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Jim C. Lombardo 09-28-2014 04:06 AM

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)
 
While I can cosy up to the thought of squirting one into my daughter's baby-maker. I have difficulty reconciling the notion of marrying her after and committing polygamy.

Christie 09-28-2014 09:48 PM

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Hello Christie. I find your confidence in your view of God fascinating. Have you ever thought about creating your own religion? Because thousands of people before you have thought that they had the exclusivity on the correct view of God. Have you ever though what makes you so special, that your view of God would be the correct one, in contrast to all other prophets/founders of religions?



May I use an analogy? If you see a father (let's call him "Father A"), who doesn't give his children any directions to what is right and what is wrong, just sits back and relaxes watching as one of his children enslaves, tortures, and kills a sibling, would you call this father "caring?"

Now if we compare Father A with another father (let's call him "Father B"), who gives his children a specific set of directions of what is right and what is wrong, and who punishes the children who do not follow these directions, and rewards the children who do, would call this father "caring?"

News flash: the God you believe in is the first father. Personally, I would call him sadistic, not caring. The members of the Landover Baptist Church believe in God who is like the second father. You might think that some of His rules are harsh, but that's what caring fathers do - give their children clear rules to follow.



How do you know this, if you don't have a Scripture to follow? What makes you so special, how come you know what God wants, when millions of millions of people living since the beginning of humankind had millions of different ideas about the true nature of God?



So... are you admitting, that you have no idea what is God's true nature and what He really wants of us either?



So you really need millions of people to be tortured, enslaved, raped, burnt at the stake, starved to death, etc, etc, for the sole reason of "some people" learning their lessons?

Interesting. I don't think I like your view of God. He seems like a psychopath. He definitely isn't a person I would like to meet walking alone through a dark alley. He might want me to learn a lesson, to never walk alone through a dark alley again.



Wait, I'm confused. When do you think there will be "truth and justice?" Because there hasn't been justice on earth since the advent of agriculture, and there hasn't been truth on earth, well, since the people first started talking. I mean, even if you are the poster child of white privilege, I hope that you can see that not everybody was born with a silver spoon.



But the God you have imagined is the most cruel of them all!



Some scholars argue that this was the reason why religions were invented in the first place.



This is interesting. So you follow Plato's idealist view - somewhere out there there is an ideal religion, and all real religions are imperfect reflections of it. Based on what you said previously, somehow you have the exclusive access to the true religion, which allows you to see the true nature of God.

I'm not a psychologist, but I think you need to see one, urgently. I'm sure there are some pills which will be able to bring you back to reality.



Whether you believe the entire account of Jesus' life or not, the three synoptic Gospels - Matthew, Luke, and Mark - agree pretty closely in relation to what Jesus said. Therefore, there is little doubt that there was a historical Jesus, even if the events of his actual biography might be a bit sketchy.



No. If you reject the Bible and other sacred texts of other religions, the earth you walk on and the life you see is evidence of cold, cruel laws of evolution.

Let me be clear: All I'm writing here are MY beliefs. I don't pretend to know God in all it's senses. All you see here written by me is MY point of view. As you may have a view of God, I may have mine. But it there's something I'm sure of, is that the Bible is full of lies. Maybe at some point it has a bit of the truth, but the rest of it is just a lie made up because back then there was not so many sources of knowledge.

I find your analogy pretty interesting, but I feel something is missing. Father A is not a witness of torturing and killing only. He is also a witness to the good little things people do to help the others by THEMSELVES. No one told them to be kind, there are people who never read the Bible, but are ready to sacrifice their time to help the others. He is a witness of people learning to accept the other people, no matter if they're black, white, jewish, because sinners or not, we are ALL his creation and we are ALL related as siblings in His eyes. Father A also watches animals getting saved by people everyday, and animals saving people also. He is not standing there, entertaining the torture and kill some of us have to endure.

Now, talking about Father B... I have to say that I'd rather have a father who gives me no directions than giving me the cruelest ones. And much more, if I don't respect His cruel rules, I'm gong to burn in Hell for eternity. At least, someone who is murdered in the case of Father A will have his or her soul into God's arms and will never have to suffer again. In the case of Father B though, if you don't respect things like letting your daughter be raped & impregnating her by yourself, you're not a respectable human being and do not deserve a place in Heaven. Really, Father B is a really gruesome guy in my opinion.

I think I answered some of your questions while discussing the analogy, if you read carefully you'll find them.

I don't think the God I know is the cruelest of all. A God who accepts all His children, no matter what religion / orientation / color etc etc is not cruel. A God who tells you you're gonna burn in Hell for not 'killing' the other people that aren't like you is a cruel God.

You see evolution as a cold and damned thing. I see evolution as a way of God to relate us to His other creations, to make connections between us and the outside world.

Cranky Old Man 09-28-2014 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1112357)
But it there's something I'm sure of, is that the Bible is full of lies.

If this is true, then why do you think God allows this?

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Father A is not a witness of torturing and killing only. He is also a witness to the good little things people do to help the others by THEMSELVES. No one told them to be kind, there are people who never read the Bible, but are ready to sacrifice their time to help the others.
What you are saying here is that a father who does nothing (which is father A) might get lucky and have a decent child after all. That doesn't make him a good parent. Even you must be capable of figuring that out. Parenting is something that requires effort. Doing nothing is not proper parenting.

Dolores de Barriga 09-29-2014 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1112357)
Let me be clear: All I'm writing here are MY beliefs. I don't pretend to know God in all it's senses. All you see here written by me is MY point of view.

Unfortunately, your point of view has no evidence to support it. The God you believe in is not the God of the Bible; he is not the God of any sacred text of any religion that I'm aware of. Therefore, your God is merely a product of your imagination. Like an imaginary friend that you make up when you feel bullied by other kids in school.

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As you may have a view of God, I may have mine.
I have read enough about different religions to respect different views; unfortunately, these same studies have weakened my own faith, but that is something I hope to repair. However, the difference between you and, let's say, the !Kung people of the Kalahari desert, is that they have an oral tradition which reasserts them that their view of the supernatural is correct. You, on the other side, have nothing: no written text, no oral tradition.

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But it there's something I'm sure of, is that the Bible is full of lies.
Your intuition may or may not be correct, but I would need you to provide some actual evidence to support that claim. I mean, you wouldn't want me to follow what you say just because you say it is correct, right? :)

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Maybe at some point it has a bit of the truth, but the rest of it is just a lie made up because back then there was not so many sources of knowledge.
I think you underestimate ancient peoples. They had the same sources of knowledge as we have today: empirical experimentation. The scientific method was known basically since people first started using herbs for medicines.

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I find your analogy pretty interesting, but I feel something is missing. Father A is not a witness of torturing and killing only. He is also a witness to the good little things people do to help the others by THEMSELVES. No one told them to be kind, there are people who never read the Bible, but are ready to sacrifice their time to help the others.
The key word here is "little." I guess it must be easy to believe in a benevolent God as you do, when you spend your life in your happy gated community, where police doesn't shoot every black man because there are no black people, and where homeless people are not allowed to enter, and where you benefit from slavery and not suffer from it. Unfortunately, only a tiny percentage of humanity lives that luxurious life. Most people suffer in life, and see the world as it is: an ugly, unjust, cruel place. In this world - the cruel, unjust world in which 99% of humanity live - God of the Bible makes much more sense than the nice God that you imagine.

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He is a witness of people learning to accept the other people, no matter if they're black, white, jewish, because sinners or not, we are ALL his creation and we are ALL related as siblings in His eyes.
Well, maybe in your circles having "a black friend" is a great accomplishment for humanity, but actually, the world as a whole is not more just than it was during the Second World War. It is not more just than it was during the slave trade to the Americas. It is not more just than it was during the Black Plague. It is definitely less just than it was before the emergence of sedentary stratified societies.

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Father A also watches animals getting saved by people everyday,
And countless others being tortured by people everyday. Have you ever seen an ASPCA commercial?

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and animals saving people also.
He also created sharks, grizzly bears, and countless other predators that see humans as lunch.

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He is not standing there, entertaining the torture and kill some of us have to endure.
If He doesn't like it, then why does He allow it? And correction: it is not "some of us" but "a big chunk of humanity." Again, please try to understand that not all people on this earth were born with a silver spoon. Most of us actually have to work in order to survive. If you are unfamiliar with the verb "to work," you can check in a dictionary.

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Now, talking about Father B... I have to say that I'd rather have a father who gives me no directions than giving me the cruelest ones. And much more, if I don't respect His cruel rules, I'm gong to burn in Hell for eternity. At least, someone who is murdered in the case of Father A will have his or her soul into God's arms and will never have to suffer again.
Oh, come on, are you actually trying to shovel that crap into my mouth, thinking that you will convince me that it is caviar?

Please try to be logical: since your God doesn't give any rules to play the game of life, that means that there is no hell or heaven. No reward, no punishment. Otherwise, your God would be really unjust: I mean, can you imagine being eternally punished for loosing in a game which rules you don't know?

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In the case of Father B though, if you don't respect things like letting your daughter be raped & impregnating her by yourself, you're not a respectable human being and do not deserve a place in Heaven. Really, Father B is a really gruesome guy in my opinion.
Well, He is less unjust than a God who allows people to play a game of life without giving us the rules, and then punishing those who fail to follow these rules.

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I think I answered some of your questions while discussing the analogy, if you read carefully you'll find them.
Thank you for your kindness. I hope, though, that my answers will allow you to look beyond your sheltered, priviledged life, and see the world as it really is.

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I don't think the God I know is the cruelest of all. A God who accepts all His children,
Including serial killers? :wacko:

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no matter what religion /
Even though most religions say that all the others are wrong?

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orientation /
Even though most of the world's dominant religions see only one normal orientation, and define all others as deviant?

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color
Even though most of the religions of the world have been used to justify discrimination and exploitation?

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etc etc is not cruel. A God who tells you you're gonna burn in Hell for not 'killing' the other people that aren't like you is a cruel God.
And God who allows people to burn other people alive isn't a cruel God?

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You see evolution as a cold and damned thing. I see evolution as a way of God to relate us to His other creations, to make connections between us and the outside world.
Please learn what evolution means before you make statements about evolution. Major mechanisms of evolution include natural selection and mutation. The first is commonly known as "survival of the fittest," and while it is an oversimplification, it does include the notion that the weak ones die off early. Mutation, on the other hand, is a completely random process, in which most mutations are useless, a small percentage is actually useful for something, and an equally small percentage causes the individual to get very sick and die early. The worst mutants die off in the first week after conception - yes, women miscarry much more often than they realize.

Why God would use such a slow, cruel and inefficient - from an all-powerful being's point of view - way of creating life, is beyond the scope of my understanding.

Basilissa 09-29-2014 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1112357)
I don't think the God I know is the cruelest of all. A God who accepts all His children, no matter what religion / orientation / color etc etc is not cruel. A God who tells you you're gonna burn in Hell for not 'killing' the other people that aren't like you is a cruel God.

If your God is tolerant towards all religions, why aren't you tolerant towards our beliefs?

Jim Farmer 09-29-2014 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1112357)
Let me be clear: All I'm writing here are MY beliefs. I don't pretend to know God in all it's senses. All you see here written by me is MY point of view. As you may have a view of God, I may have mine. But it there's something I'm sure of, is that the Bible is full of lies. Maybe at some point it has a bit of the truth, but the rest of it is just a lie made up because back then there was not so many sources of knowledge.

So if you don't believe the word of the Bible, how can you justify your belief in God - any version of God?

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1112357)
I don't think the God I know is the cruelest of all. A God who accepts all His children, no matter what religion / orientation / color etc etc is not cruel. A God who tells you you're gonna burn in Hell for not 'killing' the other people that aren't like you is a cruel God.

You clearly don't know God at all. The Bible is the word of God. Any other version of God is purely a figment of your imagination. Wake up girl! You either believe in God and His word, or you are an atheist bound to spend eternity in Hell. There is no half way. God doesn't accept half way. Which way are you going to turn?

Redeemed Papist 09-29-2014 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Christie (Post 1112357)
Let me be clear: All I'm writing here are MY beliefs. I don't pretend to know God in all it's senses. All you see here written by me is MY point of view.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Proverbs 28:25,26
25He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat.

26He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
And you're going to burn in Hell for doing that.

1John3:8 06-20-2015 05:45 PM

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Lot existed before the Law of Moses manifested on Earth and before Christ manifested on Earth, so Christ will forever be the example we Judeo-Christians strive to be like. The word Christian means "little Christ," "Christ one," and "like-Christ." Christ means Messiah which means Anointed One. Luke 13:24 uses the Greek word "agonizomai." This word means agonize, work hard, and/or strive. The Hebrew word "nefesh (nephesh)" means animal soul found in the blood under the flesh (basar) produced by the bones. Human beings are part animal and part spiritual. The Law of God tells us the standard of perfection. 613 mitzvot (laws) exist in Judaism. God Christ Jesus died on the tree at Calvary and shed blood for all so that we can live for eternity. This perfect shed blood of the lamb who was slain fulfilled Holy God's perfect desire for judgment. Holy God's resurrection of God Christ Jesus fulfilled Holy God's desire for mercy. Now in the New Testament era our desire needs to be all about Jesus our Way, Truth and Life (John 14:6)! My Christian brother, let us please leave pre-Mosaic facts alone and move forward with TRUTH. In no way let us accuse each other of anything for only Jesus the Lord of the Living and the dead can judge us (Matthew 12:36-37; Romans 14:4-9), and the accuser of the brethren is to be cast down (Revelation 12:10). I feel as if we need to be more concerned with the hybrid human agenda GOOGLE advocates and the many videos on transhumanist nanotechnoloy found all over YOUTUBE. The thoughts and desires of our heart (Psalm 37:4; Proverbs 23:7) NEED to be on destroying the works of SATAN (1 John 3:8)! Amen. The spiritual programming tactics in this link http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...ol2/part10.htm are carnal weapons of SATAN (2 Corinthians 10:3-5)! I think the Hasidic Ashkenazi Jews and the Rothschilds along with the Builderbergs will seek to create modern golems and soulless "hybrid" humans for evil spirits conjured out of HELL to possess through kabbalah mind-control http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...m/mobile/false. It NEEDS to be stopped. Amen.

Nobar King 06-20-2015 06:16 PM

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hybrid human agenda GOOGLE advocates and the many videos on transhumanist nanotechnoloy found all over YOUTUBE
I have seen those videos and I worry too

YoungSubmissive 10-03-2017 02:09 PM

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Obama worshipers have been busy for years and years now, destroying our once proud American Christian family values. One of the unfounded myths they have been spreading is that you are not allowed to impregnate your own daughter.

This is of course utter nonsense. The Holy Bible is very clear about impregnating your own daughter being fully allowed!

Lot was a just and righteous man. (2nd Peter 2:7-8) He was the only man that God saved from the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Genesis 19:15) So clearly Lot is the kind of man we should all aspire to be. In Genesis 19:32-36 we can read that Lot impregnated both his virgin daughters. The Bible raises no objections against this. Both had male children who were identified as progenitors of the Moab and Ammon people.

Not all forms of "incest", as hippies like to call it, are allowed though. A mother having sex with her son is, of course, punishable by death (Leviticus 20:11). Just the thought of this is enough to make me puke! :icon8: Having sex with your daughter in law is not allowed either (Leviticus 20:12) as is having sex with both a mother and her daughter (Leviticus 20:14). But clearly there are no objections whatsoever to having sex with your own daughter. Why else, in a perfect Bible, would God give a long list of people forbidden to have sex with and exclude daughters!

There are some mistranslated versions of the Bible where Leviticus 18:6 is twisted into forbidding sex with relatives. Effectively forbidding you to impregnate even your own wife. Fortunately the only true version of God's word, the King James 1611, has no such objections. It just mentions you should not undress your daughter, simply a matter of commanding her to undress herself instead.

is the cranky old man right?

Cranky Old Man 10-03-2017 02:14 PM

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is the cranky old man right?

Yes.

YoungSubmissive 10-03-2017 02:24 PM

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Yes.

I'm sorry for asking, I should have assumed. I'm new here, new to this religion

Jim C. Lombardo 10-03-2017 07:56 PM

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I'm sorry for asking, I should have assumed. I'm new here, new to this religion


Don't worry young Padawan, we will break into you in no time flat. ;)

Dutchsmartie 07-29-2019 12:46 AM

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Idiot

Dana723 07-29-2019 03:11 AM

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Idiot

Do you have Biblical proof to back up that claim?

Dutchsmartie 07-29-2019 03:28 AM

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Do you have Biblical proof to back up that claim?

Bible doesn't promote it

James Hutchins 07-31-2019 02:25 PM

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I am just a simple country True Christian™. If, by the Grace of God©, a daughter of mine is with child, it means I will be a grandfather. If a grand-daughter has a child, I am a Great Grandfather. Gifts from Jesus and proof of my unquestioning faith in Him.

I am taken aback and somewhat offended that people do not simply celebrate the Glory Of Life®.

Way too much questioning going on about where man came from (God, if anyone wants to know). If people would simply stop all this silly speculation and read the KJV Holy Bible, they would discover all questions deserving of an answer have been answered and are right there in black in white.

mrgrtt123 08-02-2019 05:15 AM

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That is crazy and absolutely illegal. :rebuke:

James Hutchins 08-02-2019 03:06 PM

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That is crazy and absolutely illegal. :rebuke:

Did you eat shellfish?

WWJDnow 03-11-2021 09:00 PM

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)
 
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Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man (Post 727856)
Having sex with your daughter in law is not allowed either (Leviticus 20:12) as is having sex with both a mother and her daughter (Leviticus 20:14).

I have often wondered whether Leviticus 20:14 applies if you have sex with the mother and daughter separately or whether it has to be at the same time. This is very important, because the punishment is burning everyone to death.

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. Leviticus 20:14

We could use more Biblical justice like this to weed out the wickedness among us today.


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