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Default Re: Gravity is only a theory. Study intelligent falling or intelligent pulling. - 02-27-2017, 09:31 PM

I'm going to quickly preface this by saying I'm not trolling. I'm probably going to end up banned anyways, but I'm simply here to try to clear up misconceptions and inaccuracies that have been amplified by a lack of intelligent criticism. I'm here for intellectual discussion.


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Much like the Theory of Evolution, Heliocentric Theory and the Theory of Microbial Disease, gravity continues to be a best guess (what we evangelicals call a theory) of scientists.
Actually, a theory is not a guess at all. You're thinking of a hypothesis, which none of the ideas you list are. Theories are scientific ideas backed by mountains of proof, and have stood against all opposition, and been proven fact. Think of a theory as fact.


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But is gravity actually a natural process? Or is there another alternative to science?

There isn't really an "alternative" to science. You can propose a new idea, and if it can be proven, it will replace the previous idea. For instance, if you proved "intelligent falling," and it had more evidence than gravity, the scientific community would wholeheartedly accept intelligent falling, and begin teaching that.


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But if gravity is a fact, they need to answer a few questions first.

Okay, shoot.
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What is gravity? How does it work?
Is it some particle or a wave?

Gravity is sort of a disturbance in space, wherein an object displaces space around it. For an analogy, imagine a sheet of cloth. Now poke a pencil through the cloth. The cloth will bunch up around the pencil and apply pressure to it. The bigger the pencil, the more cloth it displaces, and the more pressure built up. That's why more dense objects have more gravity.


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Why can't scientists find its source?

It's source? Everything with mass. There isn't anything controlling it, it's just a thing that happens.


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How fast does it go?

This depends on the density of the object. Earth, for example, has a gravity of 9.8 m/s^2. The moon has a gravity of 1.622 m/s^2


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If our universe is supposedly expanding and it's all due to gravity, surely they can tell us at what speed it moves at.

A quick google search tells me that the universe is expanding at a rate of about 68 km/s.




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And why does the universe expand due to gravity? Shouldn't it be shrinking if objects with mass are attracted to one another?

This is coming towards the edge of scientific knowledge, and I'm happy you want to know. The universe is expanding due to something called "dark matter," of which not much is known. We know it exists, because of Fritz Zwicky's work and NASA's experiments.


Basically, we're not really sure right now.


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What is it about mass that causes it to exist? Why is there no gravity without mass? If this whole universe was a topsy turvy series of randomness, why doesn't gravity suddenly appear from nowhere?

Again, I'm happy you're asking these questions. These are questions on the cutting edge of science, that we're only just now beginning to answer. I'd recommend reading on the Higgs Boson. This stuff is really complex and difficult to understand, but it's fun to see the mysteries of the universe revealed

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To make up for this stunning lack of answers to these important questions, the Einsteinian gravatationalist

There's no such thing as an Einsteinian gravatationalist.


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will drone on and on about curvatures and ripples in the space-time continuum.

Yeah this stuff is really hard to understand, and a lot of it is unknown. There's just not enough data at the moment to come to any satisfying conclusions.


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They'll trot out various "proofs" put forth by various scientists, many of which were not Christians.

So if they're not Christians, their studies cannot be trusted?


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They'll even talk about made up terms like gravitrons. gravitomagnetism and precess.

These aren't made-up terms, they're phenomena that scientists observe, but require a bloody PhD to understand, because they're rooted in high-level math.


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All they are trying to do is to talk over your head, with scientific lingo to hide the fact that they don't have the answers.

No. The scientific lingo is hard to understand, but that's because they're words we don't hear on an everyday basis. And if science doesn't have the answers, they'll usually tell you. Science still has no idea why the universe started, or why it abides by certain laws and principles. And while God can be an explanation, it is still only a hypothesis, and science requires more than faith to prove something exists.






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If they cannot explain every single facet of gravity mathematically and if we cannot observe its effect to the furthest reaches of outer space (of which we only know about 5% of), then shouldn't we be looking for answers elsewhere?

Well, gravity has been explained, and what portions of it hasn't is being researched as we speak. Scientific breakthroughs are made every day, and any hypotheses put forth will be tested. If they don't hold up to scientific experimentation, they won't be accepted.

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If that wasn't devastating enough, these so called scientists (1 Timothy 6:20) can't prove that it is not intelligent pulling that keeps you on the ground, satellites in orbit and spacecraft in flight, making gravity a theory in crisis.

Can't prove that it's not intelligent pulling? How do you propose that's even possible? How can you prove that it's not the cast of Harry Potter using alien brain waves? Claims must be substantiated with proof in order to be accepted.


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How very interesting. Invisible strings could be holding everything up.

That's not what string theory is. They're not literal strings that hold things up.


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But what are these strings made of? The newest hypotheses suggest they are made out of The God Particle. But what is the God Particle?
The Higgs boson or Higgs particle is an elementary particle in the Standard Model of Particle physics.
Ah, yes. The very mysterious Higgs boson. Quantum Mechanics is some of the most complex science we know of. I'm not even going to try to explain it because even I don't really understand it, and I've done some studying.



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In other words, no one really knows what it is or what controls it.

Well, no. A lot of scientists know what it is, and study it. I don't know, but I'm just a layman on a computer. Also, nothing "controls" it. It's a natural phenomenon.


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If they don't know, would be it reasonable to assert a higher power is in control of it all?

If you can prove this higher power exists and has a direct relationship with it, maybe.


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Since we don't understand the exact mechanism for gravity, I think everyone would have to agree that it is possible that the invisible strings theory is the correct one.

We're still not sure.

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Because the Bible already predicts this miracle of our very existence!
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
Isaiah 43:13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
Again, the Bible and True Science are in harmony with one another.

Yeah, see, I get this a lot. I have bad news though, and I'm a bit afraid to say this here, but the Bible isn't really proof. I mean, I respect your religious beliefs and I'll fight to the death to defend your right to have them, but when it comes to science, the Bible doesn't really hold water. But I'm not really going to address this because I'm probably going to get banned.

[QUOTE=Levi Jones;1161895]Now these are highly experienced faith fallers. I don't want you to practice on anything higher than 12" off the ground.


Well the only picture that loaded for me was the gif of the guy completely static in the air and waving his arms. This is obviously just a photoshopped picture that probably wasn't even made for the facebook page. This is actually impossible, no matter how much you believe in God.


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Because you probably don't have enough faith to do this. And that is not God's fault. The fault completely lies with you, if you don't float off the ground.

Yeah but that's kind of a no-no in logical thinking. You can't just say that I can't fly because of an invisible entity that hasn't been proven to exist is not allowing me to fly. Care to post a video of you flying? How about you get a group of "faith fallers" to demonstrate their impossible feat to the scientific community? You would definitely revolutionize science as we know it.

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Also, we know intelligent pulling is real because how else could two objects one heavier and one lighter fall at the exact same time? It makes sense that the heavier one would fall faster. It is clearly because God or His angels are pulling the objects to the ground at the same rate.

No, this is because gravity pulls on objects at a constant speed (for earth, 9.8 m/s). The earth also pulls on the moon, sun, you, your computer, and Jupiter at 9.8 m/s. The force of this pull, however, differs. The equation to calculate the force of gravity is Force = mass * acceleration. For me, the force of earth's gravity would be 675.6708 N, because I weight 152 lbs (convert to kilograms), and the acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s on earth.

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It's time for our public schools to allow students to have an alternative theory to the lies of secular scientists 1 Timothy 6:20 and let them decide for themselves. Do they want to believe in gravity, which science says is true or do they want to believe their Christian minister?


Well, the thing with science is, you don't have two different choices. Whatever is proven, is taught. If you can prove that it is God, then gravity will be thrown out in favor of teaching the Bible. I'm not kidding, if you can prove that God exists to the scientific community, science would adjust to include the Bible, and everything that entails.
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