The Landover Baptist Church Forum

The Landover Baptist Church Forum (https://www.landoverbaptist.net/forumindex.php)
-   Teaching His Word (https://www.landoverbaptist.net/forumdisplay.php?f=9)
-   -   Jesus hates progressive taxes, and the 47%. (https://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=82977)

Prayer Warrior 09-28-2012 10:03 AM

Jesus hates progressive taxes, and the 47%.
 
Let me share with you a parable Jesus tells in Matthew 25: 14-30. In it, there are 3 servants. One receives 5 talents, one receives 2, and the last servant receives only 1 talent.

The first two servants double their talents, bringing their totals up to 10 talents, and 4 talents, respectively. The last servant buries the talent, keeping it safe for his master. When the master returns, he scolds the one servant. In this parable, talent could be seen as a representation of hard work and money.

Matthew 25: 26 "His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:"

The bible says the servant who failed to profit is wicked and slothful.

The story acknowledges that not everyone starts with the same thing. Some people are simply born into wealth. This is because God knows that people who are poor are wicked, slothful, and would waste their wealth. People who are born into wealth on the other hand are those who have a tendency to increase that wealth. This is why people who are already wealthy tend to increase their wealth vastly, while those who are poor tend to grow even poorer.

The two servants who make a profit represent hard working Americans who are able to make a profit. The other one servant represents the 47% of wicked, slothful people that Mitt Romney alluded to who fail to pay any federal income tax.

This is further reinforced by Matthew 17:24-27, where Jesus mentions that people should pay taxes. By failing to pay taxes, these people are scum who are ignoring Jesus, and getting exactly what they deserve.

Psalm 11:5 "The Lord trieth the righteous: But the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth."

What does God say about those who are wicked? Simple, God hates the wicked. He doesn't just “hate the sin” as some liberal false Christians would have you believe.

God hates wicked people Psalm 11:5

The story ends the way it should, with the master taking the one talent from the wicked, slothful servant, and giving it to the good productive servant who has 10 talents.

Matthew 25:29 " For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath."

This verse not only shows the amazing predictive powers of Jesus, (further proof of his divinity), but it also demonstrates that poor people should have what little they have taken away. While those who are wealthy should be given even more. This story proves that Jesus is in support of regressive, not a progressive tax. By adopting a progressive tax, Demoncrats are spitting in Jesus’s face :thumbdown:.

Matthew 25:30 "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth"

Lastly, the story ends with the unprofitable servant being cast into outer darkness.:thumbsup:

Cranky Old Man 09-28-2012 03:05 PM

Re: Jesus hates progressive taxes, and the 47%.
 
Exactly! Making money is God's way and it is the American way. The poor shout shut up, get a bath and get a job.

Obama has to stop stealing our money which is only used for gay orgies at NASA and redecorating the White House over and over again. I heard rumors they now even converted the White House to a beer brewery :wacko:.

Bobby-Joe 09-28-2012 03:35 PM

Re: Jesus hates progressive taxes, and the 47%.
 
The Lord lays it on the line right then and there. So what if you only have one small coin that can only buy a chicken and you need to eat. The good Lord expects you to turn to Freemarket and get two chickens.

Anything less than 100% return in investment is a sin (as in socialism) in the eyes God.

MitzaLizalor 01-03-2021 05:36 AM

Re: Jesus hates progressive taxes, and the 47%.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Prayer Warrior

Let me share with you a parable Jesus tells in Matthew 25: 14-30. In it, there are 3 servants. One receives 5 talents, one receives 2, and the last servant receives only 1 talent. The first two servants double their talents, bringing their totals up to 10 talents, and 4 talents, respectively. The last servant buries the talent, keeping it safe for his master. When the master returns, he scolds the one servant. In this parable, talent could be seen as a representation of hard work and money. Matthew 25: 26 "His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:" The bible says the servant who failed to profit is wicked and slothful. The story acknowledges that not everyone starts with the same thing. Some people are simply born into wealth. This is because God knows that people who are poor are wicked, slothful, and would waste their wealth. People who are born into wealth on the other hand are those who have a tendency to increase that wealth. This is why people who are already wealthy tend to increase their wealth vastly, while those who are poor tend to grow even poorer. The two servants who make a profit represent hard working Americans who are able to make a profit. The other one servant represents the 47% of wicked, slothful people that Mitt Romney alluded to who fail to pay any federal income tax. This is further reinforced by Matthew 17:24-27, where Jesus mentions that people should pay taxes. By failing to pay taxes, these people are scum who are ignoring Jesus, and getting exactly what they deserve. Psalm 11:5 "The Lord trieth the righteous: But the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth." What does God say about those who are wicked? Simple, God hates the wicked. He doesn't just “hate the sin” as some liberal false Christians would have you believe. God hates wicked people Psalm 11:5 The story ends the way it should, with the master taking the one talent from the wicked, slothful servant, and giving it to the good productive servant who has 10 talents. Matthew 25:29 " For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath." This verse not only shows the amazing predictive powers of Jesus, (further proof of his divinity), but it also demonstrates that poor people should have what little they have taken away. While those who are wealthy should be given even more. This story proves that Jesus is in support of regressive, not a progressive tax. By adopting a progressive tax, Demoncrats are spitting in Jesus’s face :thumbdown:. Matthew 25:30 "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" Lastly, the story ends with the unprofitable servant being cast into outer darkness.:thumbsup:

It is important to be prudent. How often do we hear people telling us what that means, to invest in their Ponzi scheme or stock up on pyramid items no-one wants to buy? There's no limit to this stuff; once they've invented their pseudo-God nothing will dissuade them from believing you'd like to hear about it too. Well I wouldn't. The Bible explains about prudence, including where money is concerned.

A single witness may be disputed but in this case we have evidence from Matthew AND Luke; in the latter case a different unit of weight is used so that conversion between talents and pounds – according to the metal used – could be determined. Different metal standards existed back then but once deposited in a bank the value becomes a figure in a ledger, regardless of how it was deposited. A bit like if someone gives you Euros for Christmas (an aunt, say) and someone else (a grandparent) sends Canadian dollars in a tasteful card • you take them to your bank • the bank calculates a conversion for you • the value appears as a balance you can spend via card or you could withdraw cash or even convert it into Pesos, or for that matter buy some gold: it all amounts to the same thing. For term deposits of course interest would be paid.

Luke confirms that this was the case in Roman times too.

LUKE 19:12-26 [Jesus speaking]
A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: for I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

A usurer generates capital from interest charged on loans made. Jesus refers to this revenue stream in the blue-highlighted section. Whether it's used to build capital over time or just frittered away on fizzy drinks and sequins is up to the usurer I suppose. Other models include Banks investing in businesses (on behalf of depositors) whose successful ventures enable more to be repaid than was originally loaned.
For example: PERSON A has $10,000 to invest with BANK B.
I want to make cashmere shawls for the winter market but need to buy the wool. I apply for business finance at BANK B and receive the $10,000.
FARMER C has plenty of wool, some of which I buy. I spin the wool and make ten lovely shawls to take to the market.
CUSTOMERS D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L & M buy one shawl each @ $2,500 per shawl. I now have $25,000.
I repay my loan plus 50% interest.
BANK B now has $15,000 of which $10,000 belongs to PERSON A plus whatever interest was agreed. Let's say the bank keeps half and pays the other half as interest.
PERSON A can now withdraw $12,500 from BANK B and give it all to Jesus.
My question is, is this the type of investment Jesus mentioned or was He talking about the pay-day-loan type of business model where nobody really invests in anything? I would not like to err in this respect.


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:35 PM.

Powered by Jesus - vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Landover Baptist Forums © 1620, 2022 all rights reserved