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Default Re: (Jews...) Now: Peter Kropotkin's introduction thread - 11-25-2019, 04:15 AM

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Command economies work see the US in 1941-1945. See China 1979-present and the USSR 1945-1975. All grew faster and stronger than the US.
Sure, China keeps growing because it enslaves its workers - and it adopted key elements of capitalist system. Soviet Union was also growing on the back of slave labor, also known as gulags. Are you really sure that you want to advocate any of these two models? Worker exploitation, minimal to no wages, eternal threat of being sent to a gulag, complete disregard for the most basic human rights - that's your bright idea for a growing economy?

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The USSR didn’t collapse because any inherent flaw in the command economy that is fallacy. It failed because it mismanaged the economy. If the economy of the USSR didn’t fail to meet the populations needs over time in favor of the ruling class it would still be running the show.
One, mismanagement of the economy kinda goes hand in hand with command economy. It just doesn't work, because if people are getting the same amount of money whether they work a lot or whether they spend the whole workday poking their fingers inside their noses, there is no incentive to increase production. You know what provides an incentive to increase production? Bonuses that workers get under a capitalist system, where greater production -> greater reward. (Yes it is not a just system because bosses receive astronomically higher rewards, but it's still better than the communist model). In the Soviet block, young idealists who were able to see simple ways to increase effectiveness/productivity, and brought these ideas to their bosses, were met with blank stares and the same question: "Why bother?"

Two, yes the USSR did collapse because of the inherent flaw in its command economy: that is concentrating on the arms race and space race and generally keeping up appearances (such as absurd all-marble train stations) instead of improving lives of people. And the lack of respect for human lives general. You know, people who were alive in 1986 in the Soviet block thank God that the wind from Ukraine went north first, reaching Finland, which promptly sounded the alarm. If it flew just eastwards, we might not know about Chernobyl even today.

I get that you are too young to remember what communism was like, but that's no excuse for ignorance. There are books, you know.

You know what: do not trust books nor me. You should move to North Korea and taste a true communist system for yourself.

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The big failure of the USSR was Glasnost ... openness allowed people to see the historical screwing they were getting.
That was the Big Failure? Not the fact that the whole economy was failing, just the fact that the people were able to talk about it more-or-less openly?

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But, I would advocate a economy where the worker cooperatives (truly worker owned and managed) would determine their own business model within each business sector. Then people could choose between the various products made in the economy between these worker cooperatives.
And thousands of small co-ops show that this system works quite well within the capitalist system. Please note that the reason why co-ops work under a capitalist system, is that co-op members voluntarily join co-ops, weighing their pros and cons, and always having the possibility to opt out and start a separate private venture. The Polish PGR's failed because the govt took peoples' lands and forced them to join the co-ops, and the PGR members resented that and basically stole anything that was possible to unscrew.
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