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Marvel Comics Portrays God as Evil

If only we could get our national politicians to recognize the harm done by freedom of speech and the press. Everyone knows comic books are aimed at kids. Marvel is one of the biggest publishers.

Now Marvel is publishing a series with an evil God. The character is just like the God of the Bible but its motives are not good, like drowning sinners in the time of Noah, but evil. Let's work to put this Marvel Company out of business.

Marvel has issues with God (religionunplugged.com)

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Originally Posted by Johny Joe Hold (Post 1300815)

Now Marvel is publishing a series with an evil God. The character is just like the God of the Bible but its motives are not good, like drowning sinners in the time of Noah, but evil. Let's work to put this Marvel Company out of business.

Why do liberals all hate God so much? As the Bible tells us, God is love. He is our be benevolent Father who watches over us and keeps us safe and secure from the influence of evil. God is like Donald Trump, but in Heaven. God is a constant, positive, peaceful force in our lives.

The creative team at Marvel need to get their act together and focus on the joy and comfort that knowledge of the Lord brings to us Christians. If they don't, they're going to pay for their sins with Hellfire and torture and much wailing and gnashing of teeth. God will not be mocked!

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Marvel has issues with God (religionunplugged.com)

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“Thor: Love and Thunder” debuted in theaters July 8, 2022. Image via Marvel Studios. (ANALYSIS) The Marvel Cinematic Universe has a new big bad. And it’s God Himself. In the past 14 years of pop culture dominance, Marvel movies have typically gone out of their way to be secular, keeping their social commentary to the sociopolitical. But no more. Over the past year, most of the Marvel movies or shows released have had some version of God as the main villain. Since Marvel movies are arguably the most dominant pop culture franchise in the world today, exploring what they have to say about God tells us something about what our culture thinks about God and gives us the opportunity to explore and to challenge it. So what do Marvel movies say about God? God is evil The first thing about how Marvel consistently portrays God characters in their movies and shows, as I alluded to earlier, is that they are all beings that present themselves as good but are secretly awful — and usually evil. In “Loki,” the villain is He Who Remains, a supposedly all-powerful, all-knowing being whose primary goal is to keep order in time and space by making sure that all events go according to his cosmic plan and erasing anyone from existence who deviates from that plan. Then it’s exposed that he’s really a time traveler named Kang who kidnapped people and brainwashed them into joining his time cop force to enforce his preferred timeline. In “The Eternals,” The Celestials are immortal gods who created every living thing in the universe and say they created the angelic Eternals to protect the humans of Earth from demonic Deviants. In reality, they created the Eternals to help humans evolve so the humans could help the planet give birth to a new Celestial — destroying the Earth in the process. In “Moon Knight,” the prophet of the god Ammit is the main villain. Ammit wishes to return to Earth to kill everyone who will one day become evil before they have a chance to commit that evil. She’s opposed by Konshu, a god who abuses and manipulates Marc Spector/Steven Grant — two sides of a man with a split personality) into being his avatar in order to stop her. In the process, Konshu becomes nearly as brutal as Ammit until Marc and Steve stand up to him. In “Thor: Love and Thunder,” the villain is Gorr the God Butcher. He is a pious believer in his god before all his people are wiped out and his daughter dies of starvation while his god does nothing. When Gorr meets that god, the god laughs and tells him his life is meaningless. So Gorr kills him and goes on a quest to kill all the gods. When Thor tries to stop him, he tries to enlist the aid of other gods, who turn out to be self-absorbed hedonists who don’t care about stopping Gorr as long as they are safe. All of this should sound very familiar to anyone who grew up in a religious household who either walked away from the faith or knew people (or watched celebrities) walk away from the faith. There is a reason that young people are increasingly leaving religion: They were taught that God is good, loving, powerful, frowns on homosexuality, frowns on premairital sex and created them in six literal days. Then they suffered deeply, had sex, met gay people, were abused by the church, learned about evolution, learned their church’s oppressive and violent history and watched their fellow Christians behave likewise. They became convinced that the God they were taught about isn’t real or is more evil than good. This is a microcosm of how the West fell away from belief in God more generally. Generations of corruption in the church and the government gave way to the Protestant Reformation and religious wars, then increasingly disillusioned Enlightenment and existentialist thinkers tried to rebuild society on more secular grounds. In this way, the rage against god in our culture — including Marvel movies — is really a centuries-long rage against institutions that have let people down. Most Americans today are rapidly losing trust in our institutions. Plenty of Marvel movies reflect that, too, as many other villains are big businesses, the military, U.S. intelligence agencies and more societal structures. In many ways, the gods of the MCU are simply larger-than-life versions of those institutions we are all regularly disappointed and oppressed by. Kang, Zeus, Khonshu and the like are all priests, politicians, bureaucrats and father figures who rule over and lie to the people they serve about who they are in order to maintain their power. But the rage against God in these movies and our culture also goes deeper than simple rage against institutions. It becomes rage against existence itself. The Celestials of “The Eternals” don’t so much resemble institutions as they do the natural order of the world: the cycle of creation and destruction that will eventually wipe out the memory of everything that ever lived. Gorr’s rage against the gods is first a rage against his child’s suffering and eventual death. Rage against the unfairness of existence has long been a part of the human experience, but it has increased dramatically in its intensity. Carl Trueman’s “The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self” notes that in ancient times, people generally saw reality as good and justice as conforming one’s desires to reality; in the modern day, our desires are seen as good, and justice is to conform reality to our desires. The transgender debate is a good example. In previous ages, if your mind and body disagreed, your mind was wrong. Today, if your mind and body disagree, your body is wrong. This has dramatic implications for how Marvel — and our culture — conceives of morality. Traditionally, we see heroes who rebel against an evil authority as actually doing so in order to submit to a higher authority. Martin Luther King Jr. justified disobeying state laws by saying they were superseded by higher natural laws. For Marvel heroes, they might be disobeying their governments, but they do so in order to obey a higher principle, like the famous adage “with great power comes great responsibility.” But when all the highest authorities in the Marvel Universe are evil or amoral, where do you get your morality? Marvel answers through the law of subjective human caring and intuition. The Eternals defy the gods because they care about the humans they’ve built relationships with. Moon Knight tells the god Ammit that he won’t join him because it’s just obvious that killing babies is wrong. Thor helps Gorr realize that he doesn’t need to kill the gods because what he really wants is to love and be loved. These heroes have an internal morality that is based on their subjective values and yet that subjective and internal morality is portrayed as superior to the edicts given by the gods. What makes them heroes is when they follow that internal guide to defy their external authorities.

There were countless paragraphs after that but I think you can see where I stopped reading. I blame the heavy metal. How often at some goth or EMO event have we seen these creatures expressing their individuality by all looking the same? They luuuurrve Thor, and that other one whatever his name is. Clearly although God is not Thor, this alternative universe is presenting Him as such. Alternative lifestyles do not glorify God. Do they glorify Thor? Or Isis? Or Hanuman? The metal community think so and clearly something has gone wrong with their brains if, when looking at the world and seeing something different from that described by the latest guru,

GURU 1	GURU 2

they conclude that something's wrong with reality rather than with their brains. Reality has one very useful feature: reality is never wrong; for these pagan god alternative universe types, it's not a feature. It's a bug.

Marvil Comics Portrays God as Evil

Freedom of speech and the press is the only way to combat religionists like you lot who do more harm to the world than good. You should shut your bibles and open a good book or comic book. Talk to normal people. Stop shutting yourselves off from society.

Marvil Comics Portrays God as Evil

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Originally Posted by Thomas Agarwal (Post 1300889)

Welcome to our church, Thomas.

We here at Landover Baptist happen to be experts at weighing the importance of issues in our society. Whatever the benefits claimed for free speech by atheists and religions other than Baptist Christians they must be weighed against an eternity in fire for millions, make that billions, of people. It's a no brainer eternity is more important. That is why comic books whose purpose is to harm children by making light of God Almighty must be banned.

I hope this helps.

Marvil Comics Portrays God as Evil

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Originally Posted by Thomas Agarwal (Post 1300889)

We are all patriotic Americans here at Landover Baptist Church, and we believe strongly in freedom of speech. But free speech has limits--for example, you don't have the freedom to talk someone into committing arson.

Well, any speech that goes against God and His Commandments will doom the persons who accept it as true to eternal torture in the Lake of Fire in Hell. That is the ultimate act of arson, because it is both unendurable and unending. This is why blasphemy against God as presented in the King James Bible, 1611 version, cannot be protected speech.

Thankfully, with a solid conservative majority controlling the Supreme Court, anti-blasphemy laws will soon be declared constitutional. And then the only comic books that will be permitted will be Chick Tracts. GLORY!

Marvil Comics Portrays God as Evil

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Originally Posted by Thomas Agarwal (Post 1300889)

I see that you are Indian. Are you from the Choctaw Nation? Many years ago I made an impudent investment of $2000 of church funds into one of your casino machines. Can we talk about some form of restitution?

Phil

Marvil Comics Portrays God as Evil

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Originally Posted by Thomas Agarwal (Post 1300889)

Thank you for your contribution. I've thought about your comments but got bogged down at the bit where you didn't provide any examples. In order for you to have objections presumably you've read The Bible: it should be easy for you to highlight at least one objection.

Now as I'd hoped was clear in my post, comics are not attracting criticism due to my not having read any. Comic-themed events do attract goth EMO types and furries which I'm willing to accept as a costume tribute, under the circumstances. [Green Goblin, Fritz The Cat, Booga Mutant Kangaroo, Fluttershy Horse, Pluto (a dog) and so on.]

I have no wish to dress up as a cat myself but at a comic festival fancy dress is almost certain. They might look like furries and some of them may well be furries but generally after a costume party the attire is put away until next year. Or returned to the rental place. So that is understandable, in the same way that an opium eater¹ wishing to eat opium² is understandable even if one does not eat opium oneself.

This does not apply to goths. EMOs are EMO from their first waking moment every day, every week, every month, every year. (So are furries for that matter but this thread is about something else.) God is important enough for comics to produce divine characters, such as this Thor. Readers are attracted to the idea by gurus promoting Thor and I showed you one or two of those. Are you saying I did that because I didn't know Thor or Queen Pantera existed? The god is not real but those two characters are and serve as very effective gurus for cult members. If you think there's a better example of Thor guru, we'd be interested in that for education purposes. And education is what you seem to be proposing.

For comic readers however, the situation is a little different. This character may be the first representation of The Divine they ever see. Is it a positive experience? OP says, “No.” If you have reasons for your contrary opinion, here is where you'd post them. A link³ to the intro page is appended.

1. https://archive.org/details/confessionsofopi00dequ/mode/2up

2. It's right there in the name. Understanding what someone does is not the same as understanding why they do it.

3. https://www.landoverbaptist.net/forumdisplay.php?f=16
3. look for the new thread button.
3. https://www.landoverbaptist.net/imag.../newthread.gif

Marvil Comics Portrays God as Evil

Our new poster is from India. He should work to clean up comic books there. Sin crosses international boundaries in an eye lash of time:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...j-l3w&usqp=CAU

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That's disgusting. Like all pagan "gods," Shiva was one of the demons in Satan's army. At one point she went to ancient India and got some of the locals to start worshipping her so she could bring their souls back to her dark master. A similar demon is Thor, who Marvel depicts as a heroic character even though in the real world he's an evil entity in opposition to Christ.

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It never occurred to me that, from the perspective of the Athiest or Hindi, our beloved God might appear evil. All the things they cherish - cannibalism, sodomy, abortion, suicide - are abominations to Our Lord and punishable by an eternity in Hell. There is no relief ever, forever. It sounds so evil out of context :fear2::D

Fortunately the Bible is here to convince them they're wrong.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Anthony J. Toole (Post 1301310)

Fortunately the Bible is here to convince them they're wrong.

Guru Nanak and John Knox have more in common than at first appears.

Islamic claims never quite persuaded them to sign up. Hinduism was equally lacking, despite the flourishing spice trade bringing such doctrines to their notice. Sikhs and Presbyterians, despite certain errors, also have much in common. Astute in business, always happy to listen to what you have to say (and then sell you something) with an emphasis on new ideas enabling them to operate outside idolatrous creeds prevailing at the time. For various reasons, many Scots visited The Punjab and by now plenty of Sikhs have settled in Scotland. And therein lies a problem.

Although by reading The Bible the true nature of God's character may be discerned and errors overcome, any such reading runs up against a background radiation distilled from birth as Punjabi lullabies and whatever's taught in Dingwall Academy these days, masquerading as multicultural studies. The outcome has not been as you hoped. Take a look at this.

First they have to read The Bible but more importantly, second, they have to understand what they read. Under the background radiation of centuries of error (whether rejecting Rome or Mecca seems to make little difference here) the only correction seems to be an agreement to slough of what Truth they had and combine everything else!

The same thing now is happening with Odin and Woden, via the medium of comics, and Thor is just the tip of the iceberg. Soon it will be the whole camel.