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Default Christian and divorced? More like hellbound scum. - 04-02-2012, 07:05 PM

I have wanted to speak with you about a matter that has been weighing heavily on my heart now for the better part of two years.

We are good about pointing out sin when we see it like homosexuality, fornication before marriage and Obama trying to take away our gun rights, but there is grievous sin sitting in the pews of every church in America every Sunday.

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Christians, like adherents of other religions, have a divorce rate of about 42%.
All over the world so called Christians are getting divorced, remarrying and then they have the temerity to take Holy Communion?

I say shame on you. You think you can just pray this away and God will forgive you?
I want you to go get your Bible right this instant and see Matthew 5 verse 32

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Whoever remarries her causes her to commit adultery. Every day you live with that divorced woman you fornicate with, you are sending her to hell!

Next, I want you to turn to Matthew chapter 19 verses 3-12

3The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

This is the question the churches today are asking themselves just like the Pharisees did 2000 years ago. Jesus answered it then.

Why are we still asking this question?


4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Let no man put asunder. Oh, how they like to read those verses at weddings. Then, they completely ignore it when it comes to divorce time!

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Notice in Matt. 19, Jesus mentions men remarrying too. Every man who remarries is an adulterer in His eyes.

Jesus then goes on to make a suggestion what you should do if you are planning on getting a divorce to keep yourself from fornication and adultery.

11But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

That's right, heathen. Jesus would rather you have your testicles removed than divorce and remarry. How much more plainly can the LORD of Hosts put it to you?

Perhaps you think we should get with the times.
By repenting, I mean leave the floozy you have shacked up with. Every second you spend living in sin and adultery just makes the Lord madder and madder. It's no different than homosexuality. You must quit living in the sin of fornication and adultery before the Lord will forgive you.

Do you think God will forgive two fags who get married if they simply pray for a miraculous do over? Of course not!

It's the same thing with divorce and remarriage.

See James chapter 4. Please see verse 4.

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Just because some churches allow divorcees to give them money in exchange for their sweet lies of eternal paradise does not make it okay. We are not to be of this world!

Jesus even warns about people like you divorcees.

Matthew 15:7-9
Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


If you attend a church that allows divorce, who are you following? Is it Jesus' or man's teaching?

Jesus says nothing of homosexuality. Only Paul does in the New Testament. But Jesus does speak extensively of divorce.

Are you a hypocrite who is against homosexuality, but tolerant of divorce? I say except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish!

Praise Him.

Now go and sin no more!



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Default Re: We might as well allow queer marriage if we're going to allow divorce in the church. - 04-02-2012, 07:14 PM

But its OK for a man to divorce a woman who is unclean isn't it? That's why I got rid of my first one...

Deuteronomy 24:1
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

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Default Re: We might as well allow queer marriage if we're going to allow divorce in the church. - 04-02-2012, 07:25 PM

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But its OK for a man to divorce a woman who is unclean isn't it? That's why I got rid of my first one...

Deuteronomy 24:1
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Yours in Christ

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Well, no friend. Jesus speaks specifically against handing her a divorcement claiming that Moses only allowed it, "because of the hardness of your hearts." He goes on to say in Matt. 19 that from the beginning it was not like that.

I mean, it's not like Abraham ever got a divorce or left his son and concubine to die in the desert or anything. Abraham was a righteous and faithful man. He even offered his other son as a human sacrifice to God.


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Default Re: We might as well allow queer marriage if we're going to allow divorce in the church. - 04-02-2012, 07:33 PM

Thank-you Pastor, that makes things clear to me. It appears I owe my first wife an apology. If I ever see her again I will tell her that (amongst a lot of other things). Luckily my second wife is not unclean and so the problem should not re-occur.

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Default Re: We might as well allow queer marriage if we're going to allow divorce in the church. - 04-02-2012, 08:50 PM

Brother Levi, I'm glad you're bringing this to public attention. By their fruit we will know the True Christian™. (Matthew 7:16) No True Christian™ would ever find a loophole to the Holy Word of God just for their own convenience.


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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Default Re: We might as well allow queer marriage if we're going to allow divorce in the church. - 04-02-2012, 09:25 PM

Both of my whore ex-wives, being the intolerable unsaved bitches that they were, BOTH of them fornicated willy-nilly with every Tom, Dick, and Harry in town!*

I swear, before I was Saved©, I was such an idiot. Both of those skanks made such a fool out me!

I never thought of it this way before, but by spreading their cooters for who knows how many dudes, they made it so I could get married again without offending Jesus. If they'd been faithful unsaved, intolerable bitches, then I would never have been able to marry Naomi. So in a way, I'm thankful that I accidentally married two different insatiable, unsaved, nympho-whore intolerable bitches instead of two regular unsaved intolerable bitches.




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Default Re: Should we allow divorce in the church? NO! Jesus hates divorce. - 09-02-2012, 11:49 AM

Surely if a wife cannot provide good Christian babies for her husband that is grounds for divorce?
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Default Re: Should we allow divorce in the church? NO! Jesus hates divorce. - 09-02-2012, 05:28 PM

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Surely if a wife cannot provide good Christian babies for her husband that is grounds for divorce?
Surely you can back that up with Scripture.


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Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: Should we allow divorce in the church? NO! Jesus hates divorce. - 09-03-2012, 06:15 AM

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Surely you can back that up with Scripture.

I can go one better, let's have a look at you said in a post I was browsing:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=73875


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She's used up, time to move on and find a younger, healthier model.
I joined yesterday in the hope of meeting some fellow Christians but I'm getting a feeling of hostility from some members, shouldn't we all be praising Jesus together instead of attacking one another?
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I can go one better, let's have a look at you said in a post I was browsing:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=73875
That was for that particular situation. We advised him to feel free to look, but wait until she died.

You don't know how grim Rebekah's prognosis was. How dare you make light of cancer. You seem insensitive to the nth degree.

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I joined yesterday in the hope of meeting some fellow Christians but I'm getting a feeling of hostility from some members, shouldn't we all be praising Jesus together instead of attacking one another?
Well friend, perhaps you should consider why that is. You come in here making light of personal problems in an attempt to play gotcha games and you wonder why we seem slightly off kilter?


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Default Re: Should we allow divorce in the church? NO! Jesus hates divorce. - 09-03-2012, 06:35 AM

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http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=73875
The answer in that thread is not related to divorce, but what to do if your wife die.
So...

Can you please back up your original statement with scripture?


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Default Re: Should we allow divorce in the church? NO! Jesus hates divorce. - 09-03-2012, 10:23 AM

I didn't see anyone else offering condolences to the lady with cancer so not sure how I could be accused of being insensitive, you think Pastor Ezekiel's comment is sensitive to her feelings?

No I cannot back up my statement with scripture so I am wondering what to do? My neighbor is thinking of divorcing his wife as she cannot have kids, how do you think I should advise him?

He wants to bring up a christian family but it's a big dilemma for him.
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No I cannot back up my statement with scripture so I am wondering what to do? My neighbor is thinking of divorcing his wife as she cannot have kids, how do you think I should advise him?

He wants to bring up a christian family but it's a big dilemma for him.
I would say it's a lack of faith that they cannot conceive. If God can heal the sick, raise the dead and make the blind see, it would be a trivial matter to make your friend's wife pregnant. You just gotta believe and have faith like Abraham did when He made Sarah pregnant at age 90 or so.

As for my recommendation, I would reread the sermon and ask your friend WWJS?


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Default Re: Should we allow divorce in the church? NO! Jesus hates divorce. - 09-03-2012, 01:07 PM

Hmmm maybe you're right, I shall talk to him and find out if his faith is wavering, I hope I can sway him to the right path.
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I can't believe you stupid piffleing Christians!

Just because your 'authority' figures say something is true does not mean it is.

Ever heard of an argument from authority?

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Just because your 'authority' figures say something is true does not mean it is.
So you accept nothing on the basis of the authority or reports of others? You live in a world without a Higgs-Boson, where the written history of millennia is worthless, and the Associated Press and the National Enquirer have equal credibility -- none -- because it is only true if you personally saw it or thought of it?

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Hmmm maybe you're right, I shall talk to him and find out if his faith is wavering, I hope I can sway him to the right path.
You don't know the right path yourself. Where exactly do you think you would sway him?


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I didn't see anyone else offering condolences to the lady with cancer so not sure how I could be accused of being insensitive, you think Pastor Ezekiel's comment is sensitive to her feelings?

No I cannot back up my statement with scripture so I am wondering what to do? My neighbor is thinking of divorcing his wife as she cannot have kids, how do you think I should advise him?

He wants to bring up a christian family but it's a big dilemma for him.
I bet the thought of praying the demons out of her womb never even occurred to you people.



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Default Re: Christian and divorced? More like hellbound scum. - 02-03-2013, 06:49 AM

Praise God. This evangelist makes the case that Jesus is reaffirming only heterosexual marriage by quoting Matthew 19.



She is right of course, but she conveniently leaves out Jesus commandment against divorce.

I wrote this as a comment on her speech.

As long as you accept everything in Genesis as fact and you oppose allowing divorcees in the church, I can't see a single thing wrong with what she said.
As she pointed out, Jesus is quoting Genesis 2 right after God finished making woman from a rib. Let us not forget man was created first and God offered all the animals to him. Sadly, Adam didn't find any of them suitable to be a helpmeet to him, so God created woman from Adam's rib. You have to believe all of that, since Christ thought enough of the story to quote it about marriage and divorce.

Genesis 2:22-24
22 And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said,

“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”

24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.


Next, we have to take what Jesus is saying into context. You know how big we Christians are about context. In Matthew 19 Jesus is speaking about divorce. Many false Christians forget that when they quote this verse against the homos. They often times are sitting right next to people who are divorced and remarried. Heck, 40% of so called Christians are divorced.

Matthew 19:6b-9
‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” 8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

To conclude, if this woman believes she is made from a man's rib, after he turned down every other animal to be his servant, and as long as her church does not accept divorcees, she is 100% right.


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All over the world so called Christians are getting divorced, remarrying and then they have the temerity to take Holy Communion?
A woman in my church pursued an unbiblical divorce from her husband, who immediately initiated the process set out in Matthew 18.

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


She wouldn't listen to him (v15), so he told the church elders, who tried to dissuade her (16). Sadly, she would not repent. So the pastor announced to the congregation that she had been placed under church discipline in accordance with 1 Tim 5:20 and outlined the nature of her sin.

Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Of course, she was immediately suspended from the Lord's Table so that she wouldn't get sick and die in the meantime.

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28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.


But she thought she go to another church and take communion there. After a few months of this behavior she was diagnosed with cancer. The church elders made a last-ditch effort to get her to repent, telling her that she'd become sick because of her sin, but to no avail. She was excommunicated, and three months later she died.

Mat 18:17b-18 Tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

True story. So much for the liberals who think people can't die of communion nowadays. How anyone can have the temerity to get divorced and then partake the Lord's Supper in an unworthy manner, I don't know.


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