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Default Re: Love? God wants us to FEAR Him! - 12-23-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pim Pendergast View Post
There are two common atheist misconceptions about love:

1) Fear cancels out love.

2) Love cannot be compelled.

Both are false. The Bible says love cancels out fear.

1 Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

It does not say fear cancels out love. As God's children we should love and fear our Heavenly Father just as we loved and feared our earthly fathers. Good fathers never spare the rod (Prov 23:14), and neither does God.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Now to the second misconception. Love can be compelled. God has commanded us to love Him.

Deut 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Wouldn't it be a bit silly for God to command us to love Him if commanding us to love Him meant we could never really love Him?
Thank you for that encouragement Mr Pendergast. A left-wing type of "christian" said to me the other day "o but God doesn't want us to be frightened of Him" in other words, I thought to myself, this pretender is telling me that God promoted some other sort of fear. A special magic fear.

I get so confused when they start mincing words like that. Magic is witchcraft and witchcraft is satanic. Nothing God does is "magic" and nothing He asked us to do is magic either. And in the passage you quoted God's command is clear. The type of fear is described clearly in I John, it is the type of fear associated with torment. When King David forgot that and relaxed his standard of fear to accommodate a pouncing hussy who, unsurprisingly, immediately pounced a demonstration of torment was provided.
II Samuel 11:2-4a And it came to pass in an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked upon the roof of the king's house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon. And David sent and enquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite? And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her
27c…But the thing that David had done displeased the LORD.
KJV
Not only had that trollop manipulated David into her arms but she'd hypnotised him to zap her husband as well. Hypnotism is also satanic so we have no doubt who is operating here.

God sent Nathan. David listened.
II Samuel 12:1a And the LORD sent Nathan unto David..
13-14 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die..
15b…And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
KJV
David was going to get a lesson he would never forget. Hallelujah!



The Torment Component of Fear
Let's see what The Bible says:
16-17 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth. And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.
KJV
There he lay in the dirt. Not eating. Imagine the plight of that child, begnawed by plague so intense as to consume him utterly. Imagine what that would feel like. Perhaps the extremeties would fail first, the toes, the fingers. Remember that this is active plague, not some gradual wasting, and that each bit to succumb was alive. Quite soon even the child's blasted heart would fail: "quite soon" means after a week. So whatever this is it is not leprosy which works slower with numbness. This is the Hand Of God. God continues:
18a, 20, 24a And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died…Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat…And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her:
KJV
Although God forgave David, it was still necessary to torment the child to death. For a full week. Satan didn't care about that when he got Bathsheba on the go and he still doesn't care as a visit to the ICU at any children's hospital will confirm. So the torment mentioned in I John 4 as a part of fear is real torment, the fear is real fear. That is why God commands us to Love Him and sure enough, right there in The Bible, we have the proof. That love accepts fear. Real fear.
24b…and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the LORD loved him.
KJV
Real love.
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