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napa valley nan 06-06-2011 11:12 PM
The Methodist CHURCH on-board for GAY MARRIAGE
 
Yes the breaking news of today, here http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2011/06/16828/

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Ban Or No Ban, Minnesota Methodist Ministers will Marry Gay Couples
Posted June 4th, 2011 by Evan Hurst

It’s nice seeing mainline denominations, at least some of their members, taking strong stands for love and equality, and shucking off old, disproven dogma: Same-sex marriage is illegal in Minnesota but 70 United Methodist clergy in the state have signed a statement saying they will marry gay couples.


“We joyfully affirm that we will offer the grace of the Church’s blessing to any prepared couple desiring Christian marriage,” reads the statement introduced this week at the 2011 Minnesota Annual Conference.


“We are convinced by the witness of others and are compelled by Spirit and conscience to act. We thank the many United Methodists who have already called for full equality and inclusion of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people in the life of the Church.”


Heck yeah. Paging Chad Holtz. Paging Chad Holtz.


[If you Christian readers out there aren't familiar with Chad, he is one of my two favorite Christians. I think he would appreciate that endorsement.]

Tags: Chad Holtz, Christianity, equality, marriage, marriage equality, Methodists, Minnesota
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1. There is a Methodist church near me that has a sign out front that says ‘Inclusive’ — I took this as code for ‘gay friendly’. Kudos to them for their progress.
Comment by Gary (NJ) — June 4, 2011 @ 11:34 am

2. Pssst, if anti-gay pressure groups NOM/MFC succeed in banning marriage equality, these ministers will be arrested and jailed. Pass the word…
Comment by Michael — June 4, 2011 @ 3:16 pm

3. I saw the Bat Light in the sky.
Yes, I do take that as a huge compliment :)
We also had 40+ retired bishops sign a petition for the General Conf. of 2012 to change our policy on gay inclusion. One of the signees was a prof of mine at Duke, Bishop Ken Carder.
Comment by Chad Holtz — June 4, 2011 @ 8:33 pm

4. Wonderful to see this. I applaud all the signees because as Michael mentions, if the ban passes, these men and women of God will be facing possible jail time. If it is happens, sad that they are not allowed to practice THEIR faith as they see it whilst haters are allowed to practice THEIRS.
Comment by Merlyn — June 5, 2011 @ 8:45 am
http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/o...rtner-sign.jpg

napa valley nan 06-06-2011 11:21 PM
Re: The Methodist CHURCH on-board for GAY MARRIAGE
 
Even the christian site's don't deny it happened: this is a true story http://www.christianpost.com/news/70...couples-50828/

Note the ministers or priests or whatever said, 'we REPENT it took us so long' Now we're talkin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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70 Methodist Clergy Agree to Wed Gay Couples
By Elena Garcia | Christian Post Reporter

Same-sex marriage is illegal in Minnesota but 70 United Methodist clergy in the state have signed a statement saying they will marry gay couples.

"We joyfully affirm that we will offer the grace of the Church’s blessing to any prepared couple desiring Christian marriage," reads the statement introduced this week at the 2011 Minnesota Annual Conference.


"We are convinced by the witness of others and are compelled by Spirit and conscience to act. We thank the many United Methodists who have already called for full equality and inclusion of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people in the life of the Church."

The Rev. Bruce Robbins, pastor of Hennepin Avenue United Methodist Church in Minneapolis, read the statement to clergy Wednesday during a time of personal privilege, the United Methodist News Service reported. By the end the day, 40 clergy members had signed the statement. As of Friday, the number of signers reached 70.

"We repent that it has taken us so long to act," continues the statement, entitled "Equality for All in Christian Marriage."

"We realize that our church’s discriminatory policies tarnish the witness of the Church to the world, and we are complicity. We value our covenant relationships and ask everyone to hold the divided community of the United Methodist Church in prayer."

The United Methodist Church holds that homosexual practice is incompatible with Christian teaching. The denomination affirmed its stance at its latest legislative meeting in 2008 despite calls by some to change the body’s constitution.

In 2009, UMC’s top court also ruled that clergy, active and retired, cannot perform same-sex marriages or civil unions. The ruling came after more than 80 retired clergy from northern California said they would conduct same-sex marriage ceremonies on behalf of clergy who cannot perform them.

Bishop Sally Dyck said that simply making a statement in support of same-sex unions did not break any denominational rules. But she indicated that officiating at a gay wedding would be a chargeable offense, according to UMNS.

Under the 2008 Book of Discipline, same-sex unions are not to be conducted by United Methodist ministers or in its churches. Clergy who are convicted of officiating a homosexual union would face revocation of conference membership or clergy credentials.

The voluntary statement was open to any United Methodist persons in the Minnesota Conference who conducts Christian marriages, and was not endorsed by the denomination's General Conference.




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Pastor Isaac Peters 06-07-2011 12:05 AM
Re: The Methodist CHURCH on-board for GAY MARRIAGE
 
So the Methodless are in apostasy from True Christianity™? Who'd ha' thunk it? :sarcasm:

napa valley nan 06-07-2011 12:12 AM
Re: The Methodist CHURCH on-board for GAY MARRIAGE
 
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Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters (Post 760866)
So the Methodless are in apostasy from True Christianity™? Who'd ha' thunk it? :sarcasm:
If you all got together you might stand a hold against Change but the churches are too spead out - mathematiclly impossible.

Unitarian -Methodist who else? Some Jewish, i think the new school ones. Add the Methodist to the list now. Did I hear lutheran? United Church of Canada i think? Its hard to keep upo with them all, may be easier to list the holdouts

Brother Enoch 06-07-2011 12:52 AM
Re: The Methodist CHURCH on-board for GAY MARRIAGE
 
Wow, what a surprise. Supposed 'churches' that have rejected the Bible in favor of perverted sickularism support fag depravity and the perversion of the Godly institution of marriage. Bestill my beating heart, I feel a spell of the vapors coming on!

*snore*

Those who have rejected Christ and the teachings of the Bible isn't anything new. Far from it. People have been begging to be sent to Hell since time immemorial. It is sad that so many people are embracing a lifestyle that damns them, but hey, it leaves more space for me and mine in Paradise! :thumbsup:

Brother Harold Porter 06-07-2011 01:01 AM
Re: The Methodist CHURCH on-board for GAY MARRIAGE
 
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Imagine that. Another pro-fag thread by the resident apologist for Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Disgusting.:angry:

napa valley nan 06-07-2011 02:25 AM
Re: The Methodist CHURCH on-board for GAY MARRIAGE
 
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Originally Posted by Brother Harold Porter (Post 760881)
Imagine that. Another pro-fag thread by the resident apologist for Sodom and Gomorrah.

Disgusting.:angry:
you should be glad i just stick to 1 topic cause dont even get me started on everythin I COULD say. I just stand up for my daughter an when the Hate Speech at her stops from flung I will 2. I will fight for her like a lioness fights to protect her cub its what any parent would do

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/o...ndcub-LOVE.jpg

Brother Enoch 06-07-2011 02:58 AM
Re: The Methodist CHURCH on-board for GAY MARRIAGE
 
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Originally Posted by napa valley nan (Post 760909)
you should be glad i just stick to 1 topic cause dont even get me started on everythin I COULD say. I just stand up for my daughter an when the Hate Speech at her stops from flung I will 2. I will fight for her like a lioness fights to protect her cub its what any parent would do
The reason we condemn her deathstyle choice isn't because we hate her. Far from it. We condemn her deathstyle choice because Jesus condemns it and will send all fags to Hell! We are trying to save her! It's you who are enabling her to continue on her inexorable journey to Hell.

What do you say to her? "Honey, you can be as depraved as you want, it's okay. I'll still love you.' And she is damning herself to Hell! Did you encourage her to stick forks into electrical outlets when she was a toddler too? Moron.

Faith_Machine 06-07-2011 06:15 AM
Re: The Methodist CHURCH on-board for GAY MARRIAGE
 
Oh, hey, wow, a bunch of "groovy" churches have decided to make things up as they go along and do things that make them feel all warm inside and cause everybody to praise them for how "with it" they are?

OK then, well that settles it. We should definitely "go with the flow" instead of obeying GOD'S WORD.


PS: Methodism = Bill Clinton's religion. 'Nuf said!

napa valley nan 06-14-2011 05:34 PM
Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's
 
i told you from first day here TIMES are CHANGING. Now it is the Cathlics that are opening the doors Yes maybe just a crack but the door is OPEN now with the younger people rising in places of decision, like this priest who will NOT shuit out the gays etc.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/06/13/priest_says_all_are_welcome_in_his_church/?s_campaign=8315

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http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/F...ider_globe.gif Priest says all are welcome in his church

Supports gays, lesbians after Mass was canceled

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonza..._1776/539w.jpg The Rev. John Unni delivered his homily yesterday while pacing the center aisle. (Pat Greenhouse/ Globe Staff)
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Sunday Mass at St. Cecilia’s Church in the Back Bay brought the first standing ovation any parishioner could remember.


During the first Mass since the Archdiocese of Boston canceled one planned for next weekend in support of St. Cecilia’s gay and lesbian churchgoers, the Rev. John J. Unni preached a fiery message of unconditional love and what he called “acceptance of all.’’


“You are welcome here, gay or straight, rich or poor, young or old, black or white,’’ Unni said as he paced up and down the center aisle. “Here, you all can say, ‘I can worship the God who made me as I am.’ ’’


Unni finished his homilies at the 9:30 a.m. and 11 a.m. Masses to thunderous applause.


After last Sunday’s bulletin advertised a June 19 evening Mass, themed “All Are Welcome’’ to celebrate Boston’s Gay Pride Month, the archdiocese canceled the service, saying it gave the “unintended impression’’ that St. Cecilia’s supported Gay Pride.


“This parish is a great example of people who are civil and exhibiting a real fellowship,’’ said Terrence C. Donilon, a spokesman for the archdiocese, in a phone interview yesterday. “But that doesn’t mean we can be put in a position where we look like we’re endorsing Gay Pride activities.’’


Unni, who has been at St. Cecilia’s for seven years, said the Mass has been postponed indefinitely. He said he will discuss the goals of the “All Are Welcome’’ Mass with the parish and address fears about the service or recent backlash.


St. Cecilia’s congregation has a large gay and lesbian population, many of whom arrived after the South End’s predominantly gay Jesuit Urban Center closed in 2007, parishioners said. Almost 200 members of St. Cecilia’s are now active in its Rainbow Ministry, which hosts events for members and supporters of the LGBT community.


Members of the Rainbow Ministry first suggested the Mass to Unni six to eight weeks ago, he said, and he told them yes, “not knowing what would happen,’’ he said.


Instead of the Mass, the Rainbow Ministry will hold a sidewalk prayer service next Sunday at 6 p.m., with readings and reflections from laypeople, said Richard Iandoli, vice chairman of the parish council.


Rainbow Ministry member Michael Skully expressed his frustrations with the archdiocese and said he “fully expected to be standing in front of locked doors’’ next Sunday.


But Donilon said the archdiocese has no objection to the service, especially if it isn’t held inside.


“This should not be about conflict,’’ Donilon said. “The teachings of the Catholic Church are set in stone, but that doesn’t stop us from loving people from different walks of life.’’


Some churchgoers speculated after the 9:30 a.m. Mass that Unni would be less outspoken at the 11 a.m. service, which Bishop Robert F. Hennessey attended as part of Confirmation Sunday. Instead, Unni gave a similarly strong homily, then addressed Hennessey directly.


“Like the bishop said, good love always requires sacrifice,’’ Unni said. “We are being called to do not what is easy, but what is holy.’’


At one point, he called the conservative bloggers who criticized the Mass “unbelievably hurtful’’ and said he was trying to “not just succumb to being told what to do.’’


“We are not this renegade, crazy, liberal church,’’ Unni said, to smiles and nods from the pews. “We’re just Christians trying to live the gospel.’’


Rainbow Ministry president John Kelly emphasized the importance of esprit de corps at the end of a week they said has made them question their allegiance to the Catholic Church. More than 200 gay and straight members of the congregation wore buttons that displayed a cross, a rainbow, and the phrase “All Are Welcome.’’


“I went straight to the table to pick one up,’’ said James Pyke, a parishioner from the South End. “I believe firmly in the teaching ‘Love your neighbor,’ and it’s important to support our sense of community here.’’

Some at yesterday’s Mass, like Dave Macaulay of Salem, said they had tried many churches before they felt welcome at St. Cecilia’s.


“It’s already hard to be a gay man in the Catholic Church,’’ said Macaulay, who wore his “All Are Welcome’’ button upside-down to protest the archdiocese’s decision. “But now, I’m told I’m not welcome?’’


Unni told the congregation he had had similar feelings of frustration and doubt since the archdiocese’s announcement Friday. He left the congregation with two reminders: Bless those who curse you, and turn the other cheek.


Laura J. Nelson can be reached at lnelson@globe.com. http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/F...y_end_icon.gif

John Creeser 06-14-2011 05:44 PM
Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's
 
Thanks for showing us more proof of what we knew all along; Catlicks are doomed to eternal suffering.

Shela Tansper 06-14-2011 05:45 PM
Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's
 
Introduction ?????

New Creation 06-14-2011 05:45 PM
Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's
 
Of course they do. They're lying, blasphemous, false Christians whose "church" and rituals are based on Babylonian paganism, not the Bible. What else do we expect from the same people known for raping children?

napa valley nan 06-14-2011 06:07 PM
Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's
 
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Originally Posted by Shela Tansper (Post 764831)
Introduction ?????
Hi Sheila...good to see another woman here. Yes its strange They only let me put thread in the Introductions FORum. Keeps it all Out of sight out of Mind but whatever. But they cant change historys tides the waters are risint too high now and also the Wind of Change

New Creation 06-14-2011 06:08 PM
Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's
 
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Originally Posted by napa valley nan (Post 764842)
Hi Sheila...good to see another woman here. Yes its strange They only let me put thread in the Introductions FORum. Keeps it all Out of sight out of Mind but whatever. But they cant change historys tides the waters are risint too high now and also the Wind of Change
I think you're mistaking us for Catholics... :huh:

napa valley nan 06-14-2011 06:16 PM
Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's
 
Well just so you know, Cathlics are most popular church in America (I think) and youre LOSING ground when they come out as pro- lesbians/gays/bi's Just so you know. Because they have what's called The Visibility
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http://dignityny.org/sites/default/f...R_final_20.jpg

napa valley nan 06-14-2011 06:25 PM
So there: Bankruptcy Court rules DOMA unconstitutional
 
Yes I will say it again "

Again this is the losing battle and witch side of history do you want to be on. When its getting to the place where U.S. Bankrucy Court is throwing out "Defense" or Marriage Act, then you know it is just a hoipping skipping jump over to the IRS and you cannot fight tax office
[quote]
The court’s conclusion:
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The court concludes that dismissal of the bankruptcy case will not advance any of the following
governmental interests:
● Encouraging responsible procreating and child-bearing (the Debtors have
no children, and even if they did, there is no basis in the evidence or
authorities to conclude that Debtors’ joint bankruptcy filing would affect
Debtors’ children (if any, later) differently from children in other “traditional”
joint bankruptcy cases);

● Defending or nurturing the institution of traditional heterosexual marriage
(the Debtors are already married to each other, and allowing them to
proceed jointly in this bankruptcy case cannot have the slightest
cognizable effect on anyone else’s marriage);

● Defending traditional notions of morality (the Debtors’ joint bankruptcy
filing is in no sense discernible to the court to be a validly challengeable
affront to morality, traditional or otherwise, under the Fifth Amendment); or

● Preserving scarce resources (no governmental resources are implicated
by the Debtors’ bankruptcy case different from the resources brought to
bear routinely in thousands upon thousands of joint bankruptcy cases filed
over the years).

I am no lawyer but it seems pretty clear,
I will say it again (not my words from the article): "

The Debtors have demonstrated that DOMA violates their equal protection rights afforded under the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, either under heightened scrutiny or under rational basis review. Debtors also have demonstrated that there is no valid governmental basis for DOMA.
In the end, the court finds that DOMA violates the equal protection rights of the Debtors as recognized under the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment. No one expressed the Debtors’ view as pertinent to this simple bankruptcy case more eloquently and profoundly than Justice William O. Douglas in the concluding paragraph of his opinion for the majority in Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486(1965):

“We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not in political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”

Upon consideration of the pleadings and all other materials filed in this case, and for good cause shown, the court finds that the Debtors satisfy every legal requirement to pursue their joint petition as filed pursuant to § 302(a). For the reasons stated herein and in the Debtors’ Opposition to the Motion and Debtors’ supporting authorities, the Motion to Dismiss Debtors’ chapter 13 case based on § 1307© is denied. "

Kristin Marlow 06-14-2011 06:32 PM
Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's
 
Find a story where an Independent-Fundamentalist-Conservative-Republican Baptist Church support homosexuality, then we'll talk. :lol: (The Rature will come looonnnnng before you find one:rofl: )

New Creation 06-14-2011 06:34 PM
Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's
 
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Originally Posted by Kristin Marlow (Post 764856)
Find a story where an Independent-Fundamentalist-Conservative-Republican Baptist Church support homosexuality, then we'll talk. :lol: (The Rature will come looonnnnng before you find one:rofl: )
And I'm sure after the Rapture she'll be much to busy fighting for her life to continue her research. :lol:

Kristin Marlow 06-14-2011 06:35 PM
Re: So there: Bankruptcy Court rules DOMA unconstitutional
 
I've never been good in the legal mumbo-jumbo. Could a True Christian© pastor explain this to me, please? :innocent:


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