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Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man
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God does not want you to masturbate:
Genesis 38:9-10 "And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also."
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Earlier in the thread there was a reference to Genesis chapter 38. I noticed the word "
also" which I've highlighted. The background is that Judah had three sons named Er, Onan and Shelah.
Judah decided to obtain a wife for Er (the eldest) so went out and got Tamar, after which things went downhill noticeably. God was paying attention and saw Er being revolting so killed him on the spot. Details are not provided mercifully but it doesn't take much imagination does it. Wishing to do the right thing, Judah reassigned Onan (the middle son) to Tamar and here I'd like to consider something for a moment.
¶ Er was old enough to be married and presumably capable of siring progeny. Otherwise why would Judah have put himself out to acquire Tamar? Clearly she knew what was expected and even though Er was a fiend. Zap! .he was the only son to have attempted this deed. If in fact he had. Which is doubtful. When Onan was sent in, the prospect was not to his liking. God was watching. God was not amused. God killed him. Now the youngest son had not reached adolescence and Er had just been given his first wife so it seems likely that Onan was around the age of the youth under discussion here, for whom a remedy is sought.
Judah (the boys' father) knew there'd be a delay before Tamar could be transferred to Shelah (the youngest and now only surviving son) but saw a pattern and identified a risk. What did he do? Got rid of Tamar.
Genesis 38:11 Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.
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Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man
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Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
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It's pretty obvious that whatever went wrong with Er and Onan was (in their father's estimation) likely afflict Shelah too. He says so! Were either of them looking on this Tamar to lust after her? Evidently not. Could it be something other than female humans that's being fixated upon here? In these days of intersectionality and
399 genders at last count a corugender tree or even the implement of discipline itself could very well turn the tables, given the heathen influence all around as was certainly the case for Onan and Er. Their father after all had gotten them with a Canaanite woman.
Genesis 38:2-3a And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her. And she conceived
Unlike the wretched daughter-in-law, now holed up as a double widow in her father's house waiting for the next son to grow up. Perhaps a family discussion, before or during a meal maybe, would be the place to described what happened to Onan and Er and find out what fixations had developed? Satan will resist that but by insisting and getting the whole family to make suggestions (referring to my gender list [linked above] or pointing to illustrations in newspapers & magazines) no doubt any embarrassment would be overcome and beatings less often required. The alternative, in accordance with Scripture, may need to be applied anyway but it's got to be worth a try.