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Default Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? - 02-17-2023, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve66 View Post
The Bible mentions war in various passages, particularly in the Old Testament.
You included several references, which I read, but there's a couple you seem to have overlooked.

Firstly, II Peter 1:20 where God explains about interpretation of Scripture in terms diametrically opposed to your suggestion that individuals and societies should interpret these teachings in the context of their own beliefs. But not all societies hold that "these teachings" (by which I take it you mean The Bible) are reliable or even true in the least degree. Nevertheless, although they hold that there's nothing historical in The New Testament, they could still read it and apply some of its principles in their daily lives. The real problem arises when a society (or an individual) believes the teachings in The Bible are harmful and that they have an obligation to eradicate its institutions, the teachings themselves and all the source material from the world forever. Like smallpox. So with that in mind your last sentence becomes:
Code:
Ultimately, it is up to individuals and societies to
interpret & apply these teachings in the context
of their own belief that these teachings must be
destroyed.

Secondly, Luke 22:36 records Jesus requiring His followers to go armed. In fact it's more important to carry a weapon than to have a coat. This is one of the last commandments from Jesus before He was crucified. How do you reconcile this with your other comments?

Thirdly, Luke 14:26 addresses hate. Jesus lists several categories of persons whom Christians must hate. Sometimes we get comments to the effect of "HATE" in this case being a special magic sort of hate and NOT ordinary old garden variety hate at all. There are a number of problems with that. Primarily, if that were so, why did the author not use a different word? Additionally, if words can have special magic or esoteric meanings, how am I supposed to know which meaning to take from any particular word?

TWO EXAMPLES

Obadiah 1:4Titus 3:10-11
Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle,
and though thou set thy nest among the stars,
thence will I bring thee down,
saith the LORD.
A man that is an heretick after the first and
second admonition reject; knowing that he
that is such is subverted, and sinneth,
being condemned of himself.
Old Testament
New Testament


By applying the special "magic words" hypothesis, in which words have esoteric meanings different from what they usually mean, we can go through either Testament and get them to say whatever we like. Obadiah is a good example. Here are the magic word meanings:

Exalt - this really means abase
Eagle - this really means centipede
Nest - this really means helicopter
Stars - this really means $50,000,000
‘Bring thee down’ - this really means ‘pay unto thee the aforementioned sum’
LORD - this really means Airbus helicopter solutions

And yes, for $50m you'd get quite a nice helicopter so it's internally consistent and all you have to do is act like a centipede. Moving on to Titus we might think, in our foolishness, that the passage is about heresy. But it's not ordinary old heresy, it's really special magic heresy better signified by the following substitutions:

Heretick - this really means fermenter of cactus juice
Admonition - this really means quart
Subverted - this really means having hallucinations
Sinneth - this really means made a good batch this week
Condemned of himself - this really means completely off his onion

As you will see, interpreting Scripture in accordance with one's own beliefs leads to activities God in fact disapproves of, just as He disapproves of societies' particular belief systems and circumstances in the vast majority of cases. How do we know that? Because it's right there in The Bible written in words anyone can understand. If you could address God's remarks on interpretation of Scripture carrying weapons and hate – that would be great. Thanks.
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