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MitzaLizalor 04-23-2019 12:23 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Pim Pendergast (Post 975586)
If I were God, I would/ wouldn’t… I wasn’t sure what to call this one, so I made up a name for it. Perhaps someone else on this godly forum knows the proper name. This is when people try to disprove God’s existence by claiming that if they God they would do things differently. For example, Richard Dawkins claimed that if God were real, He would have created fewer species. People often say something like, “If I were God, I wouldn’t allow suffering in the world; therefore God doesn’t exist.” Just because you might do things differently if you were God doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist. Personally, I wouldn’t do anything differently if I were God. He is perfect.

Can anyone else think of other fallacies?

If I were God I'd know how to create a universe.
The universe exists.
Therefore I am God.

Let's face it, that's what they're saying in effect. Would that be affirming the consequent?

Pim Pendergast 04-25-2019 11:11 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor (Post 1250167)
If I were God I'd know how to create a universe.
The universe exists.
Therefore I am God.

Let's face it, that's what they're saying in effect. Would that be affirming the consequent?

That's another good one to add to the list, Sister. Affirming the consequent takes the form:
If A, then B
B
Therefore A
To take an example from another thread, an atheist might say:
If there is no God, then miracles are impossible
Miracles are impossible
Therefore there is no God
But if miracles are impossible, then how did Jesus perform miracles? How did He rise from the dead?

Of course, the atheist doesn't want to hear evidence of God's existence. By rejecting the miraculous, he is rejecting the strongest evidence we have.

MitzaLizalor 04-25-2019 11:24 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
:rofl3: Honestly! Stop it! They might as well go
If there is no God, then elephants are giraffes
Elephants are giraffes
Therefore there is no God
or even
If the moon is square, then God is real
The moon is not square
Therefore God is not real
I think I'm going to be sick

Collinslaw 04-28-2019 01:19 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez (Post 1250132)
Who is more idiotic, the believer quoting the Bible in an argument against atheists, or the atheist not quoting the Bible against the believers?


I think the winner is the one not making even an argument on why is idiotic. Yes, the winner is the one sentence wonder who cannot even back his claims with a proper argument! Congrats!

brother,a times. We need to ignore and pray for them. We don't debate with darkness as children of Light. Rather we preach in and out of seasons, exhort,rebuke and convince with longsuffering. The tough atheist don't know that someone like pharaoh once existed whom God thoughed his heart unto destruction for the power and Glory of God to be made known.we all remember romans 9 verses 19-23

MitzaLizalor 04-29-2019 08:58 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by Collinslaw
The tough atheist don't know that someone like pharaoh once existed
I think you'll find that atheists know there were pharaohs.

Quote:

we all remember Romans 9 verses 19-23
For those who don't, here is the context:

Romans 9:19-23 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory

Funnily enough God articulates what He means. You seem to have missed out that bit:

Romans 9:25b-32b I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith

Collinslaw 04-29-2019 02:39 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor (Post 1250669)
I think you'll find that atheists know there were pharaohs.



For those who don't, here is the context:
Romans 9:19-23 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory
Funnily enough God articulates what He means. You seem to have missed out that bit:
Romans 9:25b-32b I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith

They know pharaoh but are they aware that God harden the heart of the biblical pharaoh so he can be stubborn and proud unto his own destruction. Many of these atheist are stubborn in this generation mocking and saying "there is no God". :nono::nono:


The bible already talked about them along time ago
Psalm 14:1-4


The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.

MitzaLizalor 04-30-2019 08:39 AM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
It's great to read God's Word in the KJV as He intended. I was shocked to learn how much had been altered or redacted in the other so-called "bibles" out there.

God has explained how certain types say There Is No God. They're called atheists and are determined to mock Christ. They even say they're NOT claiming there's no God!

God Himself has provided the definition here, they can't help themselves, they just have to contradict Him. Thank you for posting this encouraging Psalm.

Collinslaw 04-30-2019 03:35 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
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Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor (Post 1250743)
It's great to read God's Word in the KJV as He intended. I was shocked to learn how much had been altered or redacted in the other so-called "bibles" out there.

God has explained how certain types say There Is No God. They're called atheists and are determined to mock Christ. They even say they're NOT claiming there's no God!

God Himself has provided the definition here, they can't help themselves, they just have to contradict Him. Thank you for posting this encouraging Psalm.

:bye: its not easy to be a true Christian in this country. There are lot of idolatry and godless people here. If I preach about Jesus, some folks have this pride and deluded belief that they can continue their sinful life and still make heaven which is clearly impossible. Some people here say they are Christians and are ordinary church goers.they don't even know the Holy Spirit and do not love God. How can someone go to church on Sunday and then later go to a witchcraft on Monday or even some churches have forgotten to preach on Holiness. Its a terrible spiritual disaster here

MitzaLizalor 05-04-2019 03:12 PM

Re: Atheist fallacies
 
Which part of Africa are you in?


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