 claims, Three convinient claims each one supporting the other but no proof of god's existence whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Pim Pendergast (Post 978305)
I reject the koran because the Bible warns against adding to God's Word.

Rev 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The koran was written at least five centuries after Revelation. Accepting it would be adding to God's Word.

Fair enough. But what about the Torah?

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Originally Posted by Pim Pendergast (Post 978305)

^^^Misapplying the burden of proof^^^

So you say, but is there any factual evidence against His existence?

If I'm wrong and there factual evidences then please tell me where they are becaus I have no knowledge of any.

As for the factual evidences against his existence... the simple fact there isn't any prove in favor of his existence leads me to believe he doesn't exist. Besides is not the non believers that need to prove anything, it's the believers that claim his existence. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proofs.

Billy Bob Jenkins 02-15-2013 06:19 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Truth I Seek (Post 978296)
These are all faith related evidences. I need factual evidence. And the reality is that there isn't a single factual evidence of the existence of your god.

The bible is not the proof of god's existence, it's the claim of it's existence. In the same way the qu'ran it's the claim that Mohammed is the true prophet of allah and has pretty much the same faith related evidences that the bible has. Why do you accept one and reject the other?

See, even atheists admit that faith counts as evidence. The only move they can make is to deny that our faith is a fact. This is why religious people laugh at atheists. You deny the fact that we have faith, but admit that such faith would be evidence of God's existence. Given these assumptions, how could there not be a God? :lol:

Billy Bob Jenkins 02-15-2013 06:25 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
This unsaved vermin has just PROVED that there is a God, through an utter failure to appear objective while arguing for the precarious faith of atheism.

Next, please. B)

Truth I Seek 02-15-2013 06:32 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Bob Jenkins (Post 978376)
See, even atheists admit that faith counts as evidence. The only move they can make is to deny that our faith is a fact. This is why religious people laugh at atheists. You deny the fact that we have faith, but admit that such faith would be evidence of God's existence. Given these assumptions, how could there not be a God? :lol:

Wrong, only factual evidence count because they can be verified. Faith related evidences cannot so they do not count.

If I claim I have a ring in my pocket you may believe it or not, it's a question of faith and while it is in my pocket it cannot be verified.

If I take the ring off my pocket it can be verified and it's a factual proof.

Truth I Seek 02-15-2013 06:37 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Bob Jenkins (Post 978377)
This unsaved vermin has just PROVED that there is a God, through an utter failure to appear objective while arguing for the precarious faith of atheism.

Next, please. B)

Atheism deals with facts, Faith has nothing to do with atheism. Atheism rejects faith. Faith cannot prove the existence of god because on its nature faith is believing without having proofs.

Billy Bob Jenkins 02-15-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth I Seek (Post 978380)
Atheism deals with facts, Faith has nothing to do with atheism. Atheism rejects faith. Faith cannot prove the existence of god because on its nature faith is believing without having proofs.

Wrong, friend. Atheism is nothing but an excuse for anal sex. All atheists secretly know this, and want to indoctrinate others into the way of the militant homosexual by denying God's supreme authority. It is a massive rape pyramid scheme with Satan at the top and True Christian ™ Republicans at the bottom, but it will never happen because Jesus is with me.

Truth I Seek 02-15-2013 07:01 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Bob Jenkins (Post 978381)
Wrong, friend. Atheism is nothing but an excuse for anal sex. All atheists secretly know this, and want to indoctrinate others into the way of the militant homosexual by denying God's supreme authority. It is a massive rape pyramid scheme with Satan at the top and True Christian ™ Republicans at the bottom, but it will never happen because Jesus is with me.

Really? :lol::lol:

Why the obsession with anla sex?

Don't even answer that, I'm trying to have a serious and grown up conversation and it seems like with you it's not possible to have that.

BelieverInGod 02-15-2013 09:55 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Truth I Seek (Post 978378)
Wrong, only factual evidence count because they can be verified. Faith related evidences cannot so they do not count.

If I claim I have a ring in my pocket you may believe it or not, it's a question of faith and while it is in my pocket it cannot be verified.

If I take the ring off my pocket it can be verified and it's a factual proof.

Yet you put your faith in scientists and what you hear on the TV, even though all it would take is a little bit (okay, maybe a lot) of research to discover that it's all educated guesses and mathematical proofs with no "factual evidence" at all.

But hey, since I noticed you ignored my post, you've proven to me that you have no interest in anything that doesn't fit in your preconceived notions of the world.

Billy Bob Jenkins 02-15-2013 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth I Seek (Post 978384)
Really? :lol::lol:

Why the obsession with anla sex?

Don't even answer that, I'm trying to have a serious and grown up conversation and it seems like with you it's not possible to have that.

It is you atheists who are obsessed with the anal sex, not me. I am just reporting the facts objectively, which is something you atheists seem to know nothing about.

If it wasn't for anal rape and queer adoption, the tides of modern homosexuality, AIDS, and atheism would be stopped dead in their tracks. The lie of atheism is the main propagator of anal sex obsession in otherwise straight adults, while anal sex is used to tempt the populace away from the Truth of Christ's Conditional Forgiveness. It is a vicious cycle of lies and child rape. You, my friend, are complicit in that when you deny the veracity of the Bible. It wouldn't surprise me if you were a rapist yourself, since you have no moral compass by which to navigate the landscape of good and evil. Since you reject the Bible, that means you accept the doctrine of ass rape. Your queer rage is palpable even through the medium of the interwebs. :thumbdown:

MitzaLizalor 02-16-2013 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Truth I Seek (Post 978366)
......what about the Torah?

Do you have any idea at all what you're talking about?

Sometimes I read something and I think "o that's a new idea" (which means I haven't encountered it before, not that it didn't exist before) so I look it up. Usually in a book but there is Conservapedia of course if you can't be bothered going to a library.
Or you could Google the subject. Then when you start saying it's wrong you can also say why it's wrong although it may be correct in which case you could say why it's correct but you do need to look something up. It's probably better if you just comment on subjects you're already familiar with however.

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As for the factual evidences against his existence... the simple fact there isn't any prove in favor of his existence leads me to believe he doesn't exist.
yes in your case it probably does however Absence of proof is not Proof of absence. When looking stuff up though, and thinking "oooooooooooo that sounds good; I wonder what it means? I'll post that that'll stumpm" it tends to have unpredictable effects. In this example, for example:
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:Lighten: If I claim I have a ring in my pocket you may believe it or not, it's a question of faith and while it is in my pocket it
. . . cannot be verified.

. . . If I take the ring off my pocket it can be verified and it's a factual proof.

the following is likely to occur:

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If I claim I have made a World you may believe it or not, it's a question of faith and while it is shrouded in thick darkness it cannot be verified.

If I create light or otherwise enable you to see the World I claim to have made it can be verified and it's a factual proof.

That is what God is saying. He claims to have made a World. And according to your evidentiary values He needs to produce that world for you to see so that "it can be verified and it's a factual proof."

He has done so.

You can't have one standard for your own statements and another standard for everyone else. Just because you originate some bizarre claptrap does not make it valid any more than thinking it sounds "cool" makes it valid. Such genetic fallacy is doomed to failure. Origins without internal consistency have no standing.

Pim Pendergast 02-16-2013 01:29 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Truth I Seek (Post 978366)
But what about the Torah?

The Torah is part of the Bible. You really need to learn more about the Bible if you're going to discuss it with Christians.
:kjv1611-read:

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Besides is not the non believers that need to prove anything, it's the believers that claim his existence. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proofs.
If you need extraordinary evidence, what about the miracles of Jesus?

Jn 10:37-38 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Jn 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

In these passages Jesus is encouraging people to believe in Him because of His miracles recorded in the Bible.

Another piece of evidence is the fact that Jesus lives inside me and inside every True Christian™. How could someone who doesn't exist live inside me?

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

I can also talk to God in prayer and He answers.

Mk 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Do you think I talk to someone who doesn't exist? How could someone who doesn't exist answer my prayers?

Forest Spirit 02-16-2013 01:35 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Pim Pendergast (Post 978490)
How could someone who doesn't exist live inside me?

Someone has been watching the movie Total Recall too much. QUAAAAATO LIVES!
http://d1w7nqlfxfj094.cloudfront.net...uato-a0c8b.jpg

Miss Whoremonger 02-23-2013 10:51 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Bob Jenkins (Post 978381)
Wrong, friend. Atheism is nothing but an excuse for anal sex. All atheists secretly know this, and want to indoctrinate others into the way of the militant homosexual by denying God's supreme authority. It is a massive rape pyramid scheme with Satan at the top and True Christian ™ Republicans at the bottom, but it will never happen because Jesus is with me.

This site is absolutely ridiculous. It's like I have teleported back to 1825. Atheism is not an excuse for homosexuality, and even if it was, there is nothig wrong with being gay. I am an Atheist and I respect everyone's beliefs. It's okay to be a Christian, it's okay to be a Jew, it's okay to be a Muslim etc. But you guys just use your belief as an excuse to be a racist, homophobic, masogynistic Rodimer. Have a nice day.

Zechariah Smyth 02-23-2013 10:58 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by MsEffy (Post 980495)
This site is absolutely ridiculous. It's like I have teleported back to 1825. Atheism is not an excuse for homosexuality, and even if it was, there is nothig wrong with being gay. I am an Atheist and I respect everyone's beliefs. It's okay to be a Christian, it's okay to be a Jew, it's okay to be a Muslim etc. But you guys just use your belief as an excuse to be a racist, homophobic, masogynistic Rodimer. Have a nice day.

What is ridiculous about following the Word of God exactly as He spelled it out in the Bible?

If you had a shop manual that told you how to change out a transmission, would you only follow the steps that you felt like following?

:wacko:

Pim Pendergast 02-23-2013 11:37 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by MsEffy (Post 980495)
This site is absolutely ridiculous. It's like I have teleported back to 1825. Atheism is not an excuse for homosexuality, and even if it was, there is nothig wrong with being gay.

Atheism (and any other religion that rejects the God of the Bible) leads to homosexuality and all sorts of evil. The Bible is very clear.

Rom 1:18-32
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

God's wrath is revealed against those who suppress the truth about God. And who knows the truth about God?

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


Everybody. God has clearly revealed Himself through Creation.

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Even though everyone knows deep down in his heart that the God of the Bible exists and is the real God, many people deny him.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


So whether you deny God by claiming to be an atheist or by worshipping animals or idols, the result is the same. God gives you over to all sorts of vile affections, which include homosexuality and lesbianism.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


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I am an Atheist and I respect everyone's beliefs. It's okay to be a Christian, it's okay to be a Jew, it's okay to be a Muslim etc. But you guys just use your belief as an excuse to be a racist, homophobic, masogynistic Rodimer.
You say you respect everyone's beliefs, but you don't seem to respect ours. You don't respect our belief that homosexuality is wrong and all fags go to hell. You don't respect our belief that women were created for the sole purpose of bearing children (1 Tim 2:15) and serving their husbands (Gen 2:18). You don't respect our belief that the descendants of Ham (blacks) are cursed (Gen 9:25-27). Our beliefs are based on the Bible, the sacred text of Christianity. What you're effectively saying is it's okay for us to be Christian as long as we abandon the Bible, the very Book that Christianity is founded on. But if we did that, we would have no moral compass, like you. And what makes you think we "use our belief"? It's almost as if you think we control our belief and just use it to justify whatever we want to do. Maybe some people do. But faith is a gift from God (Eph 2:8). I don't have hold of my belief; my belief has hold of me.

MitzaLizalor 02-23-2013 11:39 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by MsEffy (Post 980495)
This site is absolutely ridiculous. It's like I have teleported back to 1825. Atheism is not an excuse for homosexuality, and even if it was, there is nothig wrong with being gay. I am an Atheist and I respect everyone's beliefs.

Well, you say you do but do you respect this belief:
Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death whether small or great whether man or woman
or this:
He that sacrificeth unto any god save unto the LORD only he shall be utterly destroyed
or this:
The daughter of any priest if she profane herself by playing the whore she profaneth her father she shall be burnt with fire
?


That is what The Bible teaches. Are you suggesting that you disrespect those who respect God's Inerrant Word?

Don't take my word for it. Check it out here

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remember this?
I respect everyone's beliefs

Dr Laurence Niles 02-23-2013 11:43 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Truth I Seek (Post 978378)
Wrong, only factual evidence count because they can be verified. Faith related evidences cannot so they do not count.

If I claim I have a ring in my pocket you may believe it or not, it's a question of faith and while it is in my pocket it cannot be verified.

If I take the ring off my pocket it can be verified and it's a factual proof.

Rubbish.

It can be verified. If another person saw you palm the ring into your pocket that would be evidence. You may not beleive the person (maybe he is coloured) but it would still be evidence.

When Jesus said He was God, who would you believe: Jesus or some foreigner with a potential ring in her pocket?

You need to take a few more classes in logic, young lady.

YIC

Dr Laurence Niles 02-23-2013 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MsEffy (Post 980495)
This site is absolutely ridiculous. It's like I have teleported back to 1825.........But you guys just use your belief as an excuse to be a racist, homophobic, masogynistic Rodimer.

You mean time travel, idiot.

What is a Rodimer? I know I'm no longer hep with the kid's lingo but c'mon.

YIC

Miss Whoremonger 02-23-2013 12:07 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
This is the 21st century, when are you going to realise everybody thinks you're ridiculous.

MitzaLizalor 02-23-2013 12:11 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by MsEffy (Post 980522)
This is the 21st century, when are you going to realise everybody thinks you're ridiculous.

I don't mind if you think I'm ridiculous.

What I'm interested in is what you mean by
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I respect everyone's beliefs


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