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Jeb Stuart Thurmond 11-13-2007 10:15 AM

What Christians believe about Abortion
 
What Christians believe about Abortion:

Does life begin at conception?

The Bible clearly states that Life begins BEFORE conception.

Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. -Jeremiah 1:5, and Psalm 139:13

Life begins at the time sperm are created. This why God put Onan to death for using birth control:

Genesis 38:9-10:

And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest he should give seed to his brother.

And the thing which he did displeased the LORD; therefore He slew him also.

If we were to believe that life begins at conception, sins like masturbation and birth-control would be acceptable. However, life begins BEFORE conception, so they are not.

Loophole: Note that while human life begins before conception, Jewish life begins one month after birth:

In Leviticus 27:6 a monetary value was placed on jewish children, but not until they reached one month old (any younger had no value). Full Chapter
Likewise, Numbers 3:15:

"Count the Levites by their families and clans. Count every male a month old or more."

What's the difference between True Christian beliefs on Abortion and false-Christian beliefs on abortion?

Catholic dogma and "infallable" Popes support baby-murdering:

Quote:

From Vicars of Christ, by Peter De Rosa (former professor at the prestigious Gregorian University, in Rome):

"For fourteen hundred years until late in the nineteenth century, all Catholics, including the popes, took it for granted that the soul is not infused at conception. If the church was wholly opposed to abortion, as it was, it was not on the basis of the conceptus startingas a human being.

From the fifth century, the church accepted without question the primitive embryology of Aristotle. The embryo began as a non-human speck that was progressively animated. This speck had to evolve from vegetative, through animal to spiritual being. Only in its final stage was it a human being. This is why Gratian was able to say: `He is not a murderer who brings about abortion before the soul is in the body.'

The characteristics of the foetus were attributed solely to the father. It (and it was correct to refer to the embryo as `it') became human at forty days for the male and eighty days for the female. A female resulted, said Aquinas, from defective seed or from the fact that conception took place when a damp wind was blowing. It followed that to abort a foetus in the early stages of pregnancy was wrong, since it was the destruction of a potential human being. It was not murder, since it was not the killing of an actual human being.

In the fifteenth century, moralists began to ask whether it was not possible in certain circumstances to get rid of the foetus without fault. For example, when it results from rape or incest or even from adultery, thus threatening the husband's rights and the marriage itself. The same dilemma arose in the case of a mother whose health would be endangered if she had to bring a foetus to full term. Was it not a moral duty to save a human life at the expense of a non_human if potentially human life? Some of the (most prominent Catholic) theologians answered Yes.

Some went further. They said it was permissible to save a mother's life even after the foetus was humanized, that is, after the soul was infused...

...(The "infallable") Gregory XIII (1572-85) said it was not homicide to kill an embryo of less than forty days since it was not human. Even after forty days, though it was homicide, it was not as serious as killing a person already born, since it was not done in hatred or revenge....

As late as the eighteenth century, the (Catholic) church's greatest moral theologian, St. Alfonsus Liguori, was still denying that the soul was infused at conception. Like Aquinas before him, he did not say direct abortion was right, but his view allowed a flexibility of approach to abortion, especially when the mother's life was in danger." (p. 375)

St. Augustine, Bishop of Hippo (ca. 415 AD), one of the most influential of all Catholic theologians, persuaded early Church leaders that abortion should not be regarded 'as homicide, for there cannot be a living soul in a body that lacks sensation due to its not yet being formed.' He, and Thomas Aquinas after him, taught that the embryo does not acquire a human soul until the end of the first trimester. At the beginning of the 13th century Pope Innocent II proposed that 'quickening' (the time when the woman first feels the fetus move within her) should be the moment at which abortion becomes homicide. Abortions occurring prior to that moment constituted a less serious sin. Pope Gregory XIV 's declaration in 1591 that early abortion was not grounds for excommunication guided Church policy until 1869.
More Info here.

Born-again babykillers.

I can't believe how many times I have heard a false-Christian say "I believe life begins at conception because I'm a born-again Christian." HELLO? "I believe life begins at CONCEPTION because I'm a BORN-again Christian?" If you really believed life begins at conception, you would call yourself a "concieved-again" Christian, not a born-again Christian.

Here is a list that proves that even protestant false-Christians still believe the Catholic baby-killing dogma:

They baptize babies after birth. True Christians™ baptize the unborn baby with an injection.

They celebrate "Birthdays" not conceptiondays as True Christians do

They say "I have two children and one on the way" instead of "I have three children".

True Christian women check their maxi-pads for miscarriages, and hold a funeral when they find one. "Born-again" babykillers don't.

They have no complaints about the census not counting the unborn.

They also have no complaints against "birth certificates" while True Christians are lobbying for them to be replaced with Conception Certificates

The vast majority of birth control methods involve killing a fertilized egg, including the ubiquitous birth control pill. That's right, if your wife is on the pill, she's a baby-killer. False-Christians brag about how they oppose abortion, yet they have no complaints about this far more common type of babykilling.

Though they oppose stem cell research, which mutilates dead babies, they don't oppose the In vitro fertilisation process which murdered the babies in the first place. Stem Cells are corpses being recycled. It's the fetilization process that created the corpses - and false-Christians don't have anything against it.

The biggest hypocracy of these liberal Christians is that they consider AIDS, Malaria, famine and so on as problems that should be solved, yet they do NOTHING about the fact that 74% of children die of natural causes in the womb (usually within days of conception). They're all "let's cure AIDS" and "let's stop famine" but when it comes to millions upon millions of unborn babies dieing...They suddenly don't care.

Of course, True Christians don't care about either AIDS or unborn babies killed by God's will, because we believe in God's Divine Plan and have no desire to mess it up.

Is abortion Murder?

Yes.

Is Murder wrong?

Sometimes. When God orders us to murder, it is "smiting".

For example, the Bible clearly states that pregnant criminals should be executed:

Genesis 38:24:
24 About three months later Judah was told, "Your daughter-in-law Tamar is guilty of prostitution, and as a result she is now pregnant."
Judah said, "Bring her out and have her burned to death!"
(Full chapter)

Jesus said Judas should have been aborted for his own sake:

"The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born." -Matthew 26:24

King Solomon said for some it might better to be aborted: "Better the miscarriage than he..." -Ecclesiastes 6:3-5

"I should have been...from womb to tomb" -Job 10:18-19

This DOES NOT mean that women have a "right to choose" murder. Only God, and True Christian MEN such as Jesus, King Solomon, and Job have a right to choose murder.

If a man suspects his wife is cheating on him, she has to have an abortion.

Note that this is not "pro-choice" because the woman does not choose to murder her baby. Her husband chooses to have a priest murder the baby, and she has no say in the matter.

In the morally-sound days of Moses, a husband can take her to a priest where she will be given a medicine ("bitter water") which aborts the fetus. If she is guilty of this trespass, "may he make thy thigh to rot, and may thy belly swell and burst asunder. Let the cursed water enter into thy belly, and may thy womb swell and they thigh rot." Numbers 5:21-22 King James Version

The New International translates this in a way that makes it hard to understand. Things suddenly get clearer by looking at the alternative translations in the footnotes:

Numbers 5:21 Or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness
Numbers 5:22 Or body and cause you to be barren and have a miscarrying womb
Numbers 5:27 Or suffering; she will have barrenness and a miscarrying womb

Here is the whole thing in NIV, with the footnotes placed in the text:

The Test for an Unfaithful Wife

11 Then the LORD said to Moses,

12 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If a man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him
13 by sleeping with another man, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act),
14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure-
15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder offering to draw attention to guilt.
16 " 'The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD.

17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.
18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.
19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other man has slept with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you.
20 Butif you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have defiled yourself by sleeping with a man other than your husband'"-
21 here st is to put the woman under this curse of the oath-"may the LORD cause your people to curse and denounce you when he causes you to ' have a miscarrying womb and barrenness.
22 May this water cause you to be barren and have a miscarrying womb " " 'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."
23 " 'The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water.
24 He shall have the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water will enter her and cause bitter suffering.
25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to the altar.
26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water.
27 If she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter suffering; she will have barrenness and a miscarrying womb, and she will become accursed among her people.
28 If, however, the woman has not defiled herself and is free from impurity, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

Nobar King 11-13-2007 03:18 PM

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Hallelujah brother Jeb! Praise you for posting such an informative lesson! You do the lord's work.

"may he make thy thigh to rot, and may they belly swell and burst asunder. Let the cursed water enter into thy belly, and may thy womb swell and they thigh rot." 15:21-22 King James Version

The 'make thy thigh rot' part is a little harsh. Sounds like a combination punishment/abortion. Serves her right for making her husband think that she was sleeping around.

Father Thomas Martin 11-17-2007 07:23 AM

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Jeb Thormond, get out of the Old Testament!

Jesus repealed all the other old laws (besides the Decalogue) when He died on the Cross!

Enigmatic Harpo Marx 11-17-2007 07:51 AM

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I find it deliciously ironic that most fundamental Christian tenants comes from the book of the Jews and yet they find the beliefs of Jews to be quite...distasteful. hehehehe

SalvationSeeker 11-17-2007 07:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin (Post 109247)
Jeb Thormond, get out of the Old Testament!

Jesus repealed all the other old laws (besides the Decalogue) when He died on the Cross!

Chapter and verse, papist scum! :angry:

Seeker 11-17-2007 08:02 AM

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I don't give a flying monkey of this political nonsense. I could never ever have an abortion. Okay, If i was raped, ya betcha, morning after pill. In a nano second... Something like (don't make me look it up now cuz it is past my bedtime)US military does it 24/7. how is it okay to kill grown adults "JUST WALKING IN THEIR Land.."











"

At least I would be in the ER in 3 seconds before anyone could bitch a human life. And then some. I would be the one for the responsibility in that sense.

I am a way... leftie, but still... Yeah, abortion makes me sad.. But I realize the Rublicans that bitch are not willing to give up their Christian homes for it. (sad) They like to kill!!!

Enigmatic Harpo Marx 11-17-2007 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker (Post 109259)
Chapter and verse, papist scum! :angry:

tsk, tsk now is that anyway to treat a man of the cloth

Talitha 11-17-2007 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Enigmatic Harpo Marx (Post 109264)
tsk, tsk now is that anyway to treat a man of the cloth

The only Cloth that Catlicks are interested in is the cloth that covers a child's Butt.

Father Thomas Martin 11-20-2007 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker (Post 109259)
Chapter and verse, papist scum! :angry:

OK:

It's a common fact that carrots are good for your eyes.

BUT nowhere in the Bible does it say that...So is it false then?

Pastor Ezekiel 11-20-2007 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin (Post 110038)
OK:

It's a common fact that carrots are good for your eyes.

BUT nowhere in the Bible does it say that...So is it false then?

Nice try, papist. When you are losing a debate, bring up some extraneous nonsense to change the subject...:glare:

The Bible DOES say men shouldn't wear dresses. What's your excuse there?

Father Thomas Martin 11-21-2007 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel (Post 110057)
Nice try, papist. When you are losing a debate, bring up some extraneous nonsense to change the subject...:glare:

The Bible DOES say men shouldn't wear dresses. What's your excuse there?

It says a WOMAN'S dress.

Our vestments signify the importance of what we are doing, as the Mass is the unbloody ongoing sacrifice of the Cross...

I see you just wear suit and tie when you preach, so people would get the impression that you don't take the Lord's work seriously at all...

Pastor Isaac Peters 11-21-2007 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin (Post 110084)
It says a WOMAN'S dress.

As opposed to what, a man's dress? A dress is a woman's garment (Deut. 22:5); I don't know how you can walk down the street, see how people dress, and still think otherwise.

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Our vestments signify the importance of what we are doing, as the Mass is the unbloody ongoing sacrifice of the Cross...
Ongoing sacrifice? Really? Then explain this:

Hebrews 10:10: By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

Also, if it's unbloody, then how can the communion wine actually become the Blood of Christ, as your Catholic vampire cult teaches? You can't have it both ways, papist.

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I see you just wear suit and tie when you preach, so people would get the impression that you don't take the Lord's work seriously at all...
Okey dokey. Our pastors should wear fish-head hats, silk dresses, and red Prada slippers. Yeah, nothing conveys seriousness like that. :rofl3:

Sister Noddy 11-22-2007 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters (Post 110224)

Okey dokey. Our pastors should wear fish-head hats, silk dresses, and red Prada slippers. Yeah, nothing conveys seriousness like that. :rofl3:

And don't forget the papist's slippery bead fingers while you're at, Pastor! :beee:

your mother 11-22-2007 02:57 PM

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FALCON PUNCH!!!!

Nobar King 11-22-2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by your mother (Post 110414)
FALCON PUNCH!!!!

Is that some kind of demon Xbox attack combo?

Rachael Van Helsing 11-24-2007 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeb Thurmond (Post 108076)
What Christians believe about Abortion: *snip*

I believe I already made a thread on this subject. The bible is more pro-abortion than against. And, there are more quotes saying that life begins with the first breath, and not conception.

Father Thomas Martin 11-24-2007 06:08 AM

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That is one thing I disagree with both you AND Landover on...

How can they quote Jesus from the Old Testament? God the Father said everything, God the Son said nothing until the Gospels...And all the quotes about "keeping the old law" were made BEFORE the Passion...Think up some ones afterwards...

Rachael Van Helsing 11-24-2007 08:37 AM

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It's all fairytales to me, Fr Tom. You might as well ask me 'how could that awful wolf eat little red riding hood'? :D

DantesBbyGrl07 11-25-2007 01:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seeker (Post 109263)
I don't give a flying monkey of this political nonsense. I could never ever have an abortion. Okay, If i was raped, ya betcha, morning after pill. In a nano second... Something like (don't make me look it up now cuz it is past my bedtime)US military does it 24/7. how is it okay to kill grown adults "JUST WALKING IN THEIR Land.."











"

At least I would be in the ER in 3 seconds before anyone could bitch a human life. And then some. I would be the one for the responsibility in that sense.

I am a way... leftie, but still... Yeah, abortion makes me sad.. But I realize the Rublicans that bitch are not willing to give up their Christian homes for it. (sad) They like to kill!!!





What's the difference between a wanted Child for Christ and a Child conceived in rape? I see none, they two are still children, Shouldn't both be given their fair chance at life as you and I were. Abortion in any form is wrong and goes against the Bible "Be fruitful and multiply" If Christ wanted his children smited he would do it himself, Man (or woman) has NO RIGHT doing Christ's job for him and any man who pretends to be the Lord and smit a child born or unborn deserves to burn in hell for all eternity.

Seeker 11-25-2007 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DantesBbyGrl07 (Post 111001)
What's the difference between a wanted Child for Christ and a Child conceived in rape? I see none, they two are still children, Shouldn't both be given their fair chance at life as you and I were. Abortion in any form is wrong and goes against the Bible "Be fruitful and multiply" If Christ wanted his children smited he would do it himself, Man (or woman) has NO RIGHT doing Christ's job for him and any man who pretends to be the Lord and smit a child born or unborn deserves to burn in hell for all eternity.

Because if one was aborted - that would be a straight ticket to paradise. They would not have to endure free will.

Jeb Stuart Thurmond 11-25-2007 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DantesBbyGrl07 (Post 111001)
Abortion in any form is wrong and goes against the Bible "Be fruitful and multiply"

Good point. I'm glad to see that you agree with us that all women should be pregnant from puberty to menopause. I see you've been banned, I assume this is because you're underage? I assume we'll meet again in the LBC children's forum (don't bother googling it, it's not open to the public.)

SalvationSeeker 11-25-2007 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Seeker (Post 111024)
Because if one was aborted - that would be a straight ticket to paradise. They would not have to endure free will.

Sorry, but no.
Everyone who hasn't accepted Jesus, the unborn included, go to hell.

Miss Maisie 11-25-2007 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker (Post 111047)
Sorry, but no.
Everyone who hasn't accepted Jesus, the unborn included, go to hell.

Amen, Brother SS. I do hope this Seeker child ain't advocating abortion, we have enough witches and harlots and liberals here who do that as it is!

Brother Temperance 11-25-2007 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Seeker (Post 109263)
I don't give a flying monkey of this political nonsense. I could never ever have an abortion. Okay, If i was raped, ya betcha, morning after pill. In a nano second... Something like (don't make me look it up now cuz it is past my bedtime)US military does it 24/7. how is it okay to kill grown adults "JUST WALKING IN THEIR Land.."
...
I am a way... leftie, but still... Yeah, abortion makes me sad.. But I realize the Rublicans that bitch are not willing to give up their Christian homes for it. (sad) They like to kill!!!

Woman. No-one cares what you have to say. If we wanted your opinion, we'd ask you to bake an opinion-shaped pie.
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Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin (Post 110840)
That is one thing I disagree with both you AND Landover on...

How can they quote Jesus from the Old Testament? God the Father said everything, God the Son said nothing until the Gospels...And all the quotes about "keeping the old law" were made BEFORE the Passion...Think up some ones afterwards...

Have you ever heard of this wacky conspiracy theory about the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost all being one? It's quite common among, um, Christians. And it's surprisingly hard trying to find quotes from Christ from AFTER He ascended up to Heaven, for some reason. Would you care to post any Bible verses, or would that go against your beliefs?
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Originally Posted by Seeker (Post 111024)
Because if one was aborted - that would be a straight ticket to paradise. They would not have to endure free will.

Are you seriously claiming that an unborn baby can repent of its sins and accept Christ? Because if not, I don't see how you can even begin to justify falsely claiming that the little critters aren't going straight to the flamepit.

Father Thomas Martin 11-26-2007 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Temperance (Post 111155)
Have you ever heard of this wacky conspiracy theory about the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost all being one? It's quite common among, um, Christians. And it's surprisingly hard trying to find quotes from Christ from AFTER He ascended up to Heaven, for some reason. Would you care to post any Bible verses, or would that go against your beliefs?

Yes,
The Father IS God.
The Son IS God.
The Holy Spirit IS God.

BUT:

The Father is NOT the Son.
The Son is NOT the Holy Spirit.
The Father is NOT the Holy Spirit.

What you're proposing is the heresy of Modalism, saying God is one Person wearing three "masks," rather than three unique Persons in one same God, as TRUE CHRISTIANS believe!

SalvationSeeker 11-26-2007 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin (Post 111298)
Yes,
The Father IS God.
The Son IS God.
The Holy Spirit IS God.

BUT:

The Father is NOT the Son.
The Son is NOT the Holy Spirit.
The Father is NOT the Holy Spirit.

No, you're wrong.
If you're confused on the trinity (of course you are, being an unrepentat papist you can't really see the nature of God)
Then here's an example.. Water comes in three forms: liquid, ice and steam/gas.
All those are water, yet in 3 very different forms. And they're inseparable as they're the same compound.
It's the same with God.

So when Jesus speaks, He speaks not of His own. He speaks for all 3.
The same goes for any other part of God. When the Father said it, the Son said it too, and so the Holy Spirit.

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
John 7:16-17

^ Thus He is inseparable from the Father. Thus, when Jesus spoke, the Father did too:
So when the Father spoke, Jesus did too.

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:18

For He says bears witness of Himself.
But in John 5:31, He says that if He bears witness of Himself, His witness is not true.
So if He were separable from any other part of the God, how then could He bear witness of Himself without contradicting His previous sayings in John 5:31?
Are you saying Jesus Christ, savior of mankind, contradict Himself?? :angry:

He can bear witness of Himself without contradicting Himself, as 'Himself' is one made out of three parts that can act individually, yet are inseparable.
Three who are one, even in Jesus Himself, who bears witness of Jesus.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word*, and the Holy Ghost:
And these three are one.
1 John 5:7

*Jesus is the Word, who is God and with God, the Creator of all.
See John 1:1-3, John 1:10 & John 1:14

Confused, papist scum? :glare: Well, as the Holy Bible says:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
For they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:14

If you are, or/and if you reject this.
That's because you are a natural man, an unsaved man.. And so hellbound and without the Spirit.

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What you're proposing is the heresy of Modalism, saying God is one Person wearing three "masks," rather than three unique Persons in one same God, as TRUE CHRISTIANS believe!
No, we're not. God is ONE entity made out of three inseparable and interchangeable parts that can act individually, and are all made out of the same 'essence'.
It's you who believe in THREE DIFFERENT GODS crammed in one body like siamese twins instead of ONE GOD! :angry:
REPENT HERETIC!
:repent:

Seeker 11-26-2007 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker (Post 111047)
Sorry, but no.
Everyone who hasn't accepted Jesus, the unborn included, go to hell.

Well my bad because I have been taught a couple of different things.

One is that the age of accountabilty that is really not even in the bible, so to say. All children are innocent because they don't understand sin yet. So they get a 'free' ticket if they die before hand. Even though they are born in sin, thanks to Adam. :innocent: It really boils down to it is your parents fault that they had sex and Boom you came along. ;)

Another one is babtism but that has been debunked since we know the thief on the cross made it by the hair on his chiny chin chin..


So by your theory( I mean the word) are you saying that all children/babies are going to hell aborted or not because they are not able to understand Jesus at their time of death and life and they are SOL for living at that time? Reminds me of a ton of OT people.

Sweet. :jesus:

Seeker 11-26-2007 04:24 AM

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Woman. No-one cares what you have to say. If we wanted your opinion, we'd ask you to bake an opinion-shaped pie.
That would be cool. How can I do that?

Father Septic Tank 11-26-2007 06:16 AM

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The bible not only condones abortion...it tell of ways to do an abortion in the Bible. Especially if your woman has slept with another man.

Oh yes....read up young serpents tongued ones. Abortion IS in the Bible.

:ph34r:

"And when he hath made her drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed." (Numbers 5:27-28)

Jesus wonders if I am the only super christian on the planet....of course I am.

Father Thomas Martin 11-26-2007 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Father Skeptic (Post 111377)
The bible not only condones abortion...it tell of ways to do an abortion in the Bible. Especially if your woman has slept with another man.

Oh yes....read up young serpents tongued ones. Abortion IS in the Bible.

:ph34r:

"And when he hath made her drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed." (Numbers 5:27-28)

Jesus wonders if I am the only super christian on the planet....of course I am.

They don't call you "Unsaved Trash" on this board for nothing!

Pastor Ezekiel 11-26-2007 06:27 AM

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion
 
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Originally Posted by Father Skeptic (Post 111377)
The bible not only condones abortion...it tell of ways to do an abortion in the Bible. Especially if your woman has slept with another man.

Oh yes....read up young serpents tongued ones. Abortion IS in the Bible.

:ph34r:

"And when he hath made her drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed." (Numbers 5:27-28)

Jesus wonders if I am the only super christian on the planet....of course I am.

You are an imbecile who takes scripture completely out of context. :glare:

And besides, that water made the woman sterile (thus permanently unsaved). It doesn't say that she was with child.

Next. :jesus:

Father Septic Tank 11-26-2007 06:28 AM

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion
 
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Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin (Post 111380)
They don't call you "Unsaved Trash" on this board for nothing!

Takes one to know one I guess.

I cannot help it they stick those tags on there for us.

I can assure you that I am quite saved. :ph34r:

Pastor Ezekiel 11-26-2007 06:31 AM

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion
 
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Originally Posted by Father Skeptic (Post 111382)
Takes one to know one I guess.

I cannot help it they stick those tags on there for us.

I can assure you that I am quite saved. :ph34r:

No God mocker or defender of sodomites could be Saved©.

Personally, I can't wait to see you burn in hell. :thumbsup:

Father Thomas Martin 11-26-2007 06:31 AM

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion
 
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Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker (Post 111329)
No, you're wrong.
If you're confused on the trinity (of course you are, being an unrepentat papist you can't really see the nature of God)
Then here's an example.. Water comes in three forms: liquid, ice and steam/gas.
All those are water, yet in 3 very different forms. And they're inseparable as they're the same compound.
It's the same with God.

So when Jesus speaks, He speaks not of His own. He speaks for all 3.
The same goes for any other part of God. When the Father said it, the Son said it too, and so the Holy Spirit.

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
John 7:16-17

^ Thus He is inseparable from the Father. Thus, when Jesus spoke, the Father did too:
So when the Father spoke, Jesus did too.

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:18

For He says bears witness of Himself.
But in John 5:31, He says that if He bears witness of Himself, His witness is not true.
So if He were separable from any other part of the God, how then could He bear witness of Himself without contradicting His previous sayings in John 5:31?
Are you saying Jesus Christ, savior of mankind, contradict Himself?? :angry:

He can bear witness of Himself without contradicting Himself, as 'Himself' is one made out of three parts that can act individually, yet are inseparable.
Three who are one, even in Jesus Himself, who bears witness of Jesus.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word*, and the Holy Ghost:
And these three are one.
1 John 5:7

*Jesus is the Word, who is God and with God, the Creator of all.
See John 1:1-3, John 1:10 & John 1:14

Confused, papist scum? :glare: Well, as the Holy Bible says:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
For they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:14

If you are, or/and if you reject this.
That's because you are a natural man, an unsaved man.. And so hellbound and without the Spirit.



No, we're not. God is ONE entity made out of three inseparable and interchangeable parts that can act individually, and are all made out of the same 'essence'.
It's you who believe in THREE DIFFERENT GODS crammed in one body like siamese twins instead of ONE GOD! :angry:
REPENT HERETIC!
:repent:

Okay...

When Jesus was praying to the Father, you say He was really praying to Himself?

Apparently you think so, as you say God's just one person, rather than ONE GOD, THREE PERSONS as True Christians believe.

Father Septic Tank 11-26-2007 06:32 AM

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion
 
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Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel (Post 111381)
You are an imbecile who takes scripture completely out of context. :glare:

And besides, that water made the woman sterile (thus permanently unsaved). It doesn't say that she was with child.

Next. :jesus:

Nay you are a silly sort that know nothing of the Bible and all that is in it.

In fact IF the woman WERE pregnant....her thigh would waste away and THUS that would be an abortion.

Do not look only into the Bible for that which you SEEK to find....look at what is there to find.

:ph34r:

Father Septic Tank 11-26-2007 06:36 AM

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion
 
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Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel (Post 111383)
No God mocker or defender of sodomites could be Saved©.

Personally, I can't wait to see you burn in hell. :thumbsup:

Again for someone that PROFESS to be a prophet of the Lord....you know NOTHING of the Bible.

Once saved always saved. All I had to do was accept Jesus as my personal Savior and boom.....I was saved.

You are a Godless man. You envy me. Envy is one of the seven DEADLY sins.

You will surely burn in Hell for eternity and I can't wait to see it happen...from a far of course. I'll be the eye in the sky drinking the icy cold lemonade that you will no doubt be coveting.
:ph34r:

Pastor Ezekiel 11-26-2007 06:40 AM

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion
 
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Originally Posted by Father Skeptic (Post 111387)
Again for someone that PROFESS to be a prophet of the Lord....you know NOTHING of the Bible.

Once saved always saved. All I had to do was accept Jesus as my personal Savior and boom.....I was saved.

You are a Godless man. You envy me. Envy is one of the seven DEADLY sins.

You will surely burn in Hell for eternity and I can't wait to see it happen...from a far of course. I'll be the eye in the sky drinking the icy cold lemonade that you will no doubt be coveting.
:ph34r:

I see. You're just another mary worshiper, aren't you. :pope:

Can you show me in the Holy Bible (KJV1611) where these mythological "seven deadly sins" are listed? :haha:

You defend sodomites, darwinism, witchcraft, and call yourself a prophet....AND then want to claim that you are Saved? :rofl:

Enigmatic Harpo Marx 11-26-2007 06:54 AM

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion
 
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Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel (Post 111391)
You defend sodomites, darwinism, witchcraft, and call yourself a prophet....AND then want to claim that you are Saved? :rofl:

Maybe he's just using Jesus as a pseudonym for someone even better, in which case i think an applause is in order. Oh and on the off chance that he's not and right that you will burn in Hell, good Pastor, I'll try to make sure Satan doesn't punish you too badly.

Father Septic Tank 11-26-2007 06:58 AM

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion
 
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Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel (Post 111391)
I see. You're just another mary worshiper, aren't you. :pope:

Can you show me in the Holy Bible (KJV1611) where these mythological "seven deadly sins" are listed? :haha:

You defend sodomites, darwinism, witchcraft, and call yourself a prophet....AND then want to claim that you are Saved? :rofl:

I defend nothing but Jesus.

It makes Jesus mad when you say the Earth is only 6,000 years old....and yet....its' been proven that it and everything else in the Universe is MUCH older.

The fact that you can't tell the difference between science in general and Darwinism and evolution....shows me that you are not a learned man at all.

You are the guy that accuses me of defending sodomites....you ever had a woman give you oral sex? IF so....YOU are a sodomite! I have defended you to my Lord.

I haven't once defended witchcraft. I have defended FICTION. There is no harm done in fiction. It's just a story....like Santa Claus. I suppose you are going to go on a world wide campaign to end the "story" of a fat man in red breaking into peoples houses and giving them toys....but only if they believe in Christ being born on December 25th.....which every knows he was not.

Oh yes....I am far more saved than you will ever be if you don't get your head out of your poop shoot. In fact Jesus tells me that your head is so far up your poop shoot....that He may consider that an act of homosexuality.....if at not least self sodomy. CRAZY......would you like to be original or extra crispy when you are in Hell burning forever?

Enigmatic Harpo Marx 11-26-2007 07:05 AM

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion
 
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Originally Posted by Father Septic (Post 111400)
I defend nothing but Jesus.

It makes Jesus mad when you say the Earth is only 6,000 years old....and yet....its' been proven that it and everything else in the Universe is MUCH older.

The fact that you can't tell the difference between science in general and Darwinism and evolution....shows me that you are not a learned man at all.

You are the guy that accuses me of defending sodomites....you ever had a woman give you oral sex? IF so....YOU are a sodomite! I have defended you to my Lord.

I haven't once defended witchcraft. I have defended FICTION. There is no harm done in fiction. It's just a story....like Santa Claus. I suppose you are going to go on a world wide campaign to end the "story" of a fat man in red breaking into peoples houses and giving them toys....but only if they believe in Christ being born on December 25th.....which every knows he was not.

Oh yes....I am far more saved than you will ever be if you don't get your head out of your poop shoot. In fact Jesus tells me that your head is so far up your poop shoot....that He may consider that an act of homosexuality.....if at not least self sodomy. CRAZY......would you like to be original or extra crispy when you are in Hell burning forever?

Oh ya this guy is definately a Satanist. It's ok, don't be afraid some of us are friends to your cause. Show your true colors and fight with the rest of us.


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