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Default Re: Which religion has the best proof? - 09-27-2019, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Romeo Rovagnati View Post
Of course Catholicism………
Catholicism was not on the list.
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Look at this image………
Why has that man put jam on his eyes?
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………tell me this isn't how God shows how much he loves the people in the Church.
This isn't how God shows how much he loves the people in HIS Church. As for the churches of Saturn or Batibat, I have no idea how they'd be shown love.

Stigmata are supposed to be rather specific and I'm not going to link any "catholic education" sources but the gist of what they contained when I checked before posting is that the wound marks conform to the wounds of Jesus (as opposed to pathological lesions which would emerge at random on the body) bringing me to our second point. Any manifestation of anything from God will necessarily be in harmony with the revealed manifestation of Scripture. At no stage did Jesus have His eyes removed. The picture shows someone obsessing over an idol and since idols are a visual representation, it serves to suggest that ogling idols may result in blasting of the eyes. And what idol could be more blasphemous than a dead Jesus idol?

Sometimes people cite The Bible to support heresy. When written in Latin which very few could read for themselves it was easy for criminals to perpetrate their fraud by telling everyone else that God's message was whatever they wanted it to be and to say that's what the Latin meant. The same would apply to Hebrew text once no-one spoke Hebrew any more. Opinion has no place here; in either case the context provides everything necessary for our understanding.



. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .PETER
II Peter 3:14-16
Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things..
What things? Simple: just read the previous verses II Peter 3:1-13 where it's explicit that Peter
is discussing melting of the elements with fervent heat. He includes incineration of the earth by
fire leading to perdition of ungodly men. These are the things they're looking for. Not stigmata.
Peter continues:
..be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.




. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PAUL
Galatians 6:17
From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.
Is this what Paul had written according to the wisdom given unto him? Well, yes in the sense
that everything written by Paul falls under that category and surely if any apostle had started
spouting blood it would be remarkable enough to warrant a mention but in this chapter, Paul
is denouncing persons desiring to make a fair shew in the flesh. Rubbing jam in your eyes for
display purposes is as wide of the mark as genital mutilation.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

To the Galatians written from Rome.
You will recall that Paul was flogged on several occasions prior to his arrival in Rome. The emphasis here however is on becoming a new creature in Christ, regardless of one's physical condition, which is spelled out right there in the chapter. To suggest any other interpretation is to ignore context so much as to be disingenuous. God is always consistent.



. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .MARY
Luke 1:26b, 27-35a
The angel Gabriel was sent from God..to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee
Mary accepted what God was going to do to her. Not because she saw lesions arise on her arm or boils break out upon her feet, not because of any physical condition (although after her visit to Zacharias and Elisabeth a physical condition did emerge) but because of the ministry of The Holy Ghost. Absolutely consistent with God's message in The Epistles and with Mary's own assessment of her condition.

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