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Basilissa 03-15-2019 09:43 PM

Let us pray for the victims of the New Zealand shooting
 
Yes, I know what you all are thinking after reading the thread title: "Did Baz drink a whole bottle of Moscato again? Why would we waste our time praying for a bunch of hellbound heathens?!?"

Well, hear me out.

1. Our prayer will be the cheapest way to express our solidarity with people who were slaughtered in an unlawful mass murder. It is true that the Bible condones mass violence when appropriate (e.g., Deuteronomy 7:2, Deuteronomy 20:13-14, 16-18, 1 Samuel 15:3) however, it also teaches us that we need to follow secular laws (e.g., Titus 3:1, Hebrews 13:17-18, 1 Peter 2:13-14). What that gunman did was contrary to the New Zealand laws (I'm going on a limb here assuming New Zealand does have some laws prohibiting shooting in mosques, otherwise, I don't think their Prime Minister would have acted as surprised as she did), therefore, an injustice has happened, therefore, our prayer is the simplest way to address and alleviate the injustice.

2. Thanks to Pastor Bathfire's excellent essay on the quantum mechanics of prayer, we know that power of prayer can be retroactive, albeit in a rather oblique way. Let's cite the appropriate passage from the aforementioned essay:

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire (Post 1173825)
The Past Prayer II:

Prayers are nevertheless said for a past event, the outcome of which is not known:

“I pray that my wife has survived the hurricane that has just torn through the town which she was visiting.”

Like Schrödinger’s cat, before news reaches the praying husband, his wife is in a state of superposition – both alive and dead and remains so until, for the husband, the probability wave collapses. However, for those who know the state of the wife when the prayer is said* there is either no need to pray (she is alive) or no point (she is dead.)

Such a prayer is not really a prayer, it is simply a malformed request to God to let you know the outcome – which He does in the usual way – a telephone call from the police.

I hope this has helped.

* The probability wave has already collapsed for them.

Now, I have no idea who Schrödinger is and why we should care about his cat, but the point is, that prayer for the outcome of something that has already happened makes perfect sense. Hence, we can and should pray to God, that some of the shooting victims have repented right before their death, and accepted Jesus into their heathen Muslim hearts, thus being spared from an eternity in Hell.

Therefore, I ask again - please do join me in a prayer for the 49 victims of the New Zealand shooting. You'll feel much better about yourself, knowing that you did everything that was necessary to address suffering of fellow human beings. :thumbsup:

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At least 49 people were killed and more than 40 people are being treated for injuries after at least one shooter opened fire at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand on Friday, according to New Zealand police.
Two of those injured are in critical condition, one of which is a 4-year-old child who is being transported to Starship Hospital.
A 28-year-old man who was charged with murder is set to appear in Christchurch District Court, while two others remain in police custody. NBC’s Australian subsidiary, Channel 7, say police sources have named one of the suspects as Brenton Tarrant...
In a “manifesto” the gunman published online, he denounced immigrants and called them “invaders.” In the manifesto, the gunman praised Trump calling him “a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.”
“This is one of New Zealand’s darkest days,” said the country’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern. “Clearly what has happened here is an extraordinary and unprecedented act of violence.”
“It is clear that this can only be described as a terrorist attack,” the prime minister said, according to a transcript of her address. :link:

Joanna Lytton-Vasey 03-15-2019 10:28 PM

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This is an interesting prayer request, Sister. I have been considering this event, which apparently some people consider "unfortunate", in the context of Romans 13:1-2.

Now God tells us to obey the government. But whose government? I would assume one's own - otherwise soldiers would be obliged to observe an enemy country's laws in times of war. It seems that at least one of the shooters was from Australia. Does Austrian law have anything to say about shooting people in New Zealand? I suspect not - why would they even care? Also, he had a gun licence so he was okay with the New Zealand government.

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Originally Posted by Basilissa (Post 1247612)
Now, I have no idea who Schrödinger is and why we should care about his cat, but the point is, that prayer for the outcome of something that has already happened makes perfect sense. Hence, we can and should pray to God, that some of the shooting victims have repented right before their death, and accepted Jesus into their heathen Muslim hearts, thus being spared from an eternity in Hell.

I have no idea what cats (vile, demonic creatures!) have to do with it but, in the unlikely event that these so-called "victims" did repent, I am absolutely confident that God knows and will deal with them according to His Holy Will. I already feel perfectly good about myself, so you will forgive me if I don't join you in prayer on this occasion?

Bjorn Jensen 03-15-2019 11:09 PM

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The one thing I really wonder, seriously why would muslims want to live in a town called Christchurch?

Basilissa 03-15-2019 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey (Post 1247615)
Now God tells us to obey the government. But whose government? I would assume one's own - otherwise soldiers would be obliged to observe an enemy country's laws in times of war. It seems that at least one of the shooters was from Australia. Does Austrian law have anything to say about shooting people in New Zealand? I suspect not - why would they even care?

That is a good point, Sister.

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I already feel perfectly good about myself, so you will forgive me if I don't join you in prayer on this occasion?
As always, you are the perfect example of a humble, modest :true-fancy: lady, Sister! :wub:

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Originally Posted by Bjorn Jensen (Post 1247619)
The one thing I really wonder, seriously why would muslims want to live in a town called Christchurch?

That is an excellent question, Brother, and I do admit I was asking that myself.

Alan Swallows 03-16-2019 02:02 AM

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I went on vacation to New Zealand once. It's a beautiful place. I picked up a bit of the local lingo while I was there. I would just like to say: I would like to ixpress my sumpathies to the femilies of the vuctums. Es a Chrustian, I uniquvocally condimn thus unlawful ect. I hope end pray thet your grief wull lead to repintance (Sicond Corunthians 7:10) end you wull be deluvered from the clutches of Uslam unto the loving arms of Christ.

I must confess I am conflicted about the whole thing. Normally, I would capitalize on a situation like this by promoting the right to bear arms: If the victims had been armed, they could have fought off the gunman. But I'm not sure we want Muslims to bear arms. It is we who need protection from them. I think the main lesson God wants us to learn from this is that multiculturalism isn't working. It is destabilizing Western societies. It's time to stop mass immigration.

However I don't think the New Zealand government will see things this way. If you live Down Under, brace yourselves for the onslaught of "anti-racist" legislation to quell free speech and bring you into submission to your Muslim overlords. #notallwhitemen


Basilissa 03-16-2019 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Swallows (Post 1247624)
I picked up a bit of the local lingo while I was there. I would just like to say: I would like to ixpress my sumpathies to the femilies of the vuctums. Es a Chrustian, I uniquvocally condimn thus unlawful ect. I hope end pray thet your grief wull lead to repintance (Sicond Corunthians 7:10) end you wull be deluvered from the clutches of Uslam unto the loving arms of Christ.

Thank you for this observation, Brother Alan. I did notice this strange lingo when their Prime Minister was speaking, but I just assumed that she had some sort of a deformity in her mouth causing her to mispronounce words. If the whole population speaks the same way, the situation is even worse than I imagined!

We know that God hates people who have a lisp:

Judges 12:5-6
5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;
6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.

Now, if forty two thousand Ephraimites were slain for mispronouncing a single letter in a single word, can you imagine how much God must abhor New Zealanders for mispronouncing every single vowel in every single word?!? :fear2:

Alan Swallows 03-16-2019 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Basilissa (Post 1247632)
Thank you for this observation, Brother Alan. I did notice this strange lingo when their Prime Minister was speaking, but I just assumed that she had some sort of a deformity in her mouth causing her to mispronounce words. If the whole population speaks the same way, the situation is even worse than I imagined!

We know that God hates people who have a lisp:

Now, if forty two thousand Ephraimites were slain for mispronouncing a single letter in a single word, can you imagine how much God must abhor New Zealanders for mispronouncing every single vowel in every single word?

They are worse than the Austrians, Sister. When I first got there, I needed an interpreter, I couldn't understand a word they were saying. But once you understand the vowels, it's like a key to unlocking a secret code. I don't know why they can't speak clearly. Why don't they want outsiders to understand them? What are they up to?

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Originally Posted by Alan Swallows (Post 1247624)
I must confess I am conflicted about the whole thing. Normally, I would capitalize on a situation like this by promoting the right to bear arms: If the victims had been armed, they could have fought off the gunman. But I'm not sure we want Muslims to bear arms.

On the other hand...

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Multiple mosques were targeted during attacks in New Zealand on Friday, and an armed man reportedly fired back at the shooters in the Linwood area of Christchurch.

The New Zealand Herald reports that the local man with the gun fired on the shooters after they unleashed “multiple gunshots” on the mosque in Linwood. The armed man ran after the shooters, firing two shots at them with “a rifle or shotgun” as they undertook their escape.

DolliMoans 03-16-2019 06:49 AM

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TBH, I didn't even know anybody died until I saw this post. I don't see the hooplah over a few muzzlims, but here it goes. P-R-A-Y-I-N-G. :pray:

WilliamJenningsBryan 03-16-2019 08:03 AM

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As usual with the commie MSM, the fake news has devolved into finding a way to make all this the fault of Trump and the Republicans. We as True Christians™ know that we do not wish this tragedy on anyone unless they deserve it. Our desire is to see that everyone has a chance to find Jesus before they die, thus sparing them from spending an eternity in the Lake of Fire (aka Hell).

You might say that we are the true "Religion of Peace", and anyone with any common sense knows that there is something wrong with the mooselimbs when they value virgins over Jesus.

The suspected killer is definitely not a Republican as the nation that he most admires is the Peoples Republic of China. In some ways you do have to admire the commie chinks as they at least are trying to find a solution to their mooselimb "problem". They have recently rounded up millions of them into "camps" to try and "educate" them to be more "peaceful". It's possible they may be able to turn them into commie drone zombies and put them into factories assembling hot air fryers that we can all buy at Walmart - but I'm not holding my breath here.

Likewise, the "new" commie pope has outsourced the cathylick church in China to the commie chinks in hopes that they can do something about the homer problem, but we haven't heard much about homerism in China - which might be a good thing.

In the mean time, the suspected killer is not going to be getting the Nobel Peace prize anytime soon. In order of priorities, Obama needs to have his prize revoked before any more are awarded.


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New Zealand mosque shootings: Suspected killer is fascist who 'had contact with Breivik'
A hate-filled, rambling manifesto posted online presents a narcissistic man who moved to New Zealand but hates immigrants.
By Sanya Burgess, news reporter
Saturday 16 March 2019 06:16, UK

. . .
Tarrant also posted online a 74-page manifesto called The Great Replacement. Sky News has chosen not to publish it.

In it he says, among other things:

He was radicalised after reading about terror attacks in Europe.
. . .
He compares himself to Nelson Mandela and says he expects the Nobel Peace prize.
. . .
Tarrant then goes on to write about how he believes a white genocide is happening and cites terror attacks in Europe as the cause of his radicalisation.
. . .
On his political beliefs, he says he is pro-Brexit and admits to being a fascist, saying he feels an affinity with Oswald Mosley, the leader of the British Union of Fascists who died in 1980.
. . .
https://news.sky.com/story/new-zeala...eivik-11666136

BibleReader2231 03-16-2019 08:59 AM

Re: Let us pray for the victims of the New Zealand shooting
 
I’m sorry but I feel as my prayers on Muslim terrorists would be futile. Would it not be more appropriate to pray for law abiding gun owners in New Zealand?

Cranky Old Man 03-16-2019 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Basilissa (Post 1247612)
why we should care about his cat

We shouldn't. All cats are good for is target practice.

I will pray for the victims of the New Zealand shooting for extra hot fires in Hell!

Revelation 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Bjorn Jensen 03-16-2019 01:30 PM

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Whenever these islamic terrorists massacre innocent Christians, the left always says it has "nothing to do with islam" etc and "not all muslims".

But this lone wolf killer happened to be a white supremacist, and suddenly all white supremacists are crazy mass murderers? And it's the fault of white supremacy as a whole? Only a tiny percentage of white supremacists ever use violence, most of them are just peacefully expressing their opinions and beliefs on Stormfront and voting for President Trump without hurting anyone, ever!

#notallwhitesupremacists

Dr. Anthony J. Toole 03-16-2019 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Swallows (Post 1247624)
But I'm not sure we want Muslims to bear arms. It is we who need protection from them. I think the main lesson God wants us to learn from this is that multiculturalism isn't working. It is destabilizing Western societies. It's time to stop mass immigration.

Exactly my thought, Brother Alan. And not just us. The Austrian Senator Fraser Anning has also explained: “The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.” I look forward to hearing Trump speak up for the downtrodden white man in all of this mess.

Basilissa 03-16-2019 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamJenningsBryan (Post 1247639)
The suspected killer is definitely not a Republican

That is true. He does not support Trump's Godly Republican policies (that is, cutting taxes and increasing national debt), he just sees him as a "symbol of renewed white identity."

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Originally Posted by BibleReader2231 (Post 1247641)
I’m sorry but I feel as my prayers on Muslim terrorists would be futile. Would it not be more appropriate to pray for law abiding gun owners in New Zealand?

Well, see dear, in the good old times, Christians were able to force non-believers to accept Jesus, by giving them a choice of either converting or dying. Nowadays, we cannot afford to commit a genocide of particularly stubborn infidels, so praying for their hellbound souls is the second best option. :innocent:

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Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man (Post 1247642)
I will pray for the victims of the New Zealand shooting for extra hot fires in Hell!

Revelation 21:8

They do deserve it for not loving Jesus.

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Originally Posted by Bjorn Jensen (Post 1247643)
Whenever these islamic terrorists massacre innocent Christians, the left always says it has "nothing to do with islam" etc and "not all muslims".

But this lone wolf killer happened to be a white supremacist, and suddenly all white supremacists are crazy mass murderers? And it's the fault of white supremacy as a whole? Only a tiny percentage of white supremacists ever use violence, most of them are just peacefully expressing their opinions and beliefs on Stormfront and voting for President Trump without hurting anyone, ever!

#notallwhitesupremacists

That is our Godly President's point exactly! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Dr. Anthony J. Toole (Post 1247654)
Exactly my thought, Brother Alan. And not just us. The Austrian Senator Fraser Anning has also explained: “The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.”

Good point, Brother Toole. Nonetheless, I wonder, if someone has explained to Senator Anning, that white people in New Zealand and Australia are immigrants, too?

Joanna Lytton-Vasey 03-16-2019 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Basilissa (Post 1247655)
Good point, Brother Toole. Nonetheless, I wonder, if someone has explained to Senator Anning, that white people in New Zealand are immigrants, too?

Very true, Sister, as far as the current batch of white people are concerned. So are the Maoris. Even the Maoris themselves admit that there were people there when they arrived, although their legends claim that they were "spirits" or "fairies" (which I take to mean that they were pale skinned). I wonder if it is from this mysterious heritage that the people of New Zealand get their strangled vowels.

WilliamJenningsBryan 03-16-2019 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey (Post 1247657)
Very true, Sister, as far as the current batch of white people are concerned. So are the Maoris. Even the Maoris themselves admit that there were people there when they arrived, although their legends claim that they were "spirits" or "fairies" (which I take to mean that they were pale skinned). I wonder if it is from this mysterious heritage that the people of New Zealand get their strangled vowels.

The current batch of inhabitants sound awfully like Austrians to me, but I digress.

The Maori were definitely not the original inhabitants as recent research has uncovered. Indeed, there is some evidence to suggest that there were white Europeans there prior to them.

More than likely the Maori were a bunch of socialists that banded together to steal the wealth of the white people they found there then wholesale slaughtered the peace-loving original inhabitants of New Zealand.

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Proof of Pre Maori

MAORI RADIO CARBON DATING

Radio Carbon dating of early skeleton remains found in New Zealand proves there were people living in New Zealand long before the Maori. While these pre-Maori people have disappeared, there is evidence throughout New Zealand of their existence in their skeleton remains, dwellings, vegetables, plants, trees, animals and birds.
Further information can be found on www.celticnz.co.nz

DWELLINGS

There are many remains of stone buildings, dwellings, structures and archaeology sites located throughout New Zealand that shows there were people living in New Zealand long before the Maori. While many of these have been destroyed over the years and the Government has restricted areas where these stone structures and dwellings are located, Martin Doutré has researched and documented many of these, which can be found on www.celticnz.co.nz.

. . . .

https://onenzfoundation.co.nz/wordpr...-of-pre-maori/

Ezekiel Bathfire 03-16-2019 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Basilissa (Post 1247612)
... the point is, that prayer for the outcome of something that has already happened makes perfect sense. Hence, we can and should pray to God, that some of the shooting victims have repented right before their death, and accepted Jesus into their heathen Muslim hearts, thus being spared from an eternity in Hell.

I think prayer is far more powerful than that - you will recall the Gospel of John (John 11:1–44) in which Jesus brings Lazarus of Bethany back to life four days after his burial.

Prayers can be said either (i) to request God to prevent the massacre by turning back time (He can stop time, (Jos:10:12-13) so turning it back is no problem) or
(ii) to bring the dead back to life.
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Therefore, I ask again - please do join me in a prayer for the 49 victims of the New Zealand shooting. You'll feel much better about yourself, knowing that you did everything that was necessary to address suffering of fellow human beings. :thumbsup:
Indeed, but who knows? God might change His Perfect plan for "The Whole Universe Until The Eng of Time".

Mustafa Jihad2 03-19-2019 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Basilissa (Post 1247612)
Yes, I know what you all are thinking after reading the thread title: "Did Baz drink a whole bottle of Moscato again? Why would we waste our time praying for a bunch of hellbound heathens?!?"

Well, hear me out.

1. Our prayer will be the cheapest way to express our solidarity with people who were slaughtered in an unlawful mass murder. It is true that the Bible condones mass violence when appropriate (e.g., Deuteronomy 7:2, Deuteronomy 20:13-14, 16-18, 1 Samuel 15:3) however, it also teaches us that we need to follow secular laws (e.g., Titus 3:1, Hebrews 13:17-18, 1 Peter 2:13-14). What that gunman did was contrary to the New Zealand laws (I'm going on a limb here assuming New Zealand does have some laws prohibiting shooting in mosques, otherwise, I don't think their Prime Minister would have acted as surprised as she did), therefore, an injustice has happened, therefore, our prayer is the simplest way to address and alleviate the injustice.

2. Thanks to Pastor Bathfire's excellent essay on the quantum mechanics of prayer, we know that power of prayer can be retroactive, albeit in a rather oblique way. Let's cite the appropriate passage from the aforementioned essay:

Now, I have no idea who Schrödinger is and why we should care about his cat, but the point is, that prayer for the outcome of something that has already happened makes perfect sense. Hence, we can and should pray to God, that some of the shooting victims have repented right before their death, and accepted Jesus into their heathen Muslim hearts, thus being spared from an eternity in Hell.

Therefore, I ask again - please do join me in a prayer for the 49 victims of the New Zealand shooting. You'll feel much better about yourself, knowing that you did everything that was necessary to address suffering of fellow human beings. :thumbsup:

I would like to thank you very very much for your post. May God rearward you for this.

We can be here arguing and telling each other we are infidels, that we will go to hell, but at the end of the day we are all sons of Adam, followers of Abraham alaihi salam, and believers in the Lord of the Universe.

The atheists, the Jus, and Satan are all agaisnt us and they dont care if we are Muslim or True Christian they hate us for believing in God.

May God guide us all and protect us from terrorists of any faith or creed

Dennis Lukes 03-20-2019 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustafa Jihad2 (Post 1247767)
I would like to thank you very very much for your post. May God rearward you for this.

We can be here arguing and telling each other we are infidels, that we will go to hell, but at the end of the day we are all sons of Adam, followers of Abraham alaihi salam, and believers in the Lord of the Universe.

The atheists, the Jus, and Satan are all agaisnt us and they dont care if we are Muslim or True Christian they hate us for believing in God.

May God guide us all and protect us from terrorists of any faith or creed

And let's not forget that that Austrian boy, misled and sinful though his actions were, was only acting in self defense to protect his island from foreign invaders. The Muslims there were like Muslims everywhere, a fifth column of Sharia law Islamists disguising their true radicalism under the principle of Taqiya. If it was an act of "terror," it was not committed to sow terror; it was committed OUT OF terror at the Muslim menace.


Ultimately, the blame for this shooting rests firmly on your shoulders and those of your fellow devil-worshipping sand people infidels.

Dr. Anthony J. Toole 03-20-2019 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dennis Lukes (Post 1247781)
Ultimately, the blame for this shooting rests firmly on your shoulders and those of your fellow devil-worshipping sand people infidels.


Wait.... I thought the infidels were the good guys.


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