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Dr Laurence Niles 08-10-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1104942)
Well, opinions about God is a thing, but writing a GUIDE about how to TORTURE your children is totally WRONG.

First of all, we are taught that Hell means TORTURE ( as a punishment ) . Why would you torture your kid? God didn't allow you to have children to torture them. Who are you to decide the punishment of a human being? Before you slap your kid, remember that he or she is a kid of God, as we all are. As YOU are. You're just another child oh His. You have no right to decide the punishment by TORTURE of a human being. Let God decide if your children deserve punishment or not.

Once again the answer is in the Bible. It really is the bestest book there is.

Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

So in a very literal way Jesus (who is God) is telling us that if we love our children then we must use rod on them betimes.

What is so difficult to understand? You sound as if you only believe the bits of the Bible that fit your own personal likes and dislikes :thumbdown:

Answer me this: what do you think Jesus says about the gaywise?

Hint: it's in Leviticus 20:13

YIC

Cranky Old Man 08-10-2014 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristianMother75 (Post 1104322)
In my opinion

Your opinion could not be less relevant. Actually, please just keep your yap shut from now on. You are a great example of why the Bible tells us women need to be silent (1st Timothy 2:11-12).

All that matters is God's opinion! Not clear on what God's opinion is on a certain matter?

READ THE BIBLE !!!

But you are probably too stupid to get this.

Cranky Old Man 08-10-2014 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1104942)
You have no right to decide the punishment by TORTURE of a human being.

So to you the Bible pages containing Proverbs 13:24, Proverbs 23:13-14 and Proverbs 29:15 are to be used to wipe your behind? Why do YOU think God explicitly tells us to beat our children 3 times? Could it be to make sure even the biggest idiot cannot overlook it?

Since you are clearly too lazy to actually open your Bible allow me to repeat: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell" (Proverbs 23:13-14)

Christie 08-10-2014 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles (Post 1104955)
Answer me this: what do you think Jesus says about the gaywise?

If you ask for an OPINION, then the hint ISN'T in any source you may give me, because it's my own personal OPINION. Please, try to read more books than your own Bible. It will help you understand the world you're living in NOW, not the world of year 1400.
I don't support them. I don't like them. But I don't think they should burn in Hell either. It's not like they killed anybody. The real ones who deserve punishment are those who kill and beat their children in the name of the Lord. We all pay for our own mistakes, and the only one who has the right to judge us and to decide the punishment is GOD. The ones that beat their children up are just pretending to be God for their children. They think they can decide the punishment by their own. That's a big mistake, acting like you have the right to decide the punishment for a human being. Again, before it was your children, it was God's. You don't have the right to punish him, only your son's / daughter's first parent ( Our Lord ) has the right to do this. Don't make Him angry.

Christie 08-10-2014 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man (Post 1104966)
So to you the Bible pages containing Proverbs 13:24, Proverbs 23:13-14 and Proverbs 29:15 are to be used to wipe your behind? Why do YOU think God explicitly tells us to beat our children 3 times? Could it be to make sure even the biggest idiot cannot overlook it?

Since you are clearly too lazy to actually open your Bible

It doesn't say anything about TORTURING them. You should wake up! I'm too lazy to actually open the Bible? Man, I read 40 books and I'm not even 20. I know English though it's not my native language. Again, I'm not even 20. Don't tell me I'm too lazy to do things. I'm probably more wise than you may have been in your entire life, but let's pretend "I'm wrong". Torturing your children is something people did back in 1400. Now, if you torture your own child, you may be in prison. I do believe in God, but I don't think He wants anyone to be tortured. Go and read more books, maybe you'll find out in what century you are now. Or are you too lazy to do that?

Christie 08-10-2014 06:32 PM

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God also says you shouldn't throw with rocks in someone if you have no sin. We are all sinners, and we are all trying to get rid of them by praying. You are a sinner too, Cranky Old man. You have no right to torture other sinner. Is that thing for the Bible made to wipe you behind? :thumbdown:

Christie 08-10-2014 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1104976)
God also says you shouldn't throw with rocks in someone if you have no sin.

If you're a sinner *
My bad.

Mary Etheldreda 08-10-2014 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1104976)
God also says you shouldn't throw with rocks in someone if you have no sin. We are all sinners, and we are all trying to get rid of them by praying. You are a sinner too, Cranky Old man. You have no right to torture other sinner. Is that thing for the Bible made to wipe you behind? :thumbdown:

You're confused, dear. Jesus was speaking to a crowd of Jews (John 8:7), so obviously none of them were without sin.

Christie 08-10-2014 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda (Post 1104979)
Jesus was speaking to a crowd of Jews (John 8:7), so obviously none of them were without sin.

So are you. So is me. So is everyone in this entire world. Even some of the saints were sinners at first, but they got forgiveness, with a lot of work. Don't tell me you have no sin. Everyone has at least ONE.

Mary Etheldreda 08-10-2014 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1104981)
So are you.

You're a Jewess? I thought you loved God.

:huh:

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1104981)
So is me. So is everyone in this entire world.

Speaking to a crowd of Jews?

Are you quite sure?

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1104981)
Even some of the saints were sinners at first, but they got forgiveness, with a lot of work. Don't tell me you have no sin. Everyone has at least ONE.

Yes, everyone is born a sinner! And yes, many people have been forgiven! Praise Jesus!

But the work is not hard. It has been completed on the Cross (John 19:30). Those who have been forgiven are no longer led into temptation (1st John 5:18).

:)

Christie 08-10-2014 07:24 PM

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I love God. I'm Christian. I do make mistakes, as everyone does, that's the idea. You, also, make mistakes. You're human. Not everything you may do is right. You're not God, and you also are not Jesus to be perfect. Nobody is.

We are all the same. We make mistakes, we're sinners, we pray for forgiveness when we find out how wrong we were at some point in our lives. Nobody's perfect. The same rule is applied to children: they do make mistakes. We, the other sinners, have no right to punish them by TORTURING them. That's cruelty. No one deserves that.

Mary Etheldreda 08-10-2014 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1104985)
I love God. I'm Christian. I do make mistakes, as everyone does, that's the idea. You, also, make mistakes. You're human. Not everything you may do is right. You're not God, and you also are not Jesus to be perfect. Nobody is.

We are all the same. We make mistakes, we're sinners, we pray for forgiveness when we find out how wrong we were at some point in our lives. Nobody's perfect. The same rule is applied to children: they do make mistakes. We, the other sinners, have no right to punish them by TORTURING them. That's cruelty. No one deserves that.

I'll grant you, this is a nice idea (I think it would be nicer still to have created a world where sin was avoidable altogether, but that's neither her nor there), but it's not particularly accurate. You cannot support any of these fantasies with the Holy Word of God. These are your own personal beliefs, which are nice I agree, but not exactly relevant. After all, it will be to God to whom we must justify ourselves, not to each other. You might want to look into what God Himself actually thinks about this, dear. Here's a hint - read the Holy Bible to see what God Himself actually thinks.

Cranky Old Man 08-10-2014 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1104975)
You should wake up! I'm too lazy to actually open the Bible? Man, I read 40 books

No you didn't. Flipping through pages without understanding them is not reading. You didn't even understand Proverbs 23:13-14 even though I copied it for you over and over again. It's just 2 sentences! You show to the entire world you are not capable of reading 2 little sentences yet you expect them to believe you read 40 entire books. Stop lying please, your pathetic.

I am going to try this one more time. Please note it's only 2 (that's two) sentences: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell" (Proverbs 23:13-14).

And this is the word of God. If you disagree with it you will have to take it up with God instead of wasting the precious time of us Christians. And no, you are not a Christian. You don't even know what being a Christian means.

Christie 08-10-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man (Post 1104994)
No you didn't. Flipping through pages without understanding them is not reading. You didn't even understand Proverbs 23:13-14 even though I copied it for you over and over again. It's just 2 sentences! You show to the entire world you are not capable of reading 2 little sentences yet you expect them to believe you read 40 entire books. Stop lying please, your pathetic.
And this is the word of God. If you disagree with it you will have to take it up with God instead of wasting the precious time of us Christians. And no, you are not a Christian. You don't even know what being a Christian means.

Don't make me put a list of all the books ever read + the authors I know by heart. I'm a 9.5 student on a 10 scale. I don't flip pages. Reading is my passion. I am smarter than you may think, Old man. I understand your 2 damn sentences.
Also, I am a Christian. And I admit I'm not a perfect one. You don't. You think you're a perfect one, and you're arrogant by pretending you're a "True Christian". Let me tell you something: Most of the Christians you may not consider "true" because you're too selfish to look up from your Bible and see the world around you, are NOT torturing their children AND STILL live in piece with them. And guess what, I know most of these children are happy and honest and love God. I need to remind you, 'cause you're old and you probably can't remember a little thing like: There is nowhere written in your 2 SENTENCES that children have to be tortured. You wrote a guide about how they should be tortured as a punishment.

I don't know what being a christian is, you say? My name itself is Christie. I was born in a family where we all live in peace. If I do mistake, my parents TALK to me, and try to show me the right way, no matter how big my mistake is. As a reward they talk to me and not TORTURE me as you suggest, I listen to them . Children will appreciate more if you show the right way to them by talking than if you show them cruelty for what they have done. They are TRUE christians, not YOU, who are ONLY reading the Bible, but instead of helping people, you prepare them of how to torture their sons and daughters.

As I said, wake up! We're in another century. Now children are smarter and UNDERSTAND when you talk to them. No aggressivity required anymore.

Alphonse Alban 08-11-2014 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1104999)
I'm a 9.5 student on a 10 scale. I don't flip pages. Reading is my passion. I am smarter than you may think, Old man. I understand your 2 damn sentences.
Also, I am a Christian

Little vain, are you? Why is it that you have never actually read the Bible? Don't come up with more excuses, as it is obvious that you are not familiar with the Good book. Why do you keep up with lies about that you are a Christian, when you don't even know the basics of Christianity? It's people like you that give Christianity a bad name. :angry:

Christie 08-11-2014 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban (Post 1105039)
Why do you keep up with lies about that you are a Christian, when you don't even know the basics of Christianity? It's people like you that give Christianity a bad name. :angry:

Really? Well, how about you ask me some questions, if you're such a "good" Christian as you pretend?

What do you think about incestuous sex? And what do you think about letting your guests rape your daughter? ( If you have one, if not, just imagine you have a daughter ). Also, how about TORTURING your children when they make mistakes? ( and torturing is not beating someone up, it's much worse ). Also, what do you think about doctors or cancer kids? And what do you think about protected sex?

I'm asking for YOUR personal opinion. Don't quote the Bible in any of these questions. I want to know what a "True Christian" thinks about these subjects.

Christie 08-11-2014 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1105043)
Really? Well, how about you ask me some questions, if you're such a "good" Christian as you pretend?

Answer me some questions*

Dr Laurence Niles 08-11-2014 01:48 PM

Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children
 
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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1104972)
If you ask for an OPINION, then the hint ISN'T in any source you may give me, because it's my own personal OPINION.

WRONG!

This is what the Bible says about the gaywise.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men , leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind ,
1st Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1st Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind , for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1st Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.
Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matthew 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Now, I do hope you are not saying that the Bible is wrong because that would mean it is wrong about the Ressurection and Jesus' sacrifice for all who would following Him.

How can you claim to be a Christian when you do not follow the Bible?

Is your faith in the Righteousness and Justice of Jesus so weak that because YOU don't undertand why Jesus hates queers that you should do the exact opposite to what He says in the Bible, just because it upsets YOUR flawed morality?

Jesus is the final arbiter on what is Moral® and Just©, NOT YOU, young lady.

YIC

Cranky Old Man 08-11-2014 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1105043)
I'm asking for YOUR personal opinion.

Personal opinions are irrelevant. God created us to serve Him. He gave us the Holy Bible with clear instructions on how to do that. You prefer to ignore most of those instructions and you will burn in Hell for that. We follow those instructions and will go to Heaven. That's all there is to it. It's really all THAT simple.

So please stop boasting (a sin!) about reading many irrelevant books. Read the Holy Bible. REALLY read the Holy Bible. Read the entire book from cover to cover. All of it. And repeat that over and over until the day Jesus decides to kill you. That is how actual real Christians do it.

Christie 08-11-2014 03:26 PM

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Man, an opinion is an opinion. I have the right to freely think about some subjects. You asked FOR it. If my own personal opinion isn't the same with the Bible's, then I'm okay with it. God gave us free will for A REASON. He left us a Holy Book with lots of true stories, but it's up to us if we consider the behavior that's presented in there is good or not.


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