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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT! - 09-25-2018, 11:44 PM

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This is from the Bathfire Institute:
Wow, that's great! So simple even a child or woman could understand it!


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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT! - 09-25-2018, 11:46 PM

Yes I know but according to the flat earth it should always be above the earth just in a different spot so if you get about the clouds, building and everyday obstacles and with it being 500 miles over the flat earth it should still be visible.
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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT! - 09-26-2018, 12:38 AM

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Yes I know but according to the flat earth it should always be above the earth just in a different spot so if you get about the clouds, building and everyday obstacles and with it being 500 miles over the flat earth it should still be visible.
You are taking a really dangerous approach here, lady.
If you don't want to spend eternity in Hell, you ALWAYS have to start with the Bible, state that what it says is true, and then from that point start building a theory to prove what is in the Bible. That is how Creation Science works,.and it is the only God approved science.
So the Bible tell us there are four corners on the Earth. That means, a flat square. Bathfire's educational map shows a circle only to make a first approach. The point to make is the Earth is flat.
Then you can start building from there, and when something contradicts your theory, it is a conspiracy.
It is either a conspiracy or the Bible is bullshit. As the latter is impossible, the first should be.


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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT! - 09-26-2018, 01:35 AM

Brother Gonzalez first off I'm not lady at all I'm a man. Second off I whole heartedly believe in the Bible and dont want to disprove it and I'm not using science I'm using my own eyes and what I know to be true. Tell me in the Bible where does it state a "flat" earth? The firmament can surround a globe just as easily. And I for sure will not be spending eternity in hell at all.
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Tell me in the Bible where does it state a "flat" earth?
You cannot see the whole earth from any single vantage point unless it is flat:
Job 24:24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;

A sphere does not have ends - but a flat earth does:
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

A sphere does not need a foundation - but a flat earth does:
Psalm 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

A sphere does not have corners - but a flat earth does:
Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
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Second off I whole heartedly believe in the Bible and dont want to disprove it and I'm not using science I'm using my own eyes and what I know to be true.
Praise Jesus! We've pinpointed your problem! "You're using your own eyes". Herein lies the trouble. Both secular science and the Bible agree (for once) that our perception is flawed and unreliable.

Isaiah 66:4
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

By doubting God's Creation, He releases His anger upon you and this is manifested in delusions. Your eyewitness testimony, as well as that of the artificial intelligences that we call appareil-de-photos are based on delusions. I know, I also "see" the roundness of the Earth but as I trust God and Jesus more than I trust myself, I ignore those attempts to distract me from the path of righteousness.

Doubting God's Creative ability AND His cunning method of sending delusions (apprently through the Holy Spirit) do lead people into Hell, especially based on Matthew 12:31. Be very careful.

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Tell me in the Bible where does it state a "flat" earth? The firmament can surround a globe just as easily. And I for sure will not be spending eternity in hell at all.
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You cannot see the whole earth from any single vantage point unless it is flat:
Job 24:24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;

A sphere does not have ends - but a flat earth does:
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

A sphere does not need a foundation - but a flat earth does:
Psalm 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

A sphere does not have corners - but a flat earth does:
Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Wonderful verses, as always, Sister in Christ! If I may, I'd like to add an observation about the True™ nature of the Universe. God Created this Earth with its Firmament (Genesis 1:6) as a bubble universe in the midst of waters. There is water above the Firmament making the sky blue, and below it. Let's see:



As you can see, this air bubble takes the from of a half-sphere! Could this be the reason why billions take the Earth to me a whole sphere? As it is difficult to perceice the pillars from above the ground, people imagine the second half of the shpere by delusions. Simultaneously, they mix up the semisphere of the air-filled part of the Universe with the solid substance that is flat. The corners will still have to be fitted in somehow, obviously. Such a rousing conversation. Let us pray that we've now helped this poor sinner see the Light that is Jesus (John 1:4).


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Rebuke Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT! - 09-26-2018, 03:58 AM

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Experiment 2) Mass - while the balloon is much bigger it doesnt have enough mass to produce a gravitational pull on the price of paper. There are different ranges of gravity do to different conditions on different planets.
I still have to assess this claim by our Sinner in Recidence as it shows clearly one of the obsessions of the secular world. Money.
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it doesnt have enough mass to produce a gravitational pull on the price of paper.
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

You claim that you trust the Bible, yet you're worried about how the imaginary power of gravity (where is the graviton, I'm only asking, and the whispers of stuff that they apparently hear with the LIGO apparatus from the Black Hole that is Hell are not too convincing, are they?) affects paper prices! We obey 1 Timothy 6:10 and donate our funds to our beloved Pastor Ezekiel and to the Trump 2020 campaign. Our Faith is so much more than the financials of pulp and paper mills!


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Sorry Joanna for the typo it was supposed to be cant be possible. Sorry I didnt read all the posts there.
Friend, if you refuse to read all the facts, how can you know the Truth©?
I used to have a neighbor, Jimmy Hilt. The guy never bothered to read everything in front of him. He'd glance at things, think he 'knew it all' and off he'd go. He got a big table saw. Read the warning 'Do not remove guards'. So he ignored the first few words and removed the guards. Lost his right hand and his arm was caught in the machine for a few hours until his wife found him. I bought the machine from him for next to nothing. Once I had all the ground up flesh and bone removed from it and the guards reinstalled, it works good as new.
He also only glances at the Bible. Thinks he knows it all. It is obvious from his day to day actions, he has no idea. The thing is, he will not find this out until it is too late and he is in Hell. Not having a hand, just a mangled stub, he knew he made a mistake but he did not learn from it. Do not sail to the ends of the Earth and fall over into the fires of Hell.
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Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT! - 09-26-2018, 12:29 PM

Ok Elmer it was a typo it was supposed to be piece of paper. But hey whatever and if I'm wrong and a sinner for using my own eyes for what I see and experience the so is the pastor for the experiments that he performed cause he didnt use any Bible verses. But it is ok you know God could have made the Bible vague to test our faith and our willingness to learn and search for him. And the Original text has been translated and reinterpreted for years and it possible that they could have translated it wrong.
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And the Original text has been translated and reinterpreted for years and it possible that they could have translated it wrong.
How?! Please, provide us with something more tangible than "it is possible that they could"? Let us see. Let us take one verse, the one that tells us that there are waters above and below and that our world is just a hemispherical bubble. Genesis 1:6
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

In the original Hebrew it goes as follows:
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים יְהִ֥י רָקִ֖יעַ בְּתֹ֣וךְ הַמָּ֑יִם וִיהִ֣י מַבְדִּ֔יל בֵּ֥ין מַ֖יִם לָמָֽיִם׃

Now, the pivotal words are obviously "between" and "waters from waters". Between is in Hebrew בְּת֣וֹךְ. There is absolutely no ambiguity here. It derives from the masc. noun תָּ֫וֶך (midst) preceded by the common preposition בְּ, "in". If we cannot decipher the meanings of these two very common words, then we would have to admit that we do not understand anything about the OT. Next verse is crucial when it comes to waters above and below.

Genesis 1:7
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

In Hebrew:
וַיַּ֣עַשׂ אֱלֹהִים֮ אֶת־הָרָקִיעַ֒ וַיַּבְדֵּ֗ל בֵּ֤ין הַמַּ֙יִם֙ אֲשֶׁר֙ מִתַּ֣חַת לָרָקִ֔יעַ וּבֵ֣ין הַמַּ֔יִם אֲשֶׁ֖ר מֵעַ֣ל לָרָקִ֑יעַ וַֽיְהִי־כֵֽן׃
  • Under - מִתַּ֣חַת, no ambiguities
  • Above - מֵעַ֣ל, no ambiguities
  • Firmament - לָרָקִ֑יעַ here the word רָקִיעַ֒, Firmament, is combined with the proposition לָ, to.
Verily, no ambiguities, this world was Created by making a safe, dry place between two layers of water. If you deny that, you deny that the Bible is correct. In that case, where else is it incorrect? Regarding John 3:16? Resurrection? It is possible that they could have translated those wrong and Jesus never rose from the dead, isn't it? And all this is taking place in the past, as we can see from the verbs.
  • It was - וַֽיְהִי־, please pay attention to the "waw" or וַֽ that makes this consecutive imperfect. It is the most common verb form in classical Hebrews related to narration in the past tense.
I see no strong indications of "it being possible that they could have translated it wrong." Please, if you see any problems here or in any verse that I quoted, try to make a serious claim about it. Compare the KJV text to the Leningrad Codex. Pinpoint the errors or ambiguities of translation. At the moment, you're simply making unsubstantiated assertions once again based on your "own personal feeling as evidence". Many things are "possible" and it is "possible!" that the translators got it wrong, but is it plausible? What is the statistical probability that they "got it wrong" regarding these verses? Be specific! Unless you do that, it is clear what God was talking about in the verse below:

2 Timothy 4:3
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Very good Elmer I will do some research of my own and get back to you.
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Very good Elmer I will do some research of my own and get back to you.
What you are actually trying to say here is something like: "I will stop talking on this subject and move on to the next." I am saying this because a few days ago you promised to get back to me in this thread, and since then you moved on to the next subject on which you needed to be schooled.
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Um no I'm saying I will research it and get back to you.
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How much men could spare themselves the sufferings of sin if only they were determined to first read the Holy Bible, rather than only after they become desperate.

What a shame science teaches paranoia and self-centeredness. It appeals to the sin nature so well and people are just willing dupes of Satan, eagerly signing up to fight in his army of doom and destruction.

Oh well. They shall get what they deserve, and I shall stand with my Savior and laugh and laugh (Psalms 2:4)!


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Um no I'm saying I will research it and get back to you.
But even before you do that, you will go to the Introduction Forum and create a thread in which you introduce yourself, right?




Because, you know, it's kind of polite to do what you were asked to do when you signed up. And people like to know who they're talking to.



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Um no I'm saying I will research it and get back to you.
Sure.
I imagine you want an FBI investigation and to manage the questions and approve the answers as well.


Friend, all the research has been done. Don't you think in 2,000 years that every question that could be asked, has already been? Or do you believe the entire existence of mankind has been waiting for you to tell them?


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Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Because, you know, it's kind of polite to do what you were asked to do when you signed up. And people like to know who they're talking to.

Then would the administrator of this website please change my screen name back to FatZ2018 and remove the unsaved trash label as well, because that is fairly rude as well.
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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT! - 10-24-2018, 03:02 PM

Brother Jim,

Thank you for these amazing experiments these will help me to homeschool my two 20 year old boys. How i use to explain that the secular science that everyone else is taught is wrong is by explaining one good reason to why the earth is flat can be explained through the physics of water. Because water is a liquid and gravity exists water fills up a hole or diet in the ground until it is full to the brim. When it fills such objects the water fills it until it is flat. If the earth is flat (which it is) the water would be flat at the top of the place it is filling. This process holds true for oceans, seas and lakes. Some of those globetards might ask for evidence, so I present to you the Bedford level experiment. During the initial experiments Samuel Rowbotham placed a telescope 8 inches above the water line to watch a boat with a white flag on its mast 3 feet above the water. If the water was curved, the boat (after 6 miles) would have been 11 feet under Samuel's line of sight. However since the world is not curved the boat remained in Rowbotham's line of sight.
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Brother Jim,

Thank you for these amazing experiments these will help me to homeschool my two 20 year old boys. How i use to explain that the secular science that everyone else is taught is wrong is by explaining one good reason to why the earth is flat can be explained through the physics of water. Because water is a liquid and gravity exists water fills up a hole or diet in the ground until it is full to the brim. When it fills such objects the water fills it until it is flat. If the earth is flat (which it is) the water would be flat at the top of the place it is filling. This process holds true for oceans, seas and lakes. Some of those globetards might ask for evidence, so I present to you the Bedford level experiment. During the initial experiments Samuel Rowbotham placed a telescope 8 inches above the water line to watch a boat with a white flag on its mast 3 feet above the water. If the water was curved, the boat (after 6 miles) would have been 11 feet under Samuel's line of sight. However since the world is not curved the boat remained in Rowbotham's line of sight.
(cough) or if your view was down a slope built up at one end (like a hill) so the flow was down (from the hill) or up (if you looked back up the hill) so you need to show which way the boat moved and WHY it moved


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