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Default Re: The Christian guide to TORTURING your children - 10-04-2014, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jemima
"Yes you need to torture your children before the great green candle monster gets them"
Well obviously Jemima had been reading Alfred Jarry, not a recommended source for any Christian. And a good example of where your children can end up if the discipline explicitly spelled out BY GOD in The Bible is neglected. Discipline involving injury. God explains:

Proverbs 20:30 The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.
God is clear that the wound, and its having turned blue, are the result of discipline. God uses the word chastening. Merely using the hand is not sufficient to cause such a benefit and because God loves us He makes sure that we understand.
Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
What age group is God talking about here?
Proverbs 23:13-15 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
KJV .. context . cf. Hebrews 12


Nothing about green candles. That comes from Jarry, depraved Frenchman.

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The green candle makes numerous appearances and is even described in a later play. Brimstone is involved. But what of Jarry? An irredeemable alcoholic messed up on chloroform and ether he died young, hating Jesus but choosing to mock Him nevertheless by calling a priest for last rites.

It says here although he hated christianity, he felt compelled to seek God on his deathbed. A nihilist, he declared: "We won't have destroyed anything unless we destroy the ruins too"…Jarry had taste for absinthe, he lived in a bizarre apartment where each store had been cut horizontally in half to make double the original number of floors…In 1926 [André] Gide wrote: "Everything in Jarry, that strange humbug, smelled of affectation – his face whited with flour, his mechanical speech without intonation, the syllables evenly spaced, and the words made up or distorted." so obviously demon possessed.

And on opium. This is the origin of the green candle. It is the very antithesis of disctpline.

God knew that and in His love had Jesus whipped for me, although I didn't deserve that gift, whipped raw. Otherwise there could be no remission of sins. It is the injury that is important. That is what grievous means. BLACK'S
Isaiah 53:4-5 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
I PETER 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
KJV .. Isaiah 53 .. I Peter 2

The information concerning injuries required for discipline to be effective in The New Testament all post-date Jesus' suffering, inflicted on Him by a loving Father because He loves us too. People who flaunt their hatred for Jesus by declaring His Clear Commandment on this subject to constitute torture—people like Alfred Jarry or the Jemima—have nothing in common woth The Bible. If they say they do, they are lying (or haven't read The Bible).

I hope that is helpful.

Last edited by Elmer G. White; 10-04-2014 at 12:30 PM. Reason: Fixed quote.
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