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Brother Gonzalez 05-29-2019 07:24 PM

Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
The news this days talk about the persecution boys around the world are suffering because being boys.

It is what we call feminazism, the fascist regime that allow girls to simply accuse men of rape or abuse. And I am not talking of accusing evident monsters like the jew Harvey Weinstein, no. I am talking about regular people (white and Christian, adult men)


The last of this news comes from Ukistán, a place formerly known as the United Kingdom.


Here is the link:


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48366835


Quote:

"Rape the whole flat to teach them a lesson," one message read.


"Oh god. I would hate to be in the firing line if I had a vagina," said another.


Anna - not her real name - was scrolling through hundreds of sexually violent messages on a Facebook group chat.


To her horror, she and her female university friends were mentioned dozens of times.


The men writing the messages were - like Anna - studying humanities at Warwick University.


But they weren't just her coursemates. They were her close friends.


In the weeks that followed Anna's discovery of the chat, word spread across campus. What begun as a private "lads' chat" quickly escalated.


Anna and a female friend - one of those also targeted in the chat - complained to the university.


After an internal investigation, one student was expelled and given a lifetime campus ban, two were given 10-year bans and also expelled, and two more were excluded for a year.


But after two of the men had their 10-year bans reduced to 12 months, serious questions were raised about the university’s handling of its investigation.
I guess this is somehow a crime, the crime of talking like boys between boys. It reminds me of other locker room talks Donald had in the past, where he talked about grabbing by the pussy some girls. It is the same principle: grabbing, forcing, destroying the genitals of some females by brute force, either because they secretly want it, they deserve it, or they had it coming. Teaching a lesson.


What is remarkable of all of those conversations and arguments about this simple fact boys like to talk, is the absence of a profound, Biblical inspired reflection.


We should be looking for the following answers:


1) Are boys entitled to act as if women were of their property?


2) Is rape always ilegal in the eyes of God?






Are boys entitled to act as if women were of their property?



Short answer: yes


Bible answer:


1 Peter Chapter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;


Be in subjection, that is the key. And is NOT an isolated verse:


Ephesians Chapter 5


22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.


23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.


24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.





So what is the boys' crime so far: well, not asking for fathers permission. This brings the next question:


Is rape always ilegal in the eyes of God?


Short answer: NO


Biblical answer:


Deuteronomy Chapter 22


25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:


26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; [there is] in the damsel no sin [worthy] of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so [is] this matter:


27 For he found her in the field, [and] the betrothed damsel cried, and [there was] none to save her.

28 If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;


29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.



What if is a woman from your enemies?


Deuteronomy Chapter 21


10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,


11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;


12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;


13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.


14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.



Many paths are open from here:


a) If girls are Christian, and betrothed, and they cry but no one can help them: No sin from them, and the rapist shall be put to dead
b) If girls are Christian, and not betrothed, and they cry but no one can help them: No sin from them, and the rapist shall be married to them and pay the price in Shekels
c) If girls are Christian, betrothed or not, but they did not cry for help, then there is no crime, and they are to blame. They are sinners.
d) If girls are not Christian, boys are in their right. But they should have shaved them, and I don't see that happening.


So, as you can see, none of the IMPORTANT facts of the news are reported. Are the girls True Christians? What where they doing in an University if they were? Are boys Christian? Did they ask their fathers permission to talk that way?
In case a rape had happened, would they have shaved the girls? If they did not like them, would they have let them free, with no charge of money whatsoever?


It is very difficult to take sides when journalists are so lazy to report what is important for God.


From what I can see, the girls were trying to act like men, instead of trusting their fathers in finding a good, honorable man to get married. Boys are tempted, and expressing that temptation they forget to follow the Biblical rules for raping; is almost as if they rape out of rage and wanting power over women instead of raping as God says you should.


No path from here leads to a good society, a Biblical society. We need rapture for that, but that is no news for us.


PRAISE THE LORD AND PRAISE THE SECOND COMING!

Dana723 05-29-2019 08:01 PM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez (Post 1252474)
d) If girls are not Christian, boys are in their right. But they should have shaved them, and I don't see that happening.

I am confused about this line, Brother Gonzo. Should the boys shave the girls hair off? Or does that mean the girls should shave the boys beard off? :wacko:

Brother Gonzalez 05-29-2019 08:05 PM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dana723 (Post 1252481)
I am confused about this line, Brother Gonzo. Should the boys shave the girls hair off? Or does that mean the girls should shave the boys beard off? :wacko:

Read you Bible, sister. If you bring an enemy girl from war, and you want to lay with her, you have to shave her. And then rape her as you will.


I hope you father or husband can punish you accordingly for your trespassing here.

Joanna Lytton-Vasey 05-29-2019 08:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dana723 (Post 1252481)
I am confused about this line, Brother Gonzo. Should the boys shave the girls hair off? Or does that mean the girls should shave the boys beard off? :wacko:

I think technically the woman is responsible for shaving her own head:
Deuteronomy 21:12 - Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails


You can see the sense of making her pare her nails in those circumstances: some captive women can be quite difficult and exhibit poor behavior. But there is no mention of beards - or of shaving any other body parts, for that matter, Praise The Lord!

Brother Gonzalez 05-29-2019 09:05 PM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey (Post 1252483)
I think technically the woman is responsible for shaving her own head:
Deuteronomy 21:12 - Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails


You can see the sense of making her pare her nails in those circumstances: some captive women can be quite difficult and exhibit poor behavior. But there is no mention of beards - or of shaving any other body parts, for that matter, Praise The Lord!

Yeah, you go and make those feminazi university girls shave themselves. As long as they are shaved, you could force sex into them, in a Biblical context.


This only applies in countries with Biblical law, which are non existent nowadays. I was making an analogy and trying to bring some knowledge into this discussion. This is being interrupted by women being women. Who would have said?

Joanna Lytton-Vasey 05-29-2019 09:24 PM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez (Post 1252486)
Yeah, you go and make those feminazi university girls shave themselves. As long as they are shaved, you could force sex into them, in a Biblical context.
This only applies in countries with Biblical law, which are non existent nowadays. I was making an analogy and trying to bring some knowledge into this discussion. This is being interrupted by women being women. Who would have said?


Oh, absolutely Brother Gonz! I'd just always taken that verse to mean that the women should be forced to shave their own heads and was replying to What'sHerName's post on that basis. Obviously your analysis of the current very distressing situation - where women dress as men and shave their heads even without being forced to do so - and how True Christian™ men should deal with it, is quite another matter and very helpful indeed.


I do most sincerely apologize and ask your forgiveness for any misunderstanding on my part.


YiC
Joanna

Dana723 05-29-2019 11:17 PM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez (Post 1252482)
Read you Bible, sister. If you bring an enemy girl from war, and you want to lay with her, you have to shave her. And then rape her as you will.


I hope you father or husband can punish you accordingly for your trespassing here.

I apologize. I showed it to my husband who properly chastised me and made me read the book of Deuteronomy. Plus Sister Joanna's helpful insight helped.

James Hutchins 05-30-2019 12:22 AM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez (Post 1252482)
Read you Bible, sister. If you bring an enemy girl from war, and you want to lay with her, you have to shave her. And then rape her as you will.


I hope you father or husband can punish you accordingly for your trespassing here.

The Bible always stirs such memories. What with Memorial day, I think back to my time in country. Nam was a hellacious place, what with all the filthy whores and sideways genitalia.:o
We used to call it scalping. I was disgusted to have to follow all of the Bible but as a True Christian™ I always did and do as God almighty commands.:innocent:

WilliamJenningsBryan 05-30-2019 06:30 AM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
This is always a delicate subject, and let's face it - it is a man's responsibility to ensure a proper seeding in carrying out God's instructions (Genesis 9:7), otherwise there would be no Soldiers for Christ (much less the propagation of the human race) if it were left entirely up to women.

There are the finer points of when to think of Roman gladiators, or NASCAR races in the process - and these are subjects meant only for men (women know nothing about them). Occasionally these conversations get secretly recorded by unscrupulous individuals and "conveniently" released for political purposes - like they did to try and embarrass our Godly president. Fortunately Christian Americans were on to the trick and Trump went on to win the election.

MitzaLizalor 05-31-2019 02:01 PM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey (Post 1252488)
I'd just always taken that verse to mean that the women should be forced to shave their own heads and was replying to What'sHerName's post on that basis.

Deuteronomy 21:10-14
10a When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies
10b And the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands
10c And thou hast taken them captive
11a And seest among the captives a beautiful woman
11b And hast a desire unto her.
12a Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house
12b And she shall shave her head
12c And pare her nails.
13b And shall remain in thine house
13c And bewail her father and her mother a full month
13d And after that thou shalt go in unto her.
14a And it shall be if thou have no delight in her
14b Then thou shalt let her go
God understands about human relationships. The woman is not forced to oblige her new owner immediately but after shaving her head is kept indoors for a full month. God is clear that she can't go out during that time. But once she's got used to her new circumstances, it's party time. Let's say she gets sulky and fails to delight the brave warrior who rescued from the heathens. God understands that too, in His mercy, and she can be ejected.

Although her options would be somewhat restricted, the heathens having been wiped out, her previous owner deceased and with little prospect for marriage among God's Chosen People, she is allowed to choose. Plainly the option of rejoining the establishment she's been let go from is off the table and if she decides to go heathen again, well, God is very specific in that case.

Postmodern types will cast all this in the worst possible light but let's face it once they've rejected God's Perfect Love darkness is about all they've got left.

Sgoust2001 05-31-2019 02:27 PM

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Honestly anyone who thinks rape is ok, is evil as it is the work of the devil trying to tempt males to do rape so that they go to hell

MitzaLizalor 05-31-2019 03:02 PM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sgoust2001 (Post 1252556)
Honestly anyone who thinks rape is ok, is evil as it is the work of the devil trying to tempt males to do rape so that they go to hell

You have not posted any Scripture supporting your claim. Perhaps in your introduction you could link a verse giving the penalty, which is severe incidentally. It should be very easy to look up.

Brother Gonzalez 05-31-2019 03:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sgoust2001 (Post 1252556)
Honestly anyone who thinks rape is ok, is evil as it is the work of the devil trying to tempt males to do rape so that they go to hell

Rape is not ok. Rape commanded by God is ok if your country has Biblical law. I don't see where you can get confused.


Also important: God forbids rape, but commands women to avoid being sluts and getting raped. Being a slut and getting raped is punished by death:




Deuteronomy 22


23 If a damsel [that is] a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;


24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, [being] in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.





So the girls in the OP shall be put to death, if Biblical law was ruling the UK. And God would be happy. As usual, Britons are making God unhappy and baby Jesus is crying.

Joanna Lytton-Vasey 05-31-2019 03:43 PM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor (Post 1252554)
God understands about human relationships. The woman is not forced to oblige her new owner immediately but after shaving her head is kept indoors for a full month.

Well even I can see the point of that. Few women look their best with shaven heads (except those with that awful woolly frizz) and I can't imagine her new owner wanting to go anywhere near her until it had grown out a bit. Once again, God is very much on the side of the victor here. :thumbsup:

MitzaLizalor 06-01-2019 06:07 AM

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God is also concerned about promises. The Israelites had promised they would not be supplying wives to one of their tribes, the descendants of Benjamin. There had been some awkwardness resulting in that outcome so unless they started marrying pagan wives (who would have all sorts of inappropriate ideas) things didn't look too good for the Benjaminites. God, however, had also made a promise to Abraham, and to Isaac and Jacob, that their children would be blessed as His chosen people. Benjamin was one of those children. How likely was it that the promise would prove false for his descendants?


:star: Copy & paste star over❓in your reply


❓ 0% - God's promises are always true
❓ 50% - Two parties had to keep both sides of a bargain
❓ 8⅓% - One tribe saved from extinction is good enough
❓ 25% - Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob or Esau all qualify
❓ 100% - God doesn't care what happens to anyone
❓ 0% - There was never a promise to falsify


An extinct tribe would not be in accordance with prophecy however and not in accordance with God's plan. It's up to Him how the prophecy comes into reality regardless of opposition from so feeble a source as fallen humanity. The Istaelites were concerned however and brought their problem to God.



PHASE I – The Remedy
JUDGES 21
7-12
How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them of our daughters to wives? And they said, What one is there of the tribes of Israel that came not up to Mizpeh to the LORD? And, behold, there came none to the camp from Jabeshgilead to the assembly. For the people were numbered, and, behold, there were none of the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead there. And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.
Something of a success! The menfolk would have been in the way here and were killed. All the children were killed. The rest were sorted into two piles: corpses and virgins. There were only 400 virgins. That wasn't enough to satisfy the Benjaminites, causing something of a problem (in the minds of The Israelites) but not in the mind of God.



PHASE II – Compassion: and a Predicament

13-18
And the whole congregation sent some to speak to the children of Benjamin that were in the rock Rimmon, and to call peaceably unto them. And Benjamin came again at that time; and they gave them wives which they had saved alive of the women of Jabeshgilead: and yet so they sufficed them not. And the people repented them for Benjamin, because that the LORD had made a breach in the tribes of Israel. Then the elders of the congregation said, How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing the women are destroyed out of Benjamin? And they said, There must be an inheritance for them that be escaped of Benjamin, that a tribe be not destroyed out of Israel. Howbeit we may not give them wives of our daughters: for the children of Israel have sworn, saying, Cursed be he that giveth a wife to Benjamin.
Once again it looked like The Israelites would thwart God's plan and Benjamin would fade away. Four hundred seemed a woefully inadequate number to prevent miscegenation and heathens would soon be eyeing up singleton males for some strange of greater intensity (under the circumstances) than was available back home. And what Israelite woman would willingly hook up with that curse in place? This was turning into a real Cecil B. DeMille! God, however, had remembered something the others had forgotton. Could a resolution be to hand?



PHASE III – Finally: a Solution

19-23
Then they said, Behold, there is a feast of the LORD in Shiloh yearly in a place which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goeth up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south of Lebonah. Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; and see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin. And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty. And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them.
There's a certain type of person who'd condemn the way God's promise was sustained. Had this been done willingly or as a staged medieval re-enactment sort of thing, without killing all the babies, men, children, wives, concubines and tartles, without the lying in wait and pouncing, that curse would have been brought straight down. By relying on the prophecy from God a 100% level of certainty was guaranteed not only for Benjaminites but the rest of The Israelites too. When critics reject God's Perfect Love, substituting something else they've made up on their own account, they are rejecting that certainty too. The Bible is clear however that God is fully able to see His promise through.


Dr. Anthony J. Toole 06-01-2019 07:07 AM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey (Post 1252560)
Well even I can see the point of that. Few women look their best with shaven heads (except those with that awful woolly frizz) and I can't imagine her new owner wanting to go anywhere near her until it had grown out a bit. Once again, God is very much on the side of the victor here. :thumbsup:

Yes Sister, God does have a habit of picking the winners. You'd only have to read the Bible to see that! It certainly makes you wonder what motivates the naysayers and negative nellies who would deny His existence in the face of overwhelming evidence.

As regards shaving, I didn't manage to check my Bible yet but surely it would include body hair? I can't imagine Eve presenting herself in God's Paradise unshaved, top to bottom front to back like a true American woman.

BibleReader2231 06-01-2019 09:05 PM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
I want to ask about Ephesians 5:25. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

As long as the man loves whoever he is forcing himself into, it is okay yes? Back in biblical times I have a hard time finding evidence that marriage was made law in courts and such. If they aren’t married and the man forces himself onto her, they should get married as soon as possible yes? There’s no scripture saying that the female has to love the male that i can find other than to be a dutiful wife. This should invalidate the claims that whiny women are making in the news media right?

MitzaLizalor 06-02-2019 01:43 AM

Re: Boys will be boys - a reflection on locker room talks and the Bible
 
It varied according to whether she was in a rural or urban environment.

King Saul's daughter loved David before he was a king. You can read about that in I Samuel 18.


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