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Bobby-Joe 04-08-2010 04:06 PM

This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
Liberals have long criticized Freehold for it's Right To Smoke laws, about how we endanger people's health in our bars, restaurants, theaters, churches and nursing homes but this is about protecting Freedom. As Christians we have no time for paternalistic authorities telling us right and wrong, that is God's job.

Cato Unbound Explains.

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For as far back as memory reaches, people have been telling other people what’s good for them — and manipulating or forcing them to do it. But in recent years, a novel form of paternalism has emerged on the policy stage. Unlike the “old paternalism,” which sought to make people conform to religious or moralistic notions of goodness, the “new paternalism” seeks to make people better off by their own standards.
That is right; their standards. NOT God's

So the innocent smoker is picked upon, just because of a personal vice that occasionally gives other people fatal asthma attacks, Well if we start with limiting smoking were does it go?

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Sound paranoid? Anti-smoking regulations followed a similar path. Once upon a time, banning smoking on airplanes seemed like the reasonable middle ground. Now that’s the (relatively) laissez-faire position, smoking bans in bars and restaurants are the middle, and full-blown smoking bans have come to pass in some cities.
That is right; there is cities in this country were you aren't allowed to smoke! Were if you light one up jackboated thugs hall you away to FEMA camps never to be seen again. This should utterly disgust any Christian with their constant intrusion into what we can and can't do. It makes Jesus weep.

What's next wants they take the freedom to smoke away? They going to ban hedge fund derivative traders? Shadow bankers? Think tank hacks? Sure these thing all bad for you but these people have RIGHTS and RIGHTS are what American and Jesus are ABOUT!

As Withman points out here it is a short step from forcing cigarettes out of Americans mouths to forcing savings down Americans throats. How will this country be the Republic the Founding Fathers dreamed about when we aren't allowed to go into debt two to three times our net worth on the chance we might win the lottery some day?

We have rights in the this county and that means we have the right to blow our money in some complex stock scheme just as much as we have the right so smoke our self into throat cancer. So say "nyet" to socialism and keep your social safety net away from me, I want my cigarette.

Nobar King 04-08-2010 04:20 PM

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
Everyone is getting tired of the anti-smoke NAZIs telling me where I can and can't smoke. If you don't want to smell smoke in the produce aisle, then go to that over-priced organic farmer's market that you're always bragging about.

Rev. M. Rodimer 04-08-2010 04:30 PM

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
Even North Salem has no-smoking ordinances on the downtown sidewalks! The smokers in my congregation have to walk two entire blocks to get out of downtown to smoke, unless they want to stand in the parking lot!

And you know how much of a challenge such a hike is to a smoker. :(

Can you believe that North Salem has also passed an ordinance making it illegal to burn plastics in town? "Oh, the smoke is toxic," they whine. "It makes people sick, gives them cancer. Send that stuff to the recycling center instead of burning it. You're right next door to the grocery store and across from Jameson's outdoor cafe, for crying out loud!"

Makes people sick? Disturbs their dinner? Makes their produce smell funny?

What about my right to burn my garbage at the parsonage instead of PAYING the RECYCLING MAFIA for trash collection so they can make MORE money off my garbage by recycling it?

Bobby-Joe 04-08-2010 04:35 PM

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
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Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer (Post 501970)
Even North Salem has no-smoking ordinances on the downtown sidewalks! The smokers in my congregation have to walk two entire blocks to get out of downtown to smoke, unless they want to stand in the parking lot!

And you know how much of a challenge such a hike is to a smoker. :(

Can you believe that North Salem has also passed an ordinance making it illegal to burn plastics in town? "Oh, the smoke is toxic," they whine. "It makes people sick, gives them cancer. Send that stuff to the recycling center instead of burning it. You're right next door to the grocery store and across from Jameson's outdoor cafe, for crying out loud!"

Makes people sick? Disturbs their dinner? Makes their produce smell funny?

What about my right to burn my garbage at the parsonage?

I hear you Revered and AMEN!

It is the non smokers who have been suckered by the slick propaganda of the anti-tobacco lobby who are ruining it for all of us. Just because you don't like something some else is doing doesn't give you to the right to harass those people. Just look at us Christians; we do not go around judging people "evil", hounding them in the streets and passing laws to persecute them.

Rev. M. Rodimer 04-08-2010 05:45 PM

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
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Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe (Post 501975)
Just look at us Christians; we do not go around judging people "evil", hounding them in the streets and passing laws to persecute them.

Absolutely not, Brother!

We tell them what God thinks, we warn them of His impending Wrath, and we work toward a society which follows God's Laws instead of Man's! :yahoo:

Pastor Isaac Peters 04-08-2010 08:31 PM

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It's shocking, isn't it. The same people who want to give disease-ridden sodimites special privileges like not being felons for their deathstyle choice want to take away decent people's right to smoke. I praise Jesus that I no longer live in Virginia, where Governor Wilder once vetoed a bill to protect smokers against job discrimination.

Robert Jones 04-09-2010 08:14 PM

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Can smoking cause cancer?

Bobby-Joe 04-09-2010 08:17 PM

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
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Originally Posted by Latvija13 (Post 503162)
Can smoking cause cancer?

LOL, oh come on, are you trying to be funny. Everyone knows sin causes cancer. :rolleyes:

Nobar King 04-09-2010 08:22 PM

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
Everything causes cancer. You should know that by now. Even eating too much celery will kill you. Do you want the government to have control over what you put in your body?

Robert Jones 04-09-2010 08:25 PM

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
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Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe (Post 503163)
LOL, oh come on, are you trying to be funny. Everyone knows sin causes cancer. :rolleyes:

And does sin cause all sickness?

Levi Jones 04-09-2010 08:33 PM

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
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Originally Posted by Latvija13 (Post 503168)
And does sin cause all sickness?

Didn't we have this exact same conversation yesterday or did the LORD grant me a vision?

No visions for me. You went with this line yesterday.

H. Montague Worthington 04-09-2010 08:34 PM

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
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Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer (Post 501970)
Even North Salem has no-smoking ordinances on the downtown sidewalks! The smokers in my congregation have to walk two entire blocks to get out of downtown to smoke, unless they want to stand in the parking lot!

And you know how much of a challenge such a hike is to a smoker. :(

Can you believe that North Salem has also passed an ordinance making it illegal to burn plastics in town? "Oh, the smoke is toxic," they whine. "It makes people sick, gives them cancer. Send that stuff to the recycling center instead of burning it. You're right next door to the grocery store and across from Jameson's outdoor cafe, for crying out loud!"

Makes people sick? Disturbs their dinner? Makes their produce smell funny?

What about my right to burn my garbage at the parsonage instead of PAYING the RECYCLING MAFIA for trash collection so they can make MORE money off my garbage by recycling it?

You are OH so right, Reverend!!! This is one of the many reasons I hate liberals so much!!! If sissy liberals are too weak to stand up to a cloud of toxic chemical smoke, and break out coughing when they're 20 feet from second-hand cigarette smoke, then they're a burden on society.

When America's Armed Forces won World War II, what did you see dangling from every GI's mouth? That's right--- a cigarette!!! And not only did all of our men in uniform smoke like chimneys, they smoked UNFILTERED cigarettes like Chesterfield, Pall Mall, and Phillip Morris!! Our Godly Troops not only chain-smoked unfiltered cigarettes, they served as test subjects for nuclear fallout during the Cold War and were exposed to every manner of virulent venereal disease in the back alleys and brothels of Saigon.

But liberals don't care about America. In fact, they hate America and everything she stands for. They want to destroy America by coddling and sissifying our youth, thus making us vulnerable to a Muslim Terrorist invasion. They want to undermine and eventually DESTROY our health care system-- the Best Health Care System in the World®, by the way--- with their anti-smoking nanny state regulations and by banning toxic chemical incinerators in populated areas. They have no shame, no shame whatsoever!!

Robert Jones 04-09-2010 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Levi Jones (Post 503175)
Didn't we have this exact same conversation yesterday or did the LORD grant me a vision?

No visions for me. You went with this line yesterday.

These are completely different subjects. You stated yesterday that God uses spirits to create evil as God does not create evil Himself. This question is, are all sicknesses caused by Sin? I think you know what I'm getting at. For instance, if I have a child who's born with a disability, does that mean that I sinned or did the child sin?

Rev. M. Rodimer 04-09-2010 08:39 PM

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
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Originally Posted by Levi Jones (Post 503175)
Didn't we have this exact same conversation yesterday or did the LORD grant me a vision?

No visions for me. You went with this line yesterday.

God causes all sickness, either directly or indirectly; since He knows everything (including a sinner's sniffly nose) and is all-powerful (thus could end the sickness), it is God's Will that a sick person be sick.

The question is, WHY is God allowing the person to be ill?

Pastor Isaac Peters 04-09-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvija13 (Post 503168)
And does sin cause all sickness?

Not every case of sickness is the result of sin. Sometimes it's God's way of glorifying Himself:

John 9:1-3: And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

But for the most part it's sin:

Deut. 28:58-61: If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, [even] great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee. Also every sickness, and every plague, which [is] not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

Levi Jones 04-09-2010 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvija13 (Post 503180)
These are completely different subjects. You stated yesterday that God uses spirits to create evil as God does not create evil Himself.

I never said He didn't create evil. He clearly did as Isaiah 45:7 states.

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Originally Posted by Latvija13 (Post 503180)
This question is, are all sicknesses caused by Sin? I think you know what I'm getting at. For instance, if I have a child who's born with a disability, does that mean that I sinned or did the child sin?

I hope this clears it up.

Exodus 34:5,7
And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

John 9:1-3
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

James 5:15
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.

1 Corinthians 11:29-30
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Deuteronomy 28:58-61
If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

Robert Jones 04-09-2010 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters (Post 503184)
Not every case of sickness is the result of sin. Sometimes it's God's way of glorifying Himself:

John 9:1-3: And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

But for the most part it's sin:

Deut. 28:58-61: If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, [even] great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee. Also every sickness, and every plague, which [is] not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

These are wise and insightful words of wisdom. So God may choose to give someone who smokes cancer in order to glorify His mighty power, or He may also give someone who smokes cancer simply for being sinful? Or do you cast out every person from LBC who gets sick and who doesn't get well?

Bobby-Joe 04-09-2010 08:51 PM

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City
 
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Originally Posted by Latvija13 (Post 503180)
These are completely different subjects. You stated yesterday that God uses spirits to create evil as God does not create evil Himself. This question is, are all sicknesses caused by Sin? I think you know what I'm getting at. For instance, if I have a child who's born with a disability, does that mean that I sinned or did the child sin?

Both, you sinned and your child is going to sin. When the Lord is in a smiting mood He don't mess around. Just ask the people of Chile, New Orleans, Haiti, Bahia California and Indonesia about that. Our loving savior blows His stack at you, they are going to scrape you off the ground like a crushed maggot.

You see God is all knowing, so He knows when He creates someone that they are going to be sinning scum. Since God respects free will He doesn't just destroy that soul but pre-smites it with deformities and they damns it to Hell when it dies a short, miserable life. So quit blaming God for your problems sinner.

Robert Jones 04-09-2010 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe (Post 503193)
Both, you sinned and your child is going to sin. When the Lord is in a smiting mood He don't mess around. Just ask the people of Chile, New Orleans, Haiti, Bahia California and Indonesia about that. Our loving savior blows His stack at you, they are going to scrape you off the ground like a crushed maggot.

You see God is all knowing, so He knows when He creates someone that they are going to be sinning scum. Since God respects free will He doesn't just destroy that soul but pre-smites it with deformities and they damns it to Hell when it dies a short, miserable life. So quit blaming God for your problems sinner.

This is a good way to put it. If today, a tornado came and wiped out Freehold wiping out half of the population, would it be that half that were not True Christan's?

Cranky Old Man 04-09-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvija13 (Post 503201)
This is a good way to put it. If today, a tornado came and wiped out Freehold wiping out half of the population, would it be that half that were not True Christan's?

Freehold does not have a half that is not True Christian™. Also Freehold is protected by Jesus so it will never get hit by a tornado.


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