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Originally Posted by PeterCrackhead
Malthus a minister in the Church of England
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Of course an Anglican would get things wrong. Doesn't mean that anyone who debunks him is automatically right about everything.
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created the Malthus Trap where as food production and wages grew so did population thus creating an equilibrium between growth of the population and the levels food production that maintain poverty.
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He didn't create this condition, he merely described it. An accurate description of life before the productivity growth of the industrial revolution - in particular in the anarchist stone age, when infanticide was the best solution to the Malthus Trap their anarchist systems were capable of organizing (Malthus suggested delayed marriage).
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Marx, denied that claim and instead argued that Malthus’ trap was instead a function of wage labor exploitation in the capitalist economy.
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Which means that all Capitalist countries would be in a Malthusian state right now. Yet for decades the only peacetime famines we've seen are in communist North Korea.
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Furthermore it also benefited the capitalist to keep is his/her employees at this subsistence living level so they couldn’t afford to step out of line.
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Micheal Jordan is a physical laborer with earnings of $1,850,000,000. Granted it's skilled labor: he's really good at playing basketball, and pretending to like products in commercials. But if Marx were correct, he would be "
at this subsistence living level".
(He's technically a capitalist because he owns one car dealership and a restaurant or two, but he didn't get his billion dollars from that).
If Air Jordan isn't typically proletariat enough, here's some other "
subsistence wages" for you:
Elevator Installer and Repairer
Median annual salary: $78,890
Electrical and Electronics Repairers, Powerhouse, Substation and Relay
Median annual salary: $78,410
Commercial Pilot
Median annual salary: $78,740
Air Traffic Controller
Median annual salary: $124,540
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His argument is a straw man.
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A straw man is an unrealistic caricature - if I accused Communists of polluting because they thought pollution smells good, that would be a strawman. Instead I simply pointed out that communists are huge polluters, and you've failed to answer that. Just like you failed to answer
when I pointed out the stone-age anarchists drove so many species to extinction.
Are you accusing me of changing the subject? You, who answers everything with a whataboutism, are all about staying on topic now? So did you come to this thread to talk about lifeguards, or what?
Anyway, I can always just move this to a new thread where we debate the communist record on the environment, and then we're back on topic, or maybe the topic is back on us.